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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
May 11 2010 05:43 GMT
#121
Tanks actually do MORE single-target dps unsieged against armored units. They do 25 DPS, to be exact.

In sieged mode they do splash, however, so you probably want to have some tanks sieged and some unsieged when you engage.
Wi)nD
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada719 Posts
May 11 2010 05:44 GMT
#122
super interview, interesting to hear his opion on the races in sc2, i guess we will see as time goes on
robopork
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States511 Posts
May 11 2010 05:47 GMT
#123
On May 11 2010 13:21 TheYango wrote:
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On May 11 2010 13:04 MayorITC wrote:
CauthonLuck, DeMusliM, Jinro may be all top foreign players, but I don't think they're good by Tester's standards. His example was when SC1 pro-gamers play Terran in SC2, which basically means flawless mechanics and micro.

This point can't be emphasized enough.

Tester said nothing about Terran being generally better than Protoss or Zerg. For all we know, he may think they're weak at lower levels of play (though to be honest, he could probably care less). His specific point was that once they get in the hands of an extremely good player, meaning SC1 progamer caliber, they will be extremely powerful.

By extension, it seems to me that you really can't sum up the Terran's strength in a single unit like the Marauder or the Ghost. Because any bronze league player can take advantage of a shallow advantage like that.


I'm a little confused, are we saying that because T, relative to the other two races, is top heavy in regards to its effectiveness and skill its balance shouldn't get reevaluated? Who is honestly going to get excited about a game with pro-play that has one race mopping the floor with the other two? A lot of players, including myself, have a long way to go before we're justified in jumping out of our seats and calling imba, but if Tester says it's unbeatable at that level, that's a red flag for sure.
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PROJECTILE
Profile Joined April 2010
United States226 Posts
May 11 2010 05:48 GMT
#124
On May 11 2010 14:42 Fizban140 wrote:
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On May 11 2010 14:32 TheYango wrote:
On May 11 2010 14:24 Fizban140 wrote:
On May 11 2010 14:18 Dromar wrote:
On May 11 2010 14:14 Fizban140 wrote:
How does a tank push work against protoss? I don't play T but can't they just use immortals and stalkers with blink?


I think his meaning was "You scout, and if he's rushing Void Rays to the point where he has no defense, you go roll him. If he slowed down his build to incorporate a safe number of stalkers, you bunker up and you'll have time to get Vikings." It works because you scout his army composition and size beforehand.

Unless I'm misunderstanding your question.

I am only a gold player but when I do my standard 4 rax fe the void rays come out at about 30 supply and I don't think you would really have a chance of going that build unless you knew before hand that he was doing that. Not maybe if you were going a 3 rax build with gas at 13 you could get the tank out but it would still be close. I think the air usually comes out at about 6:30 minutes, the map would have to be pretty small to get there in time.

Isn't Tester's suggestion to push out like you would with FD, with marines out of ONE barracks, and a a tank from a factory? I don't see how this has to do 4rax or 3rax builds off 1 base.

Not sure he didn't really say what build just that you should lol and use tanks and marines and a viking. I doubt you can get all that out before they can get the void rays though.

you can.
tubs
Profile Joined March 2010
764 Posts
May 11 2010 05:49 GMT
#125
On May 11 2010 14:30 Johoseph wrote:
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On May 11 2010 14:15 tubs wrote:
No doubt in my mind that if the real flash were to play SC2 Terran, he would rape face.

But that's really just wishful thinking because it ain't going to happen anytime soon. By the time any of the top SC1 korean progamers switch to SC2 we'll be MANY patches ahead of where we are now, so I don't really see Tester's point.

Who cares if in patch 11 or whatever Terran has the greatest potential. What happens if Terran gets nerfed by patch 25 or whenever Flash finally does play SC2? Why speculate about shit that just can't happen?


Because he was asked a question, and he answered it. See that's what you do when you're interviewed. Not like he sits on a forum all day whining about shit like 90% of the people here do. He just answered a question.


I guess you don't get it either. Let me dumb it down a bit for ya. If somebody asks you a question during an interview like "what do you think the strongest race in the game would be if multi-tentacled APM happy fairies played the game?"

Well, you could answer "durrrr... if multi-tentacled fairies played the game then terran has the most potential."

Or, you could answer "Why speculate about shit that just can't happen?"
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koppik
Profile Joined April 2010
United States676 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 05:55:24
May 11 2010 05:55 GMT
#126
So, I guess the idea is that you go marine/tank and push in slow with bunkers?
condoriano
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States826 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 05:56:59
May 11 2010 05:55 GMT
#127
tubs, what are you arguing? Obviously people are talking about the current patch, because it completely changed the game balance. Terran right now is the strongest race hands down, siege tanks and thors in particular make zvt impossible. Nobody is doing mech builds yet, probably 2-3 decent players even tried it. All the "top" terrans that we've seen recently (cauthonluck, strelok etc) kept doing same old marauder marine play. I've seen tank heavy play from morrow, but he couldn't execute and he was still using many marauders there. All you need is a solid transition and a decent macro, then it's downhill.
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robopork
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States511 Posts
May 11 2010 05:56 GMT
#128
On May 11 2010 14:49 tubs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 14:30 Johoseph wrote:
On May 11 2010 14:15 tubs wrote:
No doubt in my mind that if the real flash were to play SC2 Terran, he would rape face.

But that's really just wishful thinking because it ain't going to happen anytime soon. By the time any of the top SC1 korean progamers switch to SC2 we'll be MANY patches ahead of where we are now, so I don't really see Tester's point.

