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Only certain group of people would want that... and I dislike associating with these people.
"Draw" game grace time/policy in ranked games? - Page 4
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nitdkim
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scout proxy (anything) - alt f4 Only certain group of people would want that... and I dislike associating with these people. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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Ouga
Finland645 Posts
It's damn minor thing to think about though, I've played 1,5k+ games in SC2 and haven't met a situation where draw would've been necessary. Few times due to blizz' unplayable lag it would have helped tho. | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
All one needs to do is type like "/draw", some text would appear on the other side's screen, and if they typed /draw too then the game would end in a draw. Overall, I don't think offer draw is an important option, but it is rather simple and may help some unfair stalemate situations people are put in. I like the option to offer draws to people who disconnect even better, personally | ||
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Konsume
Canada466 Posts
On July 02 2010 04:42 scnok wrote: i like the idea of the draw after both players agree to it, i cant see any major problems with it I can see one, so if the game isn't laggy for one player and the other player SAYS that it's laggy (might not be laggy at all... might only be cause he's misclicked and f'ed his start) and the player doesn't want to agree to draw... then the other player will just call bad manner and blah blah blah so it will become something huge over the community. Rules will be setuped within the community and not agreeing to draw will be viewed as being bad manner and blah blah blah.... imo better the way it is. You lag? you pay the price, both lags? well play the game, there is no advantage for both players. You don't want to play cause it's laggy? Take the lost like a man. You don't want the lost? Well don't play or play customs. | ||
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Channel56k
United States413 Posts
On July 02 2010 20:23 Ouga wrote: Suppose there could be one-time possibility per player to ask for draw per game, same as pauses but this wouldn't pause the game. The situations where draw could be thought don't need pauses anyway, since draw should only be wanted when lag is huge issue, or if there's no chance for either side to get upper hand prebattle (mined out) and defender has the advantage. It's damn minor thing to think about though, I've played 1,5k+ games in SC2 and haven't met a situation where draw would've been necessary. Few times due to blizz' unplayable lag it would have helped tho. For one that is not the only situation.... If you dont believe me, read the previous 3 pages. Secondly, your right, its not only about draw games, but unplayable games; games where one of the two opponents have a bad connection to the servers. It doesn't matter who it is as both of the players will experience the lag associated with the others connection. A "draw" system helps remedy this type of situation that does indeed occur. Is it a minor thing... yea, but a lot of the minor things are what is bring bnet 2.0 down. Its all the minor things that have been ignored. Is this even that difficult to implement? | ||
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Channel56k
United States413 Posts
On July 02 2010 18:09 bokchoi wrote: Unfortunately, any Draw conditions/stipulations will be abused and it will be make things worse than better. Like people have mentioned friends who run into each other will just agree on draws, if its set to a certain timeframe ppl will do all-ins, just leave to begin with, dc, etc. omg do you people even read the post!? Honestly don't respond if your not even going to read the post. The fact that a player simply given the option to draw within the first 2 min was determined abusive in the original post. Friends agreeing to draw.... OK. What is the big deal there. They don't get a win. They don't get a loss. These are ranked matches so they will have to lose or win to stake claim. I don't see how friends agreeing to draw in a random match-making system could become abused unless you were awarded points for drawing. | ||
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
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EliteAzn
United States661 Posts
but leaving it with no draws is fine, only because it can be abused (via self/forced disconnections)...either way, Blizzard has it right. | ||
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Win.win
United States230 Posts
