National ESL: Get DETONATED - The Silver Interview

On August 05 2010 13:15 koppik wrote:
Wow, Silver is sounds like a really smart player.

On August 05 2010 13:15 koppik wrote:
Wow, Silver is sounds like a really smart player.

On August 05 2010 13:30 Slipspace wrote:
i like how he wasn't disrespectful to IdrA

Idra, you're an awesome player. no need for bad manners when you lose occasionally

On August 05 2010 13:24 Backpack wrote:
So Silver is in-fact male!

On August 05 2010 13:24 OHtRUe wrote:
No offense, but this proves that theres something wrong with the game. This guy shouldn't 2-0 IdrA with his gaming history and his whole philosophy of the game. I feel incredibly bad for IdrA for choosing zerg because if he played Terran i doubt he would lose a game.

CJ Entus PROGAMER who played pro level SC BW and plays 10 hours of SC2 gets 2-0'd by pretty much by a casual who references a confederate general for his SC play......

On August 05 2010 13:36 OHtRUe wrote:

No he has his right to rage because this is his living and his career. If you were naturally disadvantaged at what you work at for a living would you just stay good mannered? You could compare IdrA to a 5 foot bball player who is extremely skilled and Silver (and any terran for that matter) to a 7 foot bball player who is a weekend warrior. Theres no reason why he shouldn't be upset.

On August 05 2010 13:36 OHtRUe wrote:
You could compare IdrA to a 5 foot bball player who is extremely skilled and Silver (and any terran for that matter) to a 7 foot bball player who is a weekend warrior. Theres no reason why he shouldn't be upset.

On August 05 2010 13:24 OHtRUe wrote:
No offense, but this proves that theres something wrong with the game. This guy shouldn't 2-0 IdrA with his gaming history and his whole philosophy of the game. I feel incredibly bad for IdrA for choosing zerg because if he played Terran i doubt he would lose a game.

CJ Entus PROGAMER who played pro level SC BW and plays 10 hours of SC2 gets 2-0'd by pretty much by a casual who references a confederate general for his SC play......

On August 05 2010 13:44 G2Wolf wrote:


You mean studying a ton of sc2 games, practicing, knowing what counters what, having a strategy and adapting it, playing an opponent's weaknesses, and keeping calm and collected and not going on tilt during a match isn't the right philosophy?

Also, he's beaten HuK (P) and QXC (T), 2 other King of the Beta players. I suppose that makes T OP against T also?

On August 05 2010 13:46 iEchoic wrote:


And he's still not a professional. Being a professional means acting like a professional. If you don't act like a professional, you're not one. This applies to every field in life, even fields where you can hide yourself behind a computer.

As time goes on, new talent is going to emerge. It's funny to see people upset when new players play well. Props to Silver.

On August 05 2010 13:48 Defeat wrote:

I don't think it proves anything other than IdrA wasn't ready for him. IdrA probably had no background knowledge of him or his play style SC2 is still really new and no single person will know how to fend of everything.

OT: Good interview. Hope to see more from Silver in the future.

On August 05 2010 13:52 OHtRUe wrote:

What kind of arguement is that? You dont think that IdrA does that also? The fact is there is no counter to his "gameplan" (which is trash by the way, which has been shown throughout is vods) is the problem. Also adapting to what strategy? He didn't adapt to anything he just did his rofl push where there is nothing that zerg could possibly do. Throughout each of his games HE DIDNT SCOUT ONCE, NOT ONE SCAN ON THE ZERGS BASE. Calm and collected? What do you think IdrA was doing this whole match? On the fritz hurling over his computer having like 4 monsters beside him? Please kid get an arguement~

Also HuK gave him the series (which by the way was GARBAGE) and what do you mean T is OP against T? Im saying T is overpowered against zerg WHICH IS TRUE. Look at tournament rankings, ladder rankings, ANYTHING and tell me that zerg isnt underpowered. Good day sir

On August 05 2010 14:01 iEchoic wrote:


Uh, have you watched sports? Sports stars almost always act professional after games. Go head to NBA.com and watch some of the post-season press interviews. You always hear "the other team played well, we didn't execute down the stretch", etc etc.

I'm not getting in a ZvT balance discussion with you, that is so tired and pathetic.

On August 05 2010 14:11 fabiano wrote:



You missed a zero, more like 50000, being 49000 cheering against idra haha.

IdrA always pick the "hardest" race to play, T in BW and Z in SC2, he sure likes to suffer.

On August 05 2010 14:18 RandomBS wrote:
Wow, this ohtrue guy is incredibly angry, you'd think it was him who got smashed by a "nobody". I mean really, triple posting? Idra lost, in fact he got destroyed, no reason to cry over it. HuK "gave" him the series? Lol, get a life kid.

I've seen you post in other threads and all you do is whine about zerg as well. Please, no one wants to see your teenage angst on TL.

On August 05 2010 13:46 iEchoic wrote:


And he's still not a professional. Being a professional means acting like a professional. If you don't act like a professional, you're not one. This applies to every field in life, even fields where you can hide yourself behind a computer.

As time goes on, new talent is going to emerge. It's funny to see people upset when new players play well. Props to Silver.