Who cares if in patch 11 or whatever Terran has the greatest potential. What happens if Terran gets nerfed by patch 25 or whenever Flash finally does play SC2? Why speculate about shit that just can't happen?


Because he was asked a question, and he answered it. See that's what you do when you're interviewed. Not like he sits on a forum all day whining about shit like 90% of the people here do. He just answered a question.


I guess you don't get it either. Let me dumb it down a bit for ya. If somebody asks you a question during an interview like "what do you think the strongest race in the game would be if multi-tentacled APM happy fairies played the game?"

Well, you could answer "durrrr... if multi-tentacled fairies played the game then terran has the most potential."

Or, you could answer "Why speculate about shit that just can't happen?"


Or, this is patch eleven, not patch twenty five, and Tester was talking about really hard-core, high caliber players (which exist, believe it or not), not your fantastical gaming fairy-squid.

I guess it doesn't really matter. If it is in fact as imba as he says it is, it'll come out in time, which I guess is your point.

Your point articulated without sounding like a jack-ass.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33486 Posts
May 11 2010 05:58 GMT
#129
Korean trends have changed quite a bit, at least at the very top level. While I can't say things certainly about everything, the one thing that is for sure is that Zerg domination was over 2 weeks ago or more
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da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
May 11 2010 06:02 GMT
#130
link's not workin for me :S
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
May 11 2010 06:03 GMT
#131
^ Yes, and the point of Tester's argument is that he's not basing it on the current meta-game, he's basing it on what he projects the future meta-game to be. We'll see if he's right, I guess.
Setz3R
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States455 Posts
May 11 2010 06:07 GMT
#132
I agree on his point of view very much. I main toss, but when I play Terran I feel like I have so many options to go during a game. I feel like there are so many ways I can attack, turtle, control, contain, drop, double drop, nuke....There are a lot of options I like vs all MUs. So I really think Terran is the strongest race if you use all the units to their absolute perfect skill. Of course, that isn't me at all, but Terran potential is just through the roof, much more than Zerg or Protoss at least, in my opinion.
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ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
May 11 2010 06:33 GMT
#133
All this talk of trends made me super pumped for the game to FINALLY be out so we can have millions playing and so we can see the best of all races play (good sample sizes).

Also Artosis you are the man.
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Qwerty.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States292 Posts
May 11 2010 06:43 GMT
#134
I like how the SC2 scene in Korea still has this mysterious veil over it, hard to compare/watch players and such. Ups the anticipation for an international showdown :D
positron.
Profile Joined May 2010
634 Posts
May 11 2010 06:57 GMT
#135
Blizzard used statistics to balance the game and statistics never lie. I am sure they have enough math geniuses in there that know how to take the skill factor into account so don't even get start blaming the bad players for skewing the numbers. Funny how we see a lot of P say T is the strongest race and the reason T is not winning against P is because of bad players are playing T. Unless you have some facts to back up that reasoning then please just shut it. How the hell do you know that T are losing because of their skills not because of the race?
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
May 11 2010 06:59 GMT
#136
On May 11 2010 14:14 Fizban140 wrote:
How does a tank push work against protoss? I don't play T but can't they just use immortals and stalkers with blink?


Well in the early game the marines are a great counter to the immortals and later on the terran can get EMP to instantly take away the immortals' shield
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 07:31:56
May 11 2010 07:07 GMT
#137
On May 11 2010 14:47 robopork wrote:
I'm a little confused, are we saying that because T, relative to the other two races, is top heavy in regards to its effectiveness and skill its balance shouldn't get reevaluated? Who is honestly going to get excited about a game with pro-play that has one race mopping the floor with the other two? A lot of players, including myself, have a long way to go before we're justified in jumping out of our seats and calling imba, but if Tester says it's unbeatable at that level, that's a red flag for sure.

You misinterpreted me. I wasn't saying that balance shouldn't be re-evaluated. It was mainly directed at those people who come into this thread saying "He's right, Terran is overpowered" and give some Silver League anecdotal example to go along with it. That anecdotal example likely has nothing to do with why Terran would be extremely strong at the top levels of play, nor do the cries of the Marauder or Ghost or whatever being imbalanced in XYZ matchup (especially since the Marauder is a unit that doesn't get that much better with micro/positioning/game sense).

Basically, if one top player is saying that an extremely strong player would be able to take advantage of Terran, it's not likely to mean that Silver-level Terrans are going to be able to start tearing up everything based on racial imbalance. Nor is it going to be for some simply-explainable reason that a Silver-level player could come up with after playing the game for 3 weeks.
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Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
May 11 2010 07:11 GMT
#138
Geez, from reading the other terran threads on this forum, you'd think Terran was not even viable to play! So many "im not playing until a patch fixes zerg and protoss" type terrans in the other threads, yet Korean progamers are saying Terran is the strongest race..

I wonder who to believe.. hmmm
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bLah.
Profile Joined July 2009
Croatia497 Posts
May 11 2010 07:17 GMT
#139
On May 11 2010 16:11 Skyze wrote:
Geez, from reading the other terran threads on this forum, you'd think Terran was not even viable to play! So many "im not playing until a patch fixes zerg and protoss" type terrans in the other threads, yet Korean progamers are saying Terran is the strongest race..

I wonder who to believe.. hmmm


1 korean protoss progamer says that. That's not a fact if ONE player says that. That's only his opinion.
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
May 11 2010 07:19 GMT
#140
I thought consensus is that zerg is the best? lol
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