On July 03 2010 00:17 Xapti wrote: Guys, how the hell could an offer draw system be abused? Both sides would need to agree. If two friends that know each other play in a AMM game and decide to offer draw, so what? you don't get any losses or wins, so it's not what I'd consider abuse, theres still thousands/millions of other AMM opponents they can play against. In fact I'd say it's even god, in the sense that when the multiplayer starts up and no one is placed in a league, it will place people based off their record, and if really good people play each other, it's simply not fair for one of them to get a loss (in my opinion), since they would then need to play more games to move to their proper league. All one needs to do is type like "/draw", some text would appear on the other side's screen, and if they typed /draw too then the game would end in a draw. Overall, I don't think offer draw is an important option, but it is rather simple and may help some unfair stalemate situations people are put in. I like the option to offer draws to people who disconnect even better, personally i can think of a way that it would be abused. if your opponent doesn't want a loss and he doesn't want to play you for whatever reason, he could purposely start lagging (by downloading for example) and ask for a draw. even if you were way ahead, if the lag is bad enough you'll want to get out of the game asap. | ||
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monitor
United States2408 Posts
On July 03 2010 01:23 Win.win wrote: i can think of a way that it would be abused. if your opponent doesn't want a loss and he doesn't want to play you for whatever reason, he could purposely start lagging (by downloading for example) and ask for a draw. even if you were way ahead, if the lag is bad enough you'll want to get out of the game asap. Wow, good thinking. There has to be some way to solve that, because when both players have no money and a floating barracks, its a waiting game = NOT STARCRAFT. Maybe use that smart mind and think of a solution  . Lol I'm trying at least... | ||
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Daedie
Belgium160 Posts
Even in case of mutual agreement, good players might not want to duke it out against each other and just offer draw each time they meet, that wouldn't be good. | ||
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Spidermonkey
United States251 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 02 2010 04:39 ThePassingShadow wrote: Problem is: Don't like TvP ? Never play TvP ! Game starts; see opponent's race; leave. DRAW! Queue up again. Yeah the system would never work with a match making engine. I like the idea of having a button both players have to click to agree on a draw. | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
1) you only can draw when both agree. 2) drawing a game is a partloose. you loose some not many points by a draw. so no one will draw if they dont have to. they draw on draw situations ( both no base both 1 building , 1 on island) or on lag. @Win.win if someone makes superlag its no way to abuse the draw system. its a way to abuse the winstystem! if you got superlag you surrender even if you would win. so its a little fix for this problem. you can deny draw and play it out when you want.... | ||
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
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Channel56k
United States413 Posts
On July 03 2010 01:44 skeldark wrote: sugestion: 1) you only can draw when both agree. 2) drawing a game is a partloose. you loose some not many points by a draw. so no one will draw if they dont have to. they draw on draw situations ( both no base both 1 building , 1 on island) or on lag. @Win.win if someone makes superlag its no way to abuse the draw system. its a way to abuse the winstystem! if you got superlag you surrender even if you would win. so its a little fix for this problem. you can deny draw and play it out when you want.... The problem there is that when there is lag it is usually due to one persons connection and not the others. And, depending on location, service providers, and what not that person could be you or me one game and out opponent the next game. Reducing someones points becuase the prefer to use the "draw" option to avoid a laggy game isnt fair. Asking players to sit through a lag fest no matter who is at fault is the ridiculous part. A player should not be punished for wanting to find an opponent with whom he connects better. | ||
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Channel56k
United States413 Posts
On July 03 2010 01:23 Win.win wrote: i can think of a way that it would be abused. if your opponent doesn't want a loss and he doesn't want to play you for whatever reason, he could purposely start lagging (by downloading for example) and ask for a draw. even if you were way ahead, if the lag is bad enough you'll want to get out of the game asap. This is indeed plausable.... However, you can remedy it by adding simple parameters. 1/ no attacking has occured 2/ niether player is actively mining That is a good point though because you can easily open up a third party program to create lag. | ||
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scnok
Argentina10 Posts
On July 03 2010 01:23 Win.win wrote: i can think of a way that it would be abused. if your opponent doesn't want a loss and he doesn't want to play you for whatever reason, he could purposely start lagging (by downloading for example) and ask for a draw. even if you were way ahead, if the lag is bad enough you'll want to get out of the game asap. And how is the current system any better in that scneario? Some one could still start lagging hoping that you will leave even if no draw system exist. I think ppl for some reasson are trying to think of ways to abuse a mutual draw agreement, but after reading this thread i still cant think of many valid ones. | ||
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