On August 05 2010 14:24 OHtRUe wrote:

Oh yes im raging, im punching my keyboard in frustration due to idra losing this series!!!!! But really no im not angry im more frustrated that this community is constantly pointing out the same terrible points with no logical merit inside of them and instead of trying to help blizzard improving the game were just turtling into a shell and defending the game because there cant be anything wrong with this game......

To put in blunt terms were accepting a non finished mediocre game which we have been waiting for 10 years after playing a masterpiece. We shouldn't be accepting this we should be giving criticism and actually trying to help improve the balance of the game.

On August 05 2010 14:32 travis wrote:


well there is a difference between constructive criticism and complaining about things (when you may or may not be right) over and over and over, and in places where it's not even helpful to be complaining about it. lots of people would just rather work with what they have and not make excuses.

On August 05 2010 13:36 OHtRUe wrote:

No he has his right to rage because this is his living and his career. If you were naturally disadvantaged at what you work at for a living would you just stay good mannered? You could compare IdrA to a 5 foot bball player who is extremely skilled and Silver (and any terran for that matter) to a 7 foot bball player who is a weekend warrior. Theres no reason why he shouldn't be upset.

On August 05 2010 14:42 OHtRUe wrote:

It's not an excuse if it has a valid point supporting it by the way. To properly phrase what you said would more be like " lots of people would just rather work with what they have and fight an uphill battle"

If i posted constructive criticism I would most likely get flamed for being Zerg biased or that because Blizzard is a game designer they have more knowledge in balance suggestions and gameplay then me (which is BS by the way)

I could post a masterpiece about game balance and why zerg is underpowered, but then again why would it be worth it if people are just going to just dismiss it because again SC2 is perfect~

On August 05 2010 13:56 OHtRUe wrote:

I guess IdrA isnt used to all in 2 base pushes and cliff drops. Sc2 is 5 months old with 10 years of broodwar experiance. This guy plays 10 hours a day you dont think he doesn't know how to fend off these things off? There is a distinct possibillity that GASPPPP there is no reasonable counter....

On August 05 2010 16:03 Lazix wrote:
wow this silver guy seems really talented, and the fact he 2-0 idra and... oh wait, he plays Terran?

Nevermind.

On August 05 2010 13:24 OHtRUe wrote:
No offense, but this proves that theres something wrong with the game. This guy shouldn't 2-0 IdrA with his gaming history and his whole philosophy of the game. I feel incredibly bad for IdrA for choosing zerg because if he played Terran i doubt he would lose a game.

CJ Entus PROGAMER who played pro level SC BW and plays 10 hours of SC2 gets 2-0'd by pretty much by a casual who references a confederate general for his SC play......

On August 05 2010 17:40 crappen wrote:
Clarification: Being polite is the same as not showing emotions.

Can we please accept that IdrA rages and speak his mind? If Silver takes IdrA's talk serious, he is the one having the problem. I am sure however, that Silver is too wise to take the "attack" (which we all know is not an attack, but a human defense mechanism from IdrA) personally.

Let people rage, and lets stop being polite and instead not take the emotions the other player omit as an attack on you.

On August 05 2010 16:47 MythicalMage wrote:
Just the way he talks is awesome. That wasn't translated or anything was it?

On August 05 2010 13:46 iEchoic wrote:


And he's still not a professional. Being a professional means acting like a professional. If you don't act like a professional, you're not one. This applies to every field in life, even fields where you can hide yourself behind a computer.

As time goes on, new talent is going to emerge. It's funny to see people upset when new players play well. Props to Silver.

On August 05 2010 18:34 Apolo wrote:
Does silver know what "ego" means? If Idra's ego collapsed he'd have to go to a mental institute with severe psychosis.

I agree with Idra on some points, he plays for a living, that's his job. His frustration is because he believes a random guy that doesn't put half the effort he has put on the game, comes from nowhere and beats him because of racial imbalance.

Silver unsconsciously admitted terran is better when he said the reasons why terran fit his style. Revert back the protoss nerfs, and you'd see protoss fit his style as well.

On August 05 2010 16:12 Anfere wrote:
Humm just saw the games vs Idra, he really used Terran to it's fullest and totally destroyed Idra. I'm a zerg player myself, and all zergs playing at top diamond know that on LT, it's really dangerous to Expand so fast vs Terran due to that Tank clif drop.

The best example of play is Dimaga who always delay his expansion and takes directly the gold after some early harass. As for the game on metalopolis, Idra really didn't have anything, he committed so much into mutalisk even when the guy had like 4 thors, wich is pretty stupid. The basic roach/baneling force would of cleaned that push so easily instead of using all the resources to get muta's vs their perfect counter. I mean you can rage when you have the good unit composition and still loose, but when you have a totally idiotic unit mix that will loose 100% because it is facing it's direct counter, why insult the guy ?

Well he raged but in the end, he played really poorly and lost not to Terrans being imbalance, but to himself being a total ass not managing his temper and stubbornness, plus some poor decision making under pressure.

Again GG Silver.

On August 05 2010 18:41 MythicalMage wrote:

That's implying a hell of a lot. He just said that he liked the ability to surprise his opponent with Terran. You can do that with any race, but he liked Terrans options for creativity best.

On August 05 2010 18:45 Apolo wrote:


Yes you can surprise your oponent with any race. Just rush all the workers to his base and you'll surprise him.

