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On June 04 2010 09:09 NATO wrote:
Are tanks really that powerful? Seems not too long ago everyone was complaining that they were worthless because the cost so much gas compared to sc1. Plus with immortal, they have limited use vs toss.
Blizz patched the tank shooting mechanic or s/t to make them similar to BW tanks. That plus the amazing AI for tanks in SCII = tanks imba.
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I don't really get the thor anti-air nerf. It will still own the only unit the anti-air was designed to counter.
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I think the tanks AI is more the problem than the damage... they are still going to rape zerg
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On June 04 2010 09:16 SirNeb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2010 09:11 Mastermind wrote:
Actually, mass tanks rape mass immortals in my experience. Immortals are only strong when the tanks are in small numbers. how could that be true? wouldn't surprise me if 10 immortals can kill 100 sieged tanks. My hope is that they are doing something to make ravens more viable and maybe BC too, so they have to nerf siege tanks to balance in preparation for that.
UHHHH... Tanks totally own immortals once there's a critical mass of tanks; which is waaaayyy less than 100 rofl. Units with splash and big range > units that can absorg 10 free hits with a short range.
ps. As a protoss player, this patch gets my seal of approval. First patch of the beta with no toss nerfs?!
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So when is this patch coming? Anybody have any guesses?
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On June 04 2010 09:22 FeLonius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2010 09:16 SirNeb wrote:On June 04 2010 09:11 Mastermind wrote:
Actually, mass tanks rape mass immortals in my experience. Immortals are only strong when the tanks are in small numbers. how could that be true? wouldn't surprise me if 10 immortals can kill 100 sieged tanks. My hope is that they are doing something to make ravens more viable and maybe BC too, so they have to nerf siege tanks to balance in preparation for that. UHHHH... Tanks totally own immortals once there's a critical mass of tanks; which is waaaayyy less than 100 rofl. Units with splash and big range > units that can absorg 10 free hits with a short range. ps. As a protoss player, this patch gets my seal of approval. First patch of the beta with no toss nerfs?!
last non protoss nerf patch wasnt too long ago, I think it was called.. patch 14
On June 04 2010 09:22 FeLonius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2010 09:16 SirNeb wrote:On June 04 2010 09:11 Mastermind wrote:
Actually, mass tanks rape mass immortals in my experience. Immortals are only strong when the tanks are in small numbers. how could that be true? wouldn't surprise me if 10 immortals can kill 100 sieged tanks. My hope is that they are doing something to make ravens more viable and maybe BC too, so they have to nerf siege tanks to balance in preparation for that. UHHHH... Tanks totally own immortals once there's a critical mass of tanks; which is waaaayyy less than 100 rofl. Units with splash and big range > units that can absorg 10 free hits with a short range. ps. As a protoss player, this patch gets my seal of approval. First patch of the beta with no toss nerfs?!
if you die with immortals to tanks without T emping you then you're doing something wrong.
For example by having all ur units as one big blob.
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On June 04 2010 09:16 SirNeb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2010 09:11 Mastermind wrote:
Actually, mass tanks rape mass immortals in my experience. Immortals are only strong when the tanks are in small numbers. how could that be true? wouldn't surprise me if 10 immortals can kill 100 sieged tanks.
Theorycraft time:
If the tanks are seiged, then splash coupled with siege range would make a significant impact on the innortals, even through herdened shields (as each immortal is not only being hit by the shots being fired at it, but also every shot impacting another immortal next to it)
Kev
PS on-topic, I am a little surprised that p15 is out so soon after 14, though I welcome the tank nerf.
Of course, further AMM improvements are always welcome (as long as they do turn out to be improvements)
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On June 04 2010 09:18 NuKedUFirst wrote:
Hellion and Tank nerf kinda hurts me abit as I love to mass hellions. The Thor buff should be good though vs muta..I wish void rays were considered light as I find it silly how a voidray can beat a thor..
Thor buff?
