EPTOn August 05 2010 04:21 peachsncream wrote:
lol @ all the terran players getting upset over this
lol @ all the terran players getting upset over this
I'm a zerg player and I'm upset with these stupid threads.
[D] The lack of Zerg bonus damage: - Page 2
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cr4ckshot
United States291 Posts
I'm a zerg player and I'm upset with these stupid threads. | ||
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Grimjim
United States395 Posts
On August 05 2010 04:32 tipakee wrote: Edit Been fixed. Contribute or troll somewhere else. | ||
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JinNJuice
United States255 Posts
On August 05 2010 04:31 MangoTango wrote: So you play rock-paper-scissors and get the unit that counters the terran's unit. :| What zerg unit counters a terran unit. Sure, blings can blow up marines if they get close enough but you need to be either burrowed and pray that terran doesnt scan, or have speed upgrade. There's nothing for Zerg that says, oh he went marauders, let me go *This* to counter him hard. It's the other way around, "oh he went roaches, let me go heavy marauders," or "he went hydra/ling, let me get lots of hellions with preigniter upgrade" Zerg's strength is in numbers/macro but its hard to do that early game when you're trying to defend against early hellion harass with lings who melt to them. | ||
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Grimjim
United States395 Posts
On August 05 2010 04:33 cr4ckshot wrote: I'm a zerg player and I'm upset with these stupid threads. Then ignore them and post elsewhere. | ||
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Egnarts
Denmark33 Posts
On August 05 2010 04:32 Grimjim wrote: Oh, lack of bonus damage has nothing to do with the balance? Then let's take it all out then. Let's see how that changes things. I think you missed the point, since Zerg does fine without these specific bonus damage versus x, and terran does fine with bonus damage, it's balanced, ergo it would be unbalanced without bonus damageVsX. | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
On August 05 2010 04:21 peachsncream wrote: lol @ all the terran players getting upset over this Why do you assume every here is a terran player? As others have noted they are Z players and getting sick of these threads. Sure there's P players in here getting sick of these threads. I'm a random player and I'm getting sick of these threads. Personally I've stopped visiting TL as much because of all the 'Z is SOOOO UP and T is SOOOOO OP' threads. | ||
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leeznon
United States255 Posts
On August 05 2010 03:52 Grimjim wrote: Let's get the nasty stuff out of the way first: ZvT sucks. Agreed. | ||
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tipakee
United States127 Posts
On August 05 2010 04:34 Grimjim wrote: Been fixed. Contribute or troll somewhere else. sorry my original post was just out of frustration of all the TvZ drama latley, i edited after rereading it | ||
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Grimjim
United States395 Posts
On August 05 2010 04:37 Egnarts wrote: I think you missed the point, since Zerg does fine without these specific bonus damage versus x, and terran does fine with bonus damage, it's balanced, ergo it would be unbalanced without bonus damageVsX. And I think you missed the fact that ZvT is far from fine. | ||
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Ksi
357 Posts
On August 05 2010 04:31 MangoTango wrote: So you play rock-paper-scissors and get the unit that counters the terran's unit. :| The OP's point was that Zerg doesn't really have any rock-paper scissors units. They have some sort of strange rock that's made out of paper-mache that also has a broken pair of scissors stabbed into it. Really the biggest problem with this is that when a Zerg is behind, he can't exactly just make the "counter" unit and hope that it's enough to put the game back in his favor, he just has to hope that some miracle of unit positioning or army micro can make his less-cost effective army come out victorious. | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
I don't really think the lack of bonus damage is the crux of balance problems for Z or for P, but I do think terran have too much bonus damage on their units. (Read: Z/P don't need more, Terran need less). It's quite frustrating having your armies so readily countered by standard T compositions. | ||
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TheDrill
Russian Federation145 Posts
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Mowe
Sweden16 Posts
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Voyager I
United States260 Posts
An example: the new Siege Tank does a full twenty damage less than its BW counterpart despite costing significantly more, but it's still an amazing unit because it hits everything for full power. Obviously there are other factors like unit clumping and the loss of overkill, but the 50 damage Tank is still incredibly dangerous when 50 really means 50. Even if you don't get to counter people with bonus damage, you still have armor types to use against them. You may not have an obvious +armored unit to throw at Marauders until Hive tech (although most +armored units are also armored themselves, so it's still largely a mirror matchup), but you've got light units against which the 100/25/2 guy does worse damage than a single Marine...and don't forget Banelings and Queens, which straight up have no armor type. | ||
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OPSavioR
Sweden1465 Posts
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Ksyper
Bulgaria665 Posts
Who won the KOTB hmmmm? | ||
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HubertFelix
France631 Posts
Look at the ultralisk, they changed his damages with a bonus to give them a role. | ||
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RoarMan
Canada745 Posts
On August 05 2010 05:20 Ksyper wrote: Zerg is fine stop whining, either go learn how to play or just switch to a different race. Who won the KOTB hmmmm? Lol. Whining about whining is even funnier. It's a bit sad the "time and effort" you'll put into putting people down instead of actually contributing anything positive. I don't see many people here crying about balances/imbalances except the people who come in here crying about people-who-are-crying. Lol? But on topic, Sc2 does feel balance, but really this: On August 05 2010 04:59 Craton wrote: It's quite frustrating having your armies so readily countered by standard T compositions. | ||
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PaterSin
Germany301 Posts
as you stated Protoss only has 4 so Protoss players migh as well start complaining about it | ||
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KillerPlague
United States1386 Posts
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