On August 05 2010 18:34 Apolo wrote:
Does silver know what "ego" means? If Idra's ego collapsed he'd have to go to a mental institute with severe psychosis.

On August 05 2010 18:45 Apolo wrote:
Yes you can surprise your oponent with any race. Just rush all the workers to his base and you'll surprise him.

On August 05 2010 19:01 Zalfor wrote:
if idra loses, its his fault.

don't argue that Z is too poor of a race. if so, then don't play Z. it's his choice to play Z, and thus he loses fair and square.

On August 05 2010 18:34 Apolo wrote:
Does silver know what "ego" means? If Idra's ego collapsed he'd have to go to a mental institute with severe psychosis.

I agree with Idra on some points, he plays for a living, that's his job. His frustration is because he believes a random guy that doesn't put half the effort he has put on the game, comes from nowhere and beats him because of racial imbalance.

Silver unsconsciously admitted terran is better when he said the reasons why terran fit his style. Revert back the protoss nerfs, and you'd see protoss fit his style as well.

On August 05 2010 16:12 Anfere wrote:
As for the game on metalopolis, Idra really didn't have anything, he committed so much into mutalisk even when the guy had like 4 thors, wich is pretty stupid. The basic roach/baneling force would of cleaned that push so easily instead of using all the resources to get muta's vs their perfect counter. I mean you can rage when you have the good unit composition and still loose, but when you have a totally idiotic unit mix that will loose 100% because it is facing it's direct counter, why insult the guy ?
Again GG Silver.

On August 05 2010 18:41 MythicalMage wrote:

That's implying a hell of a lot. He just said that he liked the ability to surprise his opponent with Terran. You can do that with any race, but he liked Terrans options for creativity best.

On August 05 2010 13:52 OHtRUe wrote:

What kind of arguement is that? You dont think that IdrA does that also? The fact is there is no counter to his "gameplan" (which is trash by the way, which has been shown throughout is vods) is the problem. Also adapting to what strategy? He didn't adapt to anything he just did his rofl push where there is nothing that zerg could possibly do. Throughout each of his games HE DIDNT SCOUT ONCE, NOT ONE SCAN ON THE ZERGS BASE. Calm and collected? What do you think IdrA was doing this whole match? On the fritz hurling over his computer having like 4 monsters beside him? Please kid get an arguement~

Also HuK gave him the series (which by the way was GARBAGE) and what do you mean T is OP against T? Im saying T is overpowered against zerg WHICH IS TRUE. Look at tournament rankings, ladder rankings, ANYTHING and tell me that zerg isnt underpowered. Good day sir

On August 05 2010 23:00 nam nam wrote:


If you are going to rage you can at least get your facts straight. He DID scan, which he even said in the interview...

On August 05 2010 17:40 crappen wrote:
Clarification: Being polite is the same as not showing emotions.

Can we please accept that IdrA rages and speak his mind? If Silver takes IdrA's talk serious, he is the one having the problem. I am sure however, that Silver is too wise to take the "attack" (which we all know is not an attack, but a human defense mechanism from IdrA) personally.

Let people rage, and lets stop being polite and instead not take the emotions the other player omit as an attack on you.

On August 05 2010 23:12 floor exercise wrote:


He scanned and he saw a pool and a hatchery. he is such an incredible player that he knew the exact counter to this combination of zerg buildings: build literally anything

He never saw any tech. His scouting scv didn't even scout idra's main, it just saw creep and went back to stop the hatchery. He didn't know there were mutas until after he pushed out, after he put down ebay, and after he started making a turret. He had no fucking clue at all.

Once I scouted him, I knew I wanted to punish him early for his economic build order and so I planned to do an early mech-push depending on what unit composition I saw from him. He invested in zerglings and mutalisks, so naturally I made hellions and thors. Once I scanned and saw his next tech structure going up was a banelings nest, I knew I wanted to engage before he could benefit from his new tech.

On August 05 2010 13:46 iEchoic wrote:


And he's still not a professional. Being a professional means acting like a professional. If you don't act like a professional, you're not one. This applies to every field in life, even fields where you can hide yourself behind a computer.

As time goes on, new talent is going to emerge. It's funny to see people upset when new players play well. Props to Silver.

How convenient that you define what "acting like a professional" is, not the person playing the game full-time for a salary.

On August 05 2010 23:17 floor exercise wrote:
Except he made hellions and thors far before he knew he was going muta, how do you not understand this? There was no inclination from his very limited knowledge to suggest mutas. Do you know the first time he saw mutas in the entire game? When they ran into his turret

On August 05 2010 20:19 Everlong wrote:


This is so truth..

To say something like - "Apologize for playing this race" or "I actually am really good" is just plain wrong. I wonder how can Idra play with Koreans with this attitude..

On August 05 2010 23:50 CruelZeratul wrote:


He wouldn't have said a damn word, if he played Maka or ITR or someone like that and lost in just the same way.

btw. didn't he originally switch to Zerg, because they were dominant back then?

On August 05 2010 23:42 shawabawa wrote:

Maybe because he had hellions and marines with a tank and what did zerg have? Zerglings. Nothing else. What could he be going for? Hydras doesn't make sense against that mix, roaches would've been out already, had to be mutas. You don't have to see something to know it's there.

