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On August 06 2010 03:39 PanoRaMa wrote:
His grasp and understanding of zen and logical strategy/execution would make him a terrific poker player. His entire mentality eerily matches one of the best online players in the game in fact. Silver if you read this, feel free to pm me I'd be happy to discuss and teach you poker free of charge (I am a mid-stakes consistent winner with a primary focus on those traits mentioned above).
haha I was thinking the same thing, when he said he quit wc3 in 2006 and played like civilization, I'm like why not play poker you seem totally fit for it xD
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On August 06 2010 02:04 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 01:59 GeorgeForeman wrote:
I don't get how you can complain about Silver's lack of scouting without taking Idra to task for the same thing. Scans cost the T ~280 mineral. That's nearly 3 overlords. zerg must play responsively early game, only aggressive options are terrible allins that are easily prevented and its clear theyre coming before the scv scout is even dead. terran has 20 completely different viable 1 base builds, all of which can kill you if you arent properly prepared. that in itself isnt imbalanced, but when they all require different counters and theres no reliable way to know which hes doing, it is a problem.
You should know with ur backround idra anyway that there's never 1 build that's going to counter everything, there is always gonna be some sort of gamble in a game so you just have to make what you think is the right play with the information you manage to have, I agree TvZ might be imbalanced on certain map but I don't think the race has to be blamed, maps shud be
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On August 06 2010 02:25 IdrA wrote:
like i said its not solely that they have too many options, its that they have alot of options and its not really possible to know what theyre doing, and there is no all purpose defensive build. and its not just that zergs havent thought of one, terran strategies require such diverse counters that you're never gonna be able to be totally safe.
as for zerg aggression no, i dont think its gonna happen unless theres big changes. wallin+repair+bunkers and terran's range advantage means that you're never just gonna be able to overpower them cuz of a build advantage or something, you actually have to catch them completely off guard. and roach or baneling based rushes are not hard to scout, have similar responses anyway. basically if t sees you on one base, which you cant prevent, they make a thick wall and put a bunker behind it and theyre completely safe. the fact that you're on one base means that even with that extra money spent on defense theyll be fine economically. only options zerg has are map specific, like blistering's back door.
Here's IdrA giving a fairly good assessment of Zerg's difficulty (or Terran's unreasonable defensive strength). On any map with a choke and cliff for your main base and no back door (and back door rocks are dumb as hell, if it requires a map-specific thing like this--an entrance which can't be walled off--to give Z even a chance at aggression, I'd argue that the rocks are what killed you, not the Zerg), what is any Zerg supposed to do to be aggressive? I really want to know the answers. I play T and everything IdrA says here meshes with my experiences and demonstrates why Z is simply at a disadvantage attacking Terran. I feel that the onus is on Terran to lose games rather than on Protoss or Zerg to win them. I felt the same way watching Flash play in BW.
IdrA's not one of my favorite players (no offense buddy) and I don't think he's the be-all end-all and shouldn't be losing, but it's very clear that Terran has a defensive, offensive, and scouting advantage. There is a limit to the number of lings that can hit the structures at a standard wall-in choke, and it takes half as many SCVs repairing to negate their damage. This alone shuts down most early aggression, even without a bunker. Meanwhile, the lings are dying because Terran units are ranged. There's also no limit to the number of lings that can get skullfucked by Tanks while trying to break down that one depot. Banelings are an option, technically, but without the speed upgrade, you'll lose 40% or more of them before they reach anything, due to tanks. If you rush Banelings out quickly enough to preempt siege tanks, you won't have the tech necessary to follow through before you're in danger of getting rolled by MM, and marauders can soak 9 banelings apiece. Fast stimpak lets you scoot&shoot to kill the banelings with marines alone. When is a well-played Terran vulnerable?
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Would adding OL speed as a 50/50 upgrade at hatch tech alleviate alot of this? It would allow for easy scouting against a walled in Terran and wouldn't really change the game too much for the Terran player.
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Never posted before, felt like a good time :-)
I really liked this interview, Silver seems really grounded with good intrapersonal skills. Which he is using to improve his game/strategies. Well done!
