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Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
May 11 2010 03:52 GMT
#81
Thanks Artosis. Interesting interview, especially with TvP with void rays.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 03:55:25
May 11 2010 03:54 GMT
#82
On May 11 2010 12:32 Fayth wrote:
Terran is actually good...

it is fairly similar to broodwar actually, bio is shit against T and P....

most people are still misplaying T a lot, so am I


Would you say that a mix of bio and mech is the key, or pure mech, against P?

I guess the hp buff to tanks means that Immortals will no longer 3 shot tanks but have to fire 4 times, but +1 weapon will make it 3 shot tanks again...
billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
May 11 2010 03:58 GMT
#83
On May 11 2010 12:42 Wargizmo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 12:14 billyX333 wrote:
On May 11 2010 11:58 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 11 2010 11:34 billyX333 wrote:
On May 11 2010 11:21 TheYango wrote:
On May 11 2010 11:15 Antimage wrote:
On May 11 2010 11:15 XtrEEmMaShEEN3k2 wrote:
On May 11 2010 11:12 Ryuu314 wrote:
On May 11 2010 10:40 XtrEEmMaShEEN3k2 wrote:
*haven't watched the video yet*

I think the popular consensus is that Protoss is the best and Terran is either 2nd or 3rd.

uhhh what? what popular consensus are you talking about?

Popular consensus is that Zerg is strongest followed by either Protoss or Terran depending one what race you play.


I guess it really depends on who you ask. I was under the impression that Terrans had the advantage against Zerg, Protoss have the advantage against Terrans, and PvZ was generally even.


I don't know about ZvT, but I'd say PvZ is even and T does well against P.

Didn't Browder say that among US and EU statistics, Protoss > Terran was the heaviest apparent "imbalance"?


quite frankly im tired of all these arbitrary statistics being cited by blizzard in general as their main benchmark of whether or not the game is balanced
as far as i can tell, they take the statistics from too wide a range of a player pool
(rock paper scissors is balanced too if they go solely by this win% benchmark, so its essentially worthless info imo)

they just need to forget all statistics <1600 plat rating on NA servers
they're awful





Not really from Blizzard's perspective as they want the game balanced for every skill level.

If the game is perfectly balanced for the top 100 pros and completely imba for the 100,000+ silver, gold and platinum leaguers then it's going to make the game less successful since it will be boring in the leagues that the majority of people play in.





lol what? balanced for every skill level?

if its balanced at the highest level of play, then its balanced




Thats garbage... if one race takes 200 APM to be used effectively and others don't then most people aren't going to be able to play it no matter how much they practice. Now obviously SC2 is nowhere near that case but it's still important for Blizzard to make sure that all races can be used effectively at all skill levels.








then they should have taken that into consideration when picking a race

some players want a race which is difficult with a high ceiling of potential
others want a race with more emphasis on strategy and less on mechanics

this argument still is not making sense to me
its hard enough to fully balance the game at the highest level
how the hell (and why the hell) are they going to take every skill level into consideration
and i still dont understand how a game would be more balanced at the highest of levels and not at lower skill levels

most high gold-low platinum don't really even know standard build orders/strategies/counters
why the hell are we even going to consider their win% to balance the game?

Diaspora
Profile Joined April 2010
United States140 Posts
May 11 2010 03:59 GMT
#84
It's definetly interesting to hear that terran is definitively the best race from a player who mopped up the gosucoaching circuit. I guess the real question is who is the best terran currently?
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
May 11 2010 03:59 GMT
#85
if those guys kick so much knowledge why dont they drop some info on how to play terran

I mean, acting all tough with "bunch of newbies" talk i asume u feel cool but ...seriously?
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
arnold(soTa)
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden352 Posts
May 11 2010 04:02 GMT
#86
terran nr1 race? hows about he prove that by winning all tournaments there are WITH TERRAN NOT PROTOSS...
because I see mostly Zergs and Toss in _ALL_ the tournaments.
add to that the general oppinion among top players, atleast in EU is that P/Z > T.


also boring interview maybe interview ppl when they r not drunk/tired? minor tip
"I like turtles"
McCrank
Profile Joined March 2008
204 Posts
May 11 2010 04:03 GMT
#87
Artosis should definitely go to back to Terran so he can show us all how to play "the best race". Or is it too hard?
MayorITC
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Korea (South)798 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 04:10:38
May 11 2010 04:04 GMT
#88
On May 11 2010 12:59 Diaspora wrote:
It's definetly interesting to hear that terran is definitively the best race from a player who mopped up the gosucoaching circuit. I guess the real question is who is the best terran currently?


Hannibal?