On August 05 2010 23:47 chakuzabruder wrote:


wtf is ur problem you idra fanboy? go lick his asshole and ask him to put ur small dick inside his asnus
your just a fucking noob, everywhere defending idra... so pathetic
you fucking ugly virgin, i hate ugly people and ur definitely one u fucking noob
ur just like idra.. u'll never get a life, u'll never get any girls.. ur just a random pc nerd.. when ur 40 years old.. u'll look back at ur life and realize that all u achived is being a random pc nerd.. u suck man, pathetic pple without life
loser

On August 05 2010 23:39 Zironic wrote:

Acting professionally is an ancient concept and it means that you focus on doing your job properly rather then getting your emotions in the way. Idra is hardly the first professional in the history of mankind, there are other people then him in the world that somehow manage to get a salary and behave properly, who would have thought?

Not gonna argue with you people anymore, watch the game. it was a guy in his base building whatever he wanted, you can try to pass that off as strategic genius all you want but you are clueless if you believe that.

On August 05 2010 13:24 OHtRUe wrote:
No offense, but this proves that theres something wrong with the game. This guy shouldn't 2-0 IdrA with his gaming history and his whole philosophy of the game. I feel incredibly bad for IdrA for choosing zerg because if he played Terran i doubt he would lose a game.

CJ Entus PROGAMER who played pro level SC BW and plays 10 hours of SC2 gets 2-0'd by pretty much by a casual who references a confederate general for his SC play......

What you're describing might be "acting dignified," but the guy is in the entertainment business. Part of his responsibility is marketing himself to the fanbase. It's ridiculous to say that trash-talking the opposition is somehow letting his emotions get in the way of his job. His job is to get people to watch his games, so that the sponsors are happy.

If "acting professionally" means "not displaying emotion", I completely disagree that professional athletes, gamers, or entertainers should "act professionally." And in fact, few of them do.

On August 05 2010 23:57 floor exercise wrote:


He started making thors

before he even saw idra's natural

he had no clue what idra was doing when he started making thors

zero. He had no idea, not even the slightest inclination, of what Idra was building, and he didn't care. He didn't need to know that information because he was just building random mech shit and attack moving.

If he says otherwise, he's lying to make himself sound good in the interview. He had no clue, for all intents it was completely impertinent, he was going to build what he was going to build and attack move with it without any regard for his opponents build or units.

Whatever Idra's build was, his units would have been out by then, but Silver would have no clue what they were because he didn't effectively scout at all.

Not gonna argue with you people anymore, watch the game. it was a guy in his base building whatever he wanted, you can try to pass that off as strategic genius all you want but you are clueless if you believe that.

On August 05 2010 23:57 floor exercise wrote:


He started making thors

before he even saw idra's natural

he had no clue what idra was doing when he started making thors

zero. He had no idea, not even the slightest inclination, of what Idra was building, and he didn't care. He didn't need to know that information because he was just building random mech shit and attack moving.

If he says otherwise, he's lying to make himself sound good in the interview. He had no clue, for all intents it was completely impertinent, he was going to build what he was going to build and attack move with it without any regard for his opponents build or units.

Whatever Idra's build was, his units would have been out by then, but Silver would have no clue what they were because he didn't effectively scout at all.

Not gonna argue with you people anymore, watch the game. it was a guy in his base building whatever he wanted, you can try to pass that off as strategic genius all you want but you are clueless if you believe that.

On August 05 2010 23:57 floor exercise wrote:
He started making thors

before he even saw idra's natural

he had no clue what idra was doing when he started making thors

zero. He had no idea, not even the slightest inclination, of what Idra was building, and he didn't care. He didn't need to know that information because he was just building random mech shit and attack moving.

If he says otherwise, he's lying to make himself sound good in the interview. He had no clue, for all intents it was completely impertinent, he was going to build what he was going to build and attack move with it without any regard for his opponents build or units.

Whatever Idra's build was, his units would have been out by then, but Silver would have no clue what they were because he didn't effectively scout at all.

Not gonna argue with you people anymore, watch the game. it was a guy in his base building whatever he wanted, you can try to pass that off as strategic genius all you want but you are clueless if you believe that.

On August 06 2010 00:13 nam nam wrote:


I've never claimed it was a genius strategy. My original response was towards the claim that he didn't scan once, which he did and you jumped in and lashed out for no real reason. (No fucking clue...) If a person is going to rage against something, at least be truthful.

On August 05 2010 23:47 chakuzabruder wrote:


wtf is ur problem you idra fanboy? go lick his asshole and ask him to put ur small dick inside his asnus
your just a fucking noob, everywhere defending idra... so pathetic
you fucking ugly virgin, i hate ugly people and ur definitely one u fucking noob
ur just like idra.. u'll never get a life, u'll never get any girls.. ur just a random pc nerd.. when ur 40 years old.. u'll look back at ur life and realize that all u achived is being a random pc nerd.. u suck man, pathetic pple without life
loser

On August 05 2010 23:57 floor exercise wrote:


He started making thors

before he even saw idra's natural

he had no clue what idra was doing when he started making thors

zero. He had no idea, not even the slightest inclination, of what Idra was building, and he didn't care. He didn't need to know that information because he was just building random mech shit and attack moving.

If he says otherwise, he's lying to make himself sound good in the interview. He had no clue, for all intents it was completely impertinent, he was going to build what he was going to build and attack move with it without any regard for his opponents build or units.

