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"Terran is the best race" - Tester video interview - Page 4

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sLiniss
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States849 Posts
May 11 2010 03:03 GMT
#61
I'm watching now. Thanks again Artosis!
Shenron
Profile Joined May 2010
United States105 Posts
May 11 2010 03:04 GMT
#62
Wow. Thanks, this is pretty interesting.
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Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
May 11 2010 03:06 GMT
#63
The guy's plan on how to beat a void ray seems legit. I think this was similar to a strategy I used once against the Void Ray build on Desert Oasis, but I never thought twice about it afterwards.
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SolHeiM
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1264 Posts
May 11 2010 03:11 GMT
#64
On May 11 2010 12:06 Zergneedsfood wrote:
The guy's plan on how to beat a void ray seems legit. I think this was similar to a strategy I used once against the Void Ray build on Desert Oasis, but I never thought twice about it afterwards.


I think that theoretical strat or unitcomp against void rays is pretty unbeatable. Because the void ray has only one option if he runs into that, which is to run away. If the VR decides to go for the Marines, he'll die to the Viking, and vice versa. Though a fully charged VR does rape face and viking's acceleration is slow as shit.

I've recently began playing Terran because I think they have great potential, but mostly because I want to learn them as my favorite unit is the Reaper and I enjoy being a bitch in the early game. :D
RatherGood
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada147 Posts
May 11 2010 03:11 GMT
#65
I think he's absolutely right about Terran. People are just playing it completely wrong. Tanks are strong. Stop rushing for Starports, Christ. It hurts to watch players mindlessly base all their strategies around such fragile units that are so easily counterable.
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
May 11 2010 03:14 GMT
#66
I apologize for being new to the scene and therefore while I know who Artosis is, I don't know his personality. Is he generally just really sarcastic? Bitter? Cranky?

I couldn't tell sometimes during the interview if he just held foreigners in contempt, he was just being really sarcastic, or he was just really tired and peeved after the tourney.

The interview overall was pretty decent, though the translator obviously hurts the depth to which you can really address issues. And as others have said, I don't know if it makes any sense to say that if the best players played Terran they'd never be beaten. If these players play in tournaments that dole out money for prizes, why wouldn't they go with the most OP race? If it was truly so good, why would people handicap themselves with inferior races?

I don't agree that Terran are insanely underpowered, not at all. I don't think they're overpowered and just filled with mouthbreathers, either.
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billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 03:17:30
May 11 2010 03:14 GMT
#67
On May 11 2010 11:58 Wargizmo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 11:34 billyX333 wrote:
On May 11 2010 11:21 TheYango wrote:
On May 11 2010 11:15 Antimage wrote:
On May 11 2010 11:15 XtrEEmMaShEEN3k2 wrote:
On May 11 2010 11:12 Ryuu314 wrote:
On May 11 2010 10:40 XtrEEmMaShEEN3k2 wrote:
*haven't watched the video yet*

I think the popular consensus is that Protoss is the best and Terran is either 2nd or 3rd.

uhhh what? what popular consensus are you talking about?

Popular consensus is that Zerg is strongest followed by either Protoss or Terran depending one what race you play.


I guess it really depends on who you ask. I was under the impression that Terrans had the advantage against Zerg, Protoss have the advantage against Terrans, and PvZ was generally even.


I don't know about ZvT, but I'd say PvZ is even and T does well against P.

Didn't Browder say that among US and EU statistics, Protoss > Terran was the heaviest apparent "imbalance"?


quite frankly im tired of all these arbitrary statistics being cited by blizzard in general as their main benchmark of whether or not the game is balanced
as far as i can tell, they take the statistics from too wide a range of a player pool
(rock paper scissors is balanced too if they go solely by this win% benchmark, so its essentially worthless info imo)

they just need to forget all statistics <1600 plat rating on NA servers
they're awful





Not really from Blizzard's perspective as they want the game balanced for every skill level.

If the game is perfectly balanced for the top 100 pros and completely imba for the 100,000+ silver, gold and platinum leaguers then it's going to make the game less successful since it will be boring in the leagues that the majority of people play in.





lol what? balanced for every skill level?

if its balanced at the highest level of play, then its balanced
you cant trace the losses back to bad mechanics/timing/strategy which bad players can work on

if bad players are losing, then they can work on their mechanics/strategy with more time and experience

in the beginning of beta i was about 20% zvp and 90% for other races (it wasnt balancing, it was ME)
then i learned what i was doing wrong and what i needed to change and made it my best matchup
new players are getting better continuously, making a lot of their early race vs race win% a completely worthless statistic to keep track of
this philosophy of balancing for every skill level makes absolutely no sense to me






Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
May 11 2010 03:18 GMT
#68
I watched the interview, and maybe its just me for zoning out at some points of the video, but what reasons does Tester give to back up his claims? I'm sure he has legit reasons, but I just heard a little bit about tanks, but nothing specific. Anyone elaborate? Does he mean tank drop micro/mech pushes/ghost versatility or what?
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Crt
Profile Joined November 2009
247 Posts
May 11 2010 03:19 GMT
#69
To Artosis: Can you not make comments that the interviewees won't understand (or comments that won't get translated). Ensuring the interviewees understand everything you say is in a way respecting them more.

Thanks.
Triik
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada51 Posts
May 11 2010 03:21 GMT
#70
Personally as a zerg, mmm armies are so much stronger if the terran would just throw 3-4 siege tanks during the clash, especially if they can focus on my hydras.

Seeing how helion harass is getting countered more and more against zerg FE. Siege tanks are a much better way to go. Wait until bigger maps start to go around, tanks will be horrifying.

Cant wait till Flash (ya the brood war one) lands his hands on sc2 terran.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 11 2010 03:27 GMT
#71
On May 11 2010 11:54 Ftrunkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 11:34 billyX333 wrote:
they just need to forget all statistics <1600 plat rating on NA servers
they're awful

actually im 1900 elo with about 70% win rate and i know next to nothing about this game and just win by macroing what ever units i feel like building... Very few if any people know how to properly play this game yet and we wont really know if the game is properly balanced on this current patch for atleast a few months.



Do you play protoss?
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
May 11 2010 03:29 GMT
#72
Not too sure about the whole FD thing vs void ray. If you make voids you generally camp your ramp with sentry, How is an FD going to attack that? I guess it depends on starting positions but I don't understand how you can stop the expansion that toss throws up when your units are forced to guard your main because 2-3 voids are there threatening to bust you up. Also those voids can easily turn back and help defending on most maps.

I got the feeling that maybe Tester was talking about the old void rays as he was saying that koreans were doing it early in beta but not anymore. But they got patched recently to get good against marines.

Note that I'm a random player and have no bias. It just strikes me as almost impossible to push with tanks against void rays and a ground army. Also I find it very easy to just go in with my 2-3 rays if he pushes and burn half of his his scvs while cancling my nexus and sentry turtling the ramp. How is he going to win .5 base vs 1 base?

Void rays also grow in strenght with numbers. If you have like 5 voids and a decent ground army that is SO hard to kill for terran before it totally demolishes anything he has. If he focuses the rays then he'll die to ground and if he just auto attacks my ground then his units will die too fast for the vikings to finish off