For people saying idra "should" have won because of blah blah blah
Who cares, in a "real" fight you dont have the option of moaning about imba etc, and if you do stop to think about that you will probably hit the floor a lot quicker.
If said pro gamers are so 1337 and god like then they should use those skill to figure out ways to beat people like Silver.
Imo some people here should study the Art of War by Sun Tzu, you might learn a thing or two.
Peace
Ninjah
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i find it funny that all these unknown up and comers are all terran. Sure the kid beat qxc and huk but IdrA himself can beat them and is on a whole other level.
Look at the interview is ridiculous !! he basically cheesed wc3 ladder with random but it doesn't work on pros because skill > cheese in wc3. Also lol at the wanna be zen master hahaha
He only plays half the game anyways "a great general's objective is to mystify, mislead and surprise. Terran is the race that best allows me to do this." He does his builds which take the "strategic thought" of battlecraft and if his rock papper scissors strats doesn't work oh well he doesn't need to practice. I wish i was as smart as this guy but i only have a degree in applied math from uc berkeley while this guy is prolly a history major without a career and massive debt. If only i had the insight to think... IdrA likes go to ling muta because i saw him do it in a replay. Hmm lemme think..... Hellions make zerglings useless and hmm what about the mutas. If only there was a hard counter unit that made mutas useless... o wait there is thors! Then i can see if my rock papper scissor strat works! Oh no IdrA scouted me and went an incredible clever roach baneling build if only there were units i build that had the same infrastructure as thors and hellions... hmmm tanks! Playing Civilization has made me a genius at this game!
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Get this man in HDH Invitational.
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I know Im just a noob and IdrA probably wont read this, but Idra, if Terran is so imbalanced why not switch to it for a while? Putting up a 87% winrate on ladder shows blizz that obviously its not too imbalanced.
Its kinda hard to say "Im at a disadvantage every game against terran" and put up wins practically in the triple digits while your losses are in the single digits. I mean, if you can give it like a month and raise your Win Rate to 95% with Terran, I think your words will have ALOT more support. I dont disagree with what you are saying now, but its just logic. Saying one thing and showing the other practically says "My point is moot".
Another note, I know the balance doesnt really work so black and white, but like I said, winning 90% of your games and saying the race you are playing is weak, its hard to take it seriously, even if the points are completely valid, the wins gotta come some way right?
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On August 06 2010 04:20 Chained wrote:
I know Im just a noob and IdrA probably wont read this, but Idra, if Terran is so imbalanced why not switch to it for a while? Putting up a 87% winrate on ladder shows blizz that obviously its not too imbalanced.
Its kinda hard to say "Im at a disadvantage every game against terran" and put up wins practically in the triple digits while your losses are in the single digits. I mean, if you can give it like a month and raise your Win Rate to 95% with Terran, I think your words will have ALOT more support. I dont disagree with what you are saying now, but its just logic. Saying one thing and showing the other practically says "My point is moot".
Another note, I know the balance doesnt really work so black and white, but like I said, winning 90% of your games and saying the race you are playing is weak, its hard to take it seriously, even if the points are completely valid, the wins gotta come some way right?
Theres a thing called skill by the way. Skill can overcome imbalance partially espically on the US server where no offense the majority of players are terrible.
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its funny how he said its just logic when he was oblivious to the fact that diamond players are casuals and idra is a pro
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On August 06 2010 04:15 llortyag wrote:
I wish i was as smart as this guy but i only have a degree in applied math from uc berkeley while this guy is prolly a history major without a career and massive debt.
What the hell was that???
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On August 06 2010 04:26 Fayth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 04:15 llortyag wrote:
I wish i was as smart as this guy but i only have a degree in applied math from uc berkeley while this guy is prolly a history major without a career and massive debt.
What the hell was that???
sarcasm
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pretty lame thing to say imo
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On August 06 2010 04:23 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 04:20 Chained wrote:
I know Im just a noob and IdrA probably wont read this, but Idra, if Terran is so imbalanced why not switch to it for a while? Putting up a 87% winrate on ladder shows blizz that obviously its not too imbalanced.