Whatever Idra's build was, his units would have been out by then, but Silver would have no clue what they were because he didn't effectively scout at all.

Not gonna argue with you people anymore, watch the game. it was a guy in his base building whatever he wanted, you can try to pass that off as strategic genius all you want but you are clueless if you believe that.

On August 06 2010 00:27 floor exercise wrote:


I can scan a corner of the map with nothing in it, it doesn't help me determine the units I produce does it?

The inference is that his scan gave him information from which he determined his path. This is wrong. I don't see how I'm "lashing out for no reason" because you think you can perpetuate the falsehood of a wayward scan that sees nothing can somehow alter the game. Yet I'm not being truthful. When did I say he didn't scan? If you value honesty so highly, you should question Silver about how a scan that sees nothing can determine his build order. I haven't said a single thing that isn't the truth so far, the only difference being that I have been right about everything I said and this somehow wounds your pride

On August 06 2010 01:08 OHtRUe wrote:

Thank you very much for actually posting with common sense. Are all of you blind calling me a fanboy for IdrA while your supporting this guys play? A casual player who played WC3 is beating A SC BW PRO and A SC 2 PRO. What justifications do you have for that?

Also to anyone saying IdrA's unit composition was wrong IT WOULDNT HAVE MATTERED. If he made roach he would of gone more tank and marauder, if he went hydra he would of went hellion tank. The point is there is no reasonable counter for this bullshit that terran can pull.

On August 05 2010 13:24 OHtRUe wrote:
No offense, but this proves that theres something wrong with the game. This guy shouldn't 2-0 IdrA with his gaming history and his whole philosophy of the game. I feel incredibly bad for IdrA for choosing zerg because if he played Terran i doubt he would lose a game.

CJ Entus PROGAMER who played pro level SC BW and plays 10 hours of SC2 gets 2-0'd by pretty much by a casual who references a confederate general for his SC play......

On August 06 2010 01:01 OHtRUe wrote:

Hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
OH MY GOD

On August 06 2010 01:08 OHtRUe wrote:

Thank you very much for actually posting with common sense. Are all of you blind calling me a fanboy for IdrA while your supporting this guys play? A casual player who played WC3 is beating A SC BW PRO and A SC 2 PRO. What justifications do you have for that?

Also to anyone saying IdrA's unit composition was wrong IT WOULDNT HAVE MATTERED. If he made roach he would of gone more tank and marauder, if he went hydra he would of went hellion tank. The point is there is no reasonable counter for this bullshit that terran can pull.

On August 06 2010 01:08 OHtRUe wrote:

Thank you very much for actually posting with common sense. Are all of you blind calling me a fanboy for IdrA while your supporting this guys play? A casual player who played WC3 is beating A SC BW PRO and A SC 2 PRO. What justifications do you have for that?

Also to anyone saying IdrA's unit composition was wrong IT WOULDNT HAVE MATTERED. If he made roach he would of gone more tank and marauder, if he went hydra he would of went hellion tank. The point is there is no reasonable counter for this bullshit that terran can pull.

On August 06 2010 01:16 skipdog172 wrote:


Idra lost because of his poor unit composition in his first game against Silver on Metalopolis. He lost his second game due to his inability to perform a different build on a map with cliffs(lost temple). It was clear that he wasn't planning on a tank drop at all. Clearly he wasn't ready for it and didn't perfect a build to combat the tank drop on the cliff. He needs more flexibility in his game.

I'm so tired of this kind of Idra sympathy. Not only the "boohoo Terran is overpowered" crap but he also showed such poor manners and lack of respect/professionalism that really brings the community down. Stop cheering him on when he whines like a 12 year old brat. He had no reason to say what he did to his opponent.

We can't keep accepting his rage as "cool". It's childish and pathetic.

Silver played amazing in that entire tournament. He deserved the win. Idra doesn't deserve shit because of his previous accomplishments.

On August 06 2010 01:59 GeorgeForeman wrote:
I don't get how you can complain about Silver's lack of scouting without taking Idra to task for the same thing. Scans cost the T ~280 mineral. That's nearly 3 overlords.

On August 06 2010 01:59 GeorgeForeman wrote:
I don't get how you can complain about Silver's lack of scouting without taking Idra to task for the same thing. Scans cost the T ~280 mineral. That's nearly 3 overlords.

On August 06 2010 02:04 IdrA wrote:

zerg must play responsively early game, only aggressive options are terrible allins that are easily prevented and its clear theyre coming before the scv scout is even dead. terran has 20 completely different viable 1 base builds, all of which can kill you if you arent properly prepared. that in itself isnt imbalanced, but when they all require different counters and theres no reliable way to know which hes doing, it is a problem.

On August 06 2010 02:38 Whole wrote:
Why are people saying IdrA has no right to BM? He has been doing it since Brood War. It is nothing new, get over it. lol

Also floor exercise and IdrA himself are absolutely right. Terran has too many options early game. It isn't as bad when you're Protoss because you have better counters, (ex: Stalkers counter Reapers and Air; Zerg needs Roaches or Speedlings for Reapers and a lot of Queens for air.) but when you're Zerg, you need a completely different counter for every option. And you can hardly even scout without sacrificing a ton of Overlords because of Marines denying it. And if you get the scouts in, you can't really prepare unless you catch a unit coming out. Example: Factory with Tech Lab can be Tanks, Pre-Igniter Hellions, Thors. Then they can push out with one of their 20 options and you either guess to counter them or you have a weak army composition trying to beat everything.

