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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On August 06 2010 01:59 GeorgeForeman wrote: I don't get how you can complain about Silver's lack of scouting without taking Idra to task for the same thing. Scans cost the T ~280 mineral. That's nearly 3 overlords. The truly sad thing is you think this is a reasonable argument | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On August 06 2010 01:59 GeorgeForeman wrote: I don't get how you can complain about Silver's lack of scouting without taking Idra to task for the same thing. Scans cost the T ~280 mineral. That's nearly 3 overlords. zerg must play responsively early game, only aggressive options are terrible allins that are easily prevented and its clear theyre coming before the scv scout is even dead. terran has 20 completely different viable 1 base builds, all of which can kill you if you arent properly prepared. that in itself isnt imbalanced, but when they all require different counters and theres no reliable way to know which hes doing, it is a problem. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 06 2010 02:04 IdrA wrote: zerg must play responsively early game, only aggressive options are terrible allins that are easily prevented and its clear theyre coming before the scv scout is even dead. terran has 20 completely different viable 1 base builds, all of which can kill you if you arent properly prepared. that in itself isnt imbalanced, but when they all require different counters and theres no reliable way to know which hes doing, it is a problem. Love it when you can go to a website where pros will actualy TALK on the forum. This argument is actually pretty well thought out. I'm curious whether you think Idra its because Zerg simply hasn't thought of enough builds, or that terran truly does just have TOO many options. | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
as for zerg aggression no, i dont think its gonna happen unless theres big changes. wallin+repair+bunkers and terran's range advantage means that you're never just gonna be able to overpower them cuz of a build advantage or something, you actually have to catch them completely off guard. and roach or baneling based rushes are not hard to scout, have similar responses anyway. basically if t sees you on one base, which you cant prevent, they make a thick wall and put a bunker behind it and theyre completely safe. the fact that you're on one base means that even with that extra money spent on defense theyll be fine economically. only options zerg has are map specific, like blistering's back door. | ||
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fantomex
United States313 Posts
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Defeat
United States476 Posts
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
Also floor exercise and IdrA are absolutely right. Terran has too many options early game. It isn't as bad when you're Protoss because you have better counters, (ex: Stalkers counter Reapers and Air; Zerg needs Roaches or Speedlings for Reapers and a lot of Queens for air.) but when you're Zerg, you need a completely different counter for every option. And you can hardly even scout without sacrificing a ton of Overlords because of Marines denying it. And if you get the scouts in, you can't really prepare unless you catch a unit coming out. Example: Factory with Tech Lab can be Tanks, Pre-Igniter Hellions, Thors. Then they can push out with one of their 20 options and you either guess to counter them or you have a weak army composition trying to beat everything. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On August 06 2010 02:38 Whole wrote: Why are people saying IdrA has no right to BM? He has been doing it since Brood War. It is nothing new, get over it. lol Also floor exercise and IdrA himself are absolutely right. Terran has too many options early game. It isn't as bad when you're Protoss because you have better counters, (ex: Stalkers counter Reapers and Air; Zerg needs Roaches or Speedlings for Reapers and a lot of Queens for air.) but when you're Zerg, you need a completely different counter for every option. And you can hardly even scout without sacrificing a ton of Overlords because of Marines denying it. And if you get the scouts in, you can't really prepare unless you catch a unit coming out. Example: Factory with Tech Lab can be Tanks, Pre-Igniter Hellions, Thors. Then they can push out with one of their 20 options and you either guess to counter them or you have a weak army composition trying to beat everything. Maybe I missed the posts saying Idra "has no right" to be BM. Just not everyone think it's appropriate for a pro player to behave that way. He has the right, but people also have the right to dislike him for it. | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
On August 06 2010 01:59 GeorgeForeman wrote: I don't get how you can complain about Silver's lack of scouting without taking Idra to task for the same thing. Scans cost the T ~280 mineral. That's nearly 3 overlords. For christ's sake. Scans do not cost minerals. They cost mining speed and energy. That is all. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On August 06 2010 02:51 kzn wrote: For christ's sake. Scans do not cost minerals. They cost mining speed and energy. That is all. Yeah, this bothers me a lot. lol It should be a bannable offense to say that scan costs minerals. | ||
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Zalfor
United States1035 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 06 2010 02:51 kzn wrote: For christ's sake. Scans do not cost minerals. They cost mining speed and energy. That is all. One scan means no mule, and one mule can gather ~(300 mins?). | ||
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ProfSteve
United States1 Post
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On August 06 2010 03:10 Pandain wrote: One scan means no mule, and one mule can gather ~(300 mins?). I believe this is EXACTLY what they are talking about. (aka, it is not the case) | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
On August 06 2010 03:10 Pandain wrote: One scan means no mule, and one mule can gather ~(300 mins?). So you scan, and you don't mule. You have lower mining speed and less energy. You do not have 300 less minerals to mine. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On August 05 2010 13:24 OHtRUe wrote: No offense, but this proves that theres something wrong with the game. This guy shouldn't 2-0 IdrA with his gaming history and his whole philosophy of the game. I feel incredibly bad for IdrA for choosing zerg because if he played Terran i doubt he would lose a game. CJ Entus PROGAMER who played pro level SC BW and plays 10 hours of SC2 gets 2-0'd by pretty much by a casual who references a confederate general for his SC play...... Actually he seems to be much smarter than idra, idra just has better mechanics | ||
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thezergk
United States492 Posts
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PanoRaMa
United States5070 Posts
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Torture
Canada221 Posts
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