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On June 04 2010 09:23 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
So when is this patch coming? Anybody have any guesses?
Tonight, and you can bet they're crunching to get it out because it's after 1700 Pacific time 
In other words, be patient, it's coming when it's ready
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On June 04 2010 09:25 theqat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2010 09:23 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
So when is this patch coming? Anybody have any guesses? Tonight, and you can bet they're crunching to get it out because it's after 1700 Pacific time In other words, be patient, it's coming when it's ready
Alright cool. Thanks man.
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On June 04 2010 09:23 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
So when is this patch coming? Anybody have any guesses?
I have guy on the inside and he said the patch is coming right NOW! Serious though quit living on the edge of your seat and go outside to get some sunshine =)
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its cold and rainy outside though 
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On June 04 2010 09:26 Rorschach wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2010 09:23 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
So when is this patch coming? Anybody have any guesses? I have guy on the inside and he said the patch is coming right NOW! Serious though quit living on the edge of your seat and go outside to get some sunshine =)
What is this "sunshine" you speak of??? :o
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I think the thor nerf was needed. Even 1 thor unupgraded is pretty strong against muta but 3 wep thors were just silly.
I dont' see the hellion nerf making a difference at all, with the +10 from preigniter I don't think the weapon upgrades actually make much difference.
The tank nerf seems a bit excessive to me. I would have liked to see 55 instead of 50, but we will try it out.
The reaper buff is the upgrade out of left field in this patch. Reapers are just fine early game, they are an extrememly strong and popular opening. The problem with them is that their usability drops to 0 after about 5 minutes into the game. I would rather see the nitro pack upgrade dropped in favor of another upgrade that gives them late game viability (and perhaps requires armory so it can't be gotten too strong).
As for the immorta/tank argument, the reality is it doesn't matter. The reason that immortals aren't that good against tanks is because smart terrans have emp and other forces along with their tanks...so the immortal shields don't do that much. Immortals are fine units, but in good games its not like the early days of beta where a line of immortals would walk in the open field taking tank shots like it was nothing.
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Very nice broodlord nerf. Gotta agree with tank nerf for zergs benefit.
Reaper buffs? Really? Attempting to make viable late game? Don't agree with that as a necessity.
Thor AA reduction, not sure, guess its only upgrades. Same with hellions, seems weird but meh.
Gotta have a big toss patch soon?
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Good job with nerfs, just dont catch why to let reapers go faster ,...
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On June 04 2010 09:27 TheAngelofDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2010 09:26 Rorschach wrote:On June 04 2010 09:23 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
So when is this patch coming? Anybody have any guesses? I have guy on the inside and he said the patch is coming right NOW! Serious though quit living on the edge of your seat and go outside to get some sunshine =) What is this "sunshine" you speak of??? :o
LMAO! But yeah I am in Arizona and its 95° today (got sunburns being out for a few hrs) and supposed to hit 103° on Monday! So take some of my extra sunshine/heat if you need some...
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4 shots for a siege tank to kill a stalker. this is sure going to help terrans not mass marauders tvp.
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Nooooooo! My precious tanks!!
10 damage nerf is wayyy too much, man. Why do you do this to me Blizzard, why?
After the constant toss nerf, here comes the T nerf. Vikings, Tanks, Hellions, Thors, what's next? T_T
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On June 04 2010 09:29 Rorschach wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2010 09:27 TheAngelofDeath wrote:On June 04 2010 09:26 Rorschach wrote:On June 04 2010 09:23 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
So when is this patch coming? Anybody have any guesses? I have guy on the inside and he said the patch is coming right NOW! Serious though quit living on the edge of your seat and go outside to get some sunshine =) What is this "sunshine" you speak of??? :o LMAO! But yeah I am in Arizona and its 95° today (got sunburns being out for a few hrs) and supposed to hit 103° on Monday! So take some of my extra sunshine/heat if you need some...
In Nevada buddy, hittin 106 this weekend lol. So I'll stay in my house with the AC. :D
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