On August 06 2010 01:59 GeorgeForeman wrote:
I don't get how you can complain about Silver's lack of scouting without taking Idra to task for the same thing. Scans cost the T ~280 mineral. That's nearly 3 overlords.

On August 06 2010 02:51 kzn wrote:


For christ's sake.

Scans do not cost minerals. They cost mining speed and energy.

That is all.

On August 06 2010 02:51 kzn wrote:


For christ's sake.

Scans do not cost minerals. They cost mining speed and energy.

That is all.

On August 06 2010 03:10 Pandain wrote:


One scan means no mule, and one mule can gather ~(300 mins?).

On August 06 2010 03:10 Pandain wrote:


One scan means no mule, and one mule can gather ~(300 mins?).

On August 05 2010 13:24 OHtRUe wrote:
No offense, but this proves that theres something wrong with the game. This guy shouldn't 2-0 IdrA with his gaming history and his whole philosophy of the game. I feel incredibly bad for IdrA for choosing zerg because if he played Terran i doubt he would lose a game.

CJ Entus PROGAMER who played pro level SC BW and plays 10 hours of SC2 gets 2-0'd by pretty much by a casual who references a confederate general for his SC play......

On August 06 2010 03:39 PanoRaMa wrote:
His grasp and understanding of zen and logical strategy/execution would make him a terrific poker player. His entire mentality eerily matches one of the best online players in the game in fact. Silver if you read this, feel free to pm me I'd be happy to discuss and teach you poker free of charge (I am a mid-stakes consistent winner with a primary focus on those traits mentioned above).

On August 06 2010 02:04 IdrA wrote:

zerg must play responsively early game, only aggressive options are terrible allins that are easily prevented and its clear theyre coming before the scv scout is even dead. terran has 20 completely different viable 1 base builds, all of which can kill you if you arent properly prepared. that in itself isnt imbalanced, but when they all require different counters and theres no reliable way to know which hes doing, it is a problem.

On August 06 2010 02:25 IdrA wrote:
like i said its not solely that they have too many options, its that they have alot of options and its not really possible to know what theyre doing, and there is no all purpose defensive build. and its not just that zergs havent thought of one, terran strategies require such diverse counters that you're never gonna be able to be totally safe.

as for zerg aggression no, i dont think its gonna happen unless theres big changes. wallin+repair+bunkers and terran's range advantage means that you're never just gonna be able to overpower them cuz of a build advantage or something, you actually have to catch them completely off guard. and roach or baneling based rushes are not hard to scout, have similar responses anyway. basically if t sees you on one base, which you cant prevent, they make a thick wall and put a bunker behind it and theyre completely safe. the fact that you're on one base means that even with that extra money spent on defense theyll be fine economically. only options zerg has are map specific, like blistering's back door.

On August 06 2010 04:20 Chained wrote:
I know Im just a noob and IdrA probably wont read this, but Idra, if Terran is so imbalanced why not switch to it for a while? Putting up a 87% winrate on ladder shows blizz that obviously its not too imbalanced.

Its kinda hard to say "Im at a disadvantage every game against terran" and put up wins practically in the triple digits while your losses are in the single digits. I mean, if you can give it like a month and raise your Win Rate to 95% with Terran, I think your words will have ALOT more support. I dont disagree with what you are saying now, but its just logic. Saying one thing and showing the other practically says "My point is moot".

Another note, I know the balance doesnt really work so black and white, but like I said, winning 90% of your games and saying the race you are playing is weak, its hard to take it seriously, even if the points are completely valid, the wins gotta come some way right?

On August 06 2010 04:15 llortyag wrote:
I wish i was as smart as this guy but i only have a degree in applied math from uc berkeley while this guy is prolly a history major without a career and massive debt.

On August 06 2010 04:26 Fayth wrote:

What the hell was that???

On August 06 2010 04:23 OHtRUe wrote:

Theres a thing called skill by the way. Skill can overcome imbalance partially espically on the US server where no offense the majority of players are terrible.

On August 06 2010 04:28 Fayth wrote:
pretty lame thing to say imo

On August 06 2010 04:32 llortyag wrote:

fine i'll rephrase it baby.

Silver is not smart, nor do any of his actions reflect that he is.

On August 06 2010 04:35 huameng wrote:


I'm not sure if your opinion matters anymore, considering you seem to judge intelligence based on major and finances!

On August 05 2010 13:24 OHtRUe wrote:
No offense, but this proves that theres something wrong with the game. This guy shouldn't 2-0 IdrA with his gaming history and his whole philosophy of the game. I feel incredibly bad for IdrA for choosing zerg because if he played Terran i doubt he would lose a game.

CJ Entus PROGAMER who played pro level SC BW and plays 10 hours of SC2 gets 2-0'd by pretty much by a casual who references a confederate general for his SC play......

On August 05 2010 13:56 OHtRUe wrote:

I guess IdrA isnt used to all in 2 base pushes and cliff drops. Sc2 is 5 months old with 10 years of broodwar experiance. This guy plays 10 hours a day you dont think he doesn't know how to fend off these things off? There is a distinct possibillity that GASPPPP there is no reasonable counter....

On August 06 2010 04:15 llortyag wrote:
Look at the interview is ridiculous !! he basically cheesed wc3 ladder with random but it doesn't work on pros because skill > cheese in wc3. Also lol at the wanna be zen master hahaha

On August 06 2010 04:47 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
llortyag: lolumad?

I dunno if you're an IdrA fanboy or something, but to rage all over this kid and tangential aspects like random degrees is a bit strange, especially considering the huge jump from "omg, a certain degree" to "you're a homeless bum!!!!!!!111." So let me get this straight, you're considering him untelligent based on an imaginary major/imaginary position that you're pretending that he has ("while this guy is prolly a history major" without a career and massive debt)?

On August 06 2010 04:49 fantomex wrote:


Because mastering 4 races is so much easier than mastering 1.

Oh wait...

Too late to get a refund from Berkeley?

On August 06 2010 04:51 llortyag wrote:

rofl this kids mad.. You are looking way too deeply into things haha. People are saying he is smart with the same amount of evidence i have. and the bum part is what we call an analogy look it up

On August 06 2010 04:54 nam nam wrote:


If that was the best analogy you could come up with, I seriously doubt you have a major in anything.

On August 06 2010 04:51 llortyag wrote:

rofl this kids mad.. You are looking way too deeply into things haha. People are saying he is smart with the same amount of evidence i have. and the bum part is what we call an analogy look it up

So let me get this straight, you're considering him untelligent based on an imaginary major/imaginary position that you're pretending that he has ("while this guy is prolly a history major without a career and massive debt")?

On August 06 2010 05:03 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:


Apparently me disagreeing with you = me mad (nice copy of my post btw). Gee, must be a tonna angry people in this thread then .

As for the analogy, it's pretty obvious that I'm kinda questioning this odd little attitude behind it, not the literal statement; I might as well copy and paste the previous post which was conveniently ignored:

On August 06 2010 04:52 llortyag wrote:

If you cheese you aren't mastering the race. yup my degree is useless, except that starting offers are around 70k+

try again

On August 06 2010 05:17 Kishime wrote:


Just out of curiosity, what profession are you talking about? Most math majors don't make that much money.

But then again you aren't very logical esp when you say things like 'you must be an idra fanboy'

I dunno if you're an IdrA fanboy or something

On August 05 2010 13:24 OHtRUe wrote:
No offense, but this proves that theres something wrong with the game. This guy shouldn't 2-0 IdrA with his gaming history and his whole philosophy of the game. I feel incredibly bad for IdrA for choosing zerg because if he played Terran i doubt he would lose a game.

CJ Entus PROGAMER who played pro level SC BW and plays 10 hours of SC2 gets 2-0'd by pretty much by a casual who references a confederate general for his SC play......

On August 06 2010 05:32 MICHELLE wrote:


That,
idrA should be nomatching these kinds of casual, this is completely retarded

On August 06 2010 05:25 llortyag wrote:

I guess ill help a fellow TL member out before i am banned . Well mathematics is a wide fields and which classes you take matter as much as which major you choose. Also UC Berkeley is the top public in the US ( maybe even world i dunno), so we are the most in demand( bragging is fun). The final thing is location. the university is located perfect in california where major companies like Google run and they directly interact with the students here and thus value them higher and are willing to pay them more. I applied to Google but i didn't get in because the competition is fierce, but i work for cisco systems along with some of my graduating class and many make six figures, while i myself make around 80k with 2 years experience. Obviously you have to think about these factors before choosing a school, and you can graduate with a great paying job and without debt (Something Silver didn't think of)

On August 06 2010 05:25 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
Hahaha, nah, I'm not inferring that you're mad because of the side you're taking regarding Silver, anyone that's read my posts can see I'm not caring one way or another if he's smart or not, but it's pretty clear that you are mad (attempted insults like "Mr racist name"? lol, what is that supposed to mean anyways?).

Oh, and I actually know what I'm reading. For ex:



Which is funny, because my actual post that you yourself quoted pretty much didn't say that at all:



See, I'm not silly enough to frame opinions pulled out of the air as fact, you know, like weird assumptions like ones thinking that people who major in history are in huge debt. Oh, and don't try to pin this on "zomganalogy" because that part isn't the analogy, lol.

I don't care if you're going to copy and paste non-responsive stuff, so once again time for more copy pasta:

"it's pretty obvious that I'm kinda questioning this odd little attitude behind it, not the literal statement"

Hence, the "lolumad" vibe that your posts are begging for there dawg.

, but to rage all over this kid and tangential aspects like random degrees is a bit strange, especially considering the huge jump from "omg, a certain degree" to "you're a homeless bum!!!!!!!111.

On August 06 2010 05:56 llortyag wrote:
btw ty noonononnononononoo and Iamthewater for proving that we cannot determine that he is a smart player based on what we say. Just be sure to say to that koppick who said "Wow, Silver is sounds like a really smart player. "

On August 06 2010 05:56 llortyag wrote:
btw ty noonononnononononoo and Iamthewater for proving that we cannot determine that he is a smart player based on what we say. Just be sure to say to that koppick who said "Wow, Silver is sounds like a really smart player. "

On August 06 2010 06:01 MuTT wrote:

its funny how the ones oblivious to your sarcasm are calling you oblivious

On August 06 2010 06:03 nam nam wrote:


Should we put up a poll?:

What description do you think fit best with Silver based on the interview.