Its kinda hard to say "Im at a disadvantage every game against terran" and put up wins practically in the triple digits while your losses are in the single digits. I mean, if you can give it like a month and raise your Win Rate to 95% with Terran, I think your words will have ALOT more support. I dont disagree with what you are saying now, but its just logic. Saying one thing and showing the other practically says "My point is moot".
Another note, I know the balance doesnt really work so black and white, but like I said, winning 90% of your games and saying the race you are playing is weak, its hard to take it seriously, even if the points are completely valid, the wins gotta come some way right? Theres a thing called skill by the way. Skill can overcome imbalance partially espically on the US server where no offense the majority of players are terrible.
Thats why I said I know balance isnt black and white. I know idra is very talented, but if Terran truly is a better race, his skill (over a period of time for practice) should get him a better win rate. If a baseball player can hit the ball 500 feet with a wooden bat, then they should be able to hit the ball further with a metal bat. (pretty sure metal hits further lol, but I think you get what I mean)
Also, I know about "play styles" but if thats true, then it takes a certain style to play terran which to me doesnt scream imbalance...
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On August 06 2010 04:28 Fayth wrote:
pretty lame thing to say imo
fine i'll rephrase it baby.
Silver is not smart, nor do any of his actions reflect that he is.
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On August 06 2010 04:32 llortyag wrote:fine i'll rephrase it baby. Silver is not smart, nor do any of his actions reflect that he is.
I'm not sure if your opinion matters anymore, considering you seem to judge intelligence based on major and finances!
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On August 06 2010 04:35 huameng wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 04:32 llortyag wrote:On August 06 2010 04:28 Fayth wrote:
pretty lame thing to say imo fine i'll rephrase it baby. Silver is not smart, nor do any of his actions reflect that he is. I'm not sure if your opinion matters anymore, considering you seem to judge intelligence based on major and finances!
I guess i am just evil. When i see a homeless person who doesn't have a high school diploma it just doesn't scream intelligence to me. Especially when said hobo believes that not being nervous when playing makes you one of the top 5 players in sc2
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On August 05 2010 13:24 OHtRUe wrote:
No offense, but this proves that theres something wrong with the game. This guy shouldn't 2-0 IdrA with his gaming history and his whole philosophy of the game. I feel incredibly bad for IdrA for choosing zerg because if he played Terran i doubt he would lose a game.
CJ Entus PROGAMER who played pro level SC BW and plays 10 hours of SC2 gets 2-0'd by pretty much by a casual who references a confederate general for his SC play......
he also beat Huk and QXC
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llortyag: lolumad?
I dunno if you're an IdrA fanboy or something, but to rage all over this kid and tangential aspects like random degrees is a bit strange, especially considering the huge jump from "omg, a certain degree" to "you're a homeless bum!!!!!!!111." So let me get this straight, you're considering him untelligent based on an imaginary major/imaginary position that you're pretending that he has ("while this guy is prolly a history major without a career and massive deb"t)?
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On August 05 2010 13:56 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 13:48 Defeat wrote:On August 05 2010 13:24 OHtRUe wrote:
No offense, but this proves that theres something wrong with the game. This guy shouldn't 2-0 IdrA with his gaming history and his whole philosophy of the game. I feel incredibly bad for IdrA for choosing zerg because if he played Terran i doubt he would lose a game.
CJ Entus PROGAMER who played pro level SC BW and plays 10 hours of SC2 gets 2-0'd by pretty much by a casual who references a confederate general for his SC play...... I don't think it proves anything other than IdrA wasn't ready for him. IdrA probably had no background knowledge of him or his play style SC2 is still really new and no single person will know how to fend of everything. OT: Good interview. Hope to see more from Silver in the future. I guess IdrA isnt used to all in 2 base pushes and cliff drops. Sc2 is 5 months old with 10 years of broodwar experiance. This guy plays 10 hours a day you dont think he doesn't know how to fend off these things off? There is a distinct possibillity that GASPPPP there is no reasonable counter....
and yet he beat QXC 3-0 last week
Idra played badly, get over it.
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