And I think everyone arguing that current tourney results show that T is not the best race are missing Tester's point. He says Terran is the best when played by a good player.

CauthonLuck, DeMusliM, Jinro may be all top foreign players, but I don't think they're good by Tester's standards. His example was when SC1 pro-gamers play Terran in SC2, which basically means flawless mechanics and micro.
Cast
Profile Joined April 2010
United States37 Posts
May 11 2010 04:06 GMT
#89
Someone had to say it. EMP completely destroys protoss and their fancy spells annd zerg has nothing on tanks/rines/rauders.
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
May 11 2010 04:08 GMT
#90
A Protoss player has no proof, but Terran are the strongest...
AND if he could change anything about the game he would make DT and HT come out of the same building. Big surprise. Shoot... why not throw the Robotics Support Bay, HT and DT all in one! That would really rule!

Great questions Artosis. In fact, some of the best questions I think could have possibly been asked. Really good job.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
May 11 2010 04:11 GMT
#91
On May 11 2010 12:54 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 12:32 Fayth wrote:
Terran is actually good...

it is fairly similar to broodwar actually, bio is shit against T and P....

most people are still misplaying T a lot, so am I


Would you say that a mix of bio and mech is the key, or pure mech, against P?

I guess the hp buff to tanks means that Immortals will no longer 3 shot tanks but have to fire 4 times, but +1 weapon will make it 3 shot tanks again...

I think air is better vs P as of now, banshees + vikings... or I also used this thor + marines + ghost rush that worked fairly well against virtually any P opening, I haven't tried it since thor tweak though, and immortals always had to 4 shot to kill tanks cuz tank has 1 armor... I think? xD
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
May 11 2010 04:13 GMT
#92
On May 11 2010 13:06 Cast wrote:
Someone had to say it. EMP completely destroys protoss and their fancy spells annd zerg has nothing on tanks/rines/rauders.

broodlords!
Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
May 11 2010 04:14 GMT
#93
On May 11 2010 13:03 McCrank wrote:
Artosis should definitely go to back to Terran so he can show us all how to play "the best race". Or is it too hard?
Why make a sarcastic comment about Artosis about a statement Tester made...?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 04:22:57
May 11 2010 04:21 GMT
#94
On May 11 2010 13:04 MayorITC wrote:
CauthonLuck, DeMusliM, Jinro may be all top foreign players, but I don't think they're good by Tester's standards. His example was when SC1 pro-gamers play Terran in SC2, which basically means flawless mechanics and micro.

This point can't be emphasized enough.

Tester said nothing about Terran being generally better than Protoss or Zerg. For all we know, he may think they're weak at lower levels of play (though to be honest, he could probably care less). His specific point was that once they get in the hands of an extremely good player, meaning SC1 progamer caliber, they will be extremely powerful.

By extension, it seems to me that you really can't sum up the Terran's strength in a single unit like the Marauder or the Ghost. Because any bronze league player can take advantage of a shallow advantage like that.
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PROJECTILE
Profile Joined April 2010
United States226 Posts
May 11 2010 04:23 GMT
#95
I still want to see a top NA or euro terran use the build avilo was demonstrating (and the build which i've seen top korean terrans use in one variation or another). I have yet to see them really try it, and from my experience, it's incredibly powerful against every toss build i've come up against.
Ronald_McD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada807 Posts
May 11 2010 04:30 GMT
#96
Nice, he makes for very fun interviews. Damn those girls being all loud half way through the video.
FUCKING GAY LAGS
McCrank
Profile Joined March 2008
204 Posts
May 11 2010 04:33 GMT
#97
On May 11 2010 13:14 Shatter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 13:03 McCrank wrote:
Artosis should definitely go to back to Terran so he can show us all how to play "the best race". Or is it too hard?
Why make a sarcastic comment about Artosis about a statement Tester made...?


cause only chobos play terran
kyophan
Profile Joined January 2010
United States113 Posts
May 11 2010 04:38 GMT
#98
Didn't artosis say that he switched over from terran to zerg because he didn't want to deal with protoss as terran?
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 04:41:11
May 11 2010 04:40 GMT
#99
Awesome interview as always artosis. Actually decided to main Terran for a while earlier today. Will be interesting to see how it goes knowing it has the potential to be the strongest.\
I guess I should find some TvZ replays as I have no idea how to play it. TvP I wanted to experiment with ghost mech anyways so seems like its a good choice.

edit: Hey artosis if you are looking at the thread, any way to sum up what makes T so full of potential?
Leoj
Profile Joined January 2010
United States396 Posts
May 11 2010 04:47 GMT
#100
You da man Artosis!
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