1) Really smart guy
2) Homeless bum

I know were I'm leaning towards.

On August 06 2010 04:15 llortyag wrote:
i find it funny that all these unknown up and comers are all terran. Sure the kid beat qxc and huk but IdrA himself can beat them and is on a whole other level.

Look at the interview is ridiculous !! he basically cheesed wc3 ladder with random but it doesn't work on pros because skill > cheese in wc3. Also lol at the wanna be zen master hahaha

He only plays half the game anyways "a great general's objective is to mystify, mislead and surprise. Terran is the race that best allows me to do this." He does his builds which take the "strategic thought" of battlecraft and if his rock papper scissors strats doesn't work oh well he doesn't need to practice. I wish i was as smart as this guy but i only have a degree in applied math from uc berkeley while this guy is prolly a history major without a career and massive debt. If only i had the insight to think... IdrA likes go to ling muta because i saw him do it in a replay. Hmm lemme think..... Hellions make zerglings useless and hmm what about the mutas. If only there was a hard counter unit that made mutas useless... o wait there is thors! Then i can see if my rock papper scissor strat works! Oh no IdrA scouted me and went an incredible clever roach baneling build if only there were units i build that had the same infrastructure as thors and hellions... hmmm tanks! Playing Civilization has made me a genius at this game!

On August 06 2010 04:52 llortyag wrote:

If you cheese you aren't mastering the race. yup my degree is useless, except that starting offers are around 70k+

try again

On August 06 2010 06:27 llortyag wrote:
only in a backwards place

On August 06 2010 06:33 Fayth wrote:

you're being way out of line with this degree shit, if you think you can just judge someone's intelligence based on what degree he masters you're way off

I consider myself pretty smart and I dropped out of college, it was also probably the right decision

so just drop it, Silver seems smart at first glance and he's pretty mannered, end of it

On August 05 2010 13:36 OHtRUe wrote:

No he has his right to rage because this is his living and his career. If you were naturally disadvantaged at what you work at for a living would you just stay good mannered? You could compare IdrA to a 5 foot bball player who is extremely skilled and Silver (and any terran for that matter) to a 7 foot bball player who is a weekend warrior. Theres no reason why he shouldn't be upset.

On August 05 2010 13:46 iEchoic wrote:


And he's still not a professional. Being a professional means acting like a professional. If you don't act like a professional, you're not one. This applies to every field in life, even fields where you can hide yourself behind a computer.

As time goes on, new talent is going to emerge. It's funny to see people upset when new players play well. Props to Silver.

On August 05 2010 13:36 OHtRUe wrote:

No he has his right to rage because this is his living and his career. If you were naturally disadvantaged at what you work at for a living would you just stay good mannered? You could compare IdrA to a 5 foot bball player who is extremely skilled and Silver (and any terran for that matter) to a 7 foot bball player who is a weekend warrior. Theres no reason why he shouldn't be upset.

On August 05 2010 13:24 OHtRUe wrote:
No offense, but this proves that theres something wrong with the game. This guy shouldn't 2-0 IdrA with his gaming history and his whole philosophy of the game. I feel incredibly bad for IdrA for choosing zerg because if he played Terran i doubt he would lose a game.

CJ Entus PROGAMER who played pro level SC BW and plays 10 hours of SC2 gets 2-0'd by pretty much by a casual who references a confederate general for his SC play......

On August 08 2010 17:30 torm wrote:
I think its funny how many people live by these unwritten rules of starcraft. If someone wants to talk shit, thats his or her prerogative. All you can really do to stop it is to set tournament rules where all you are allowed to say is "gg" but that's not going to stop a player from trash talking at another point. It's hilarious that so many people feel like IdrA should be condemned or some stupid shit for his pottymouth. Grow up.

On August 08 2010 17:34 vyyye wrote:
Same reason Wayne Rooney never got any shit for all the crap he spouted early in his career? IdrA is allowed to, doesn't mean anyone has to agree with it.

On August 05 2010 13:24 OHtRUe wrote:
No offense, but this proves that theres something wrong with the game. This guy shouldn't 2-0 IdrA with his gaming history and his whole philosophy of the game. I feel incredibly bad for IdrA for choosing zerg because if he played Terran i doubt he would lose a game.

CJ Entus PROGAMER who played pro level SC BW and plays 10 hours of SC2 gets 2-0'd by pretty much by a casual who references a confederate general for his SC play......

On August 08 2010 15:52 RandomBS wrote:
just watched a replay where silver ragequitted after getting vortexed and steamrolled

http://www.sc2-replays.net/en/replays/303-kiwikaki-vs-silver,steppes-of-war


so much for zen eh

On August 08 2010 17:56 SouthWales wrote:
Personally I don't think that silvers responses to the interview questions where very intelligent at all.

Firstly, he majorly disrespected Idra by boiling down his emotions into a simple sentence loosely based on psychology a field I'm sure he is not an expert in and therefore should not even be commenting on.

On August 08 2010 17:58 vyyye wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
That is "majorly disrespecting"? Then what the hell would you call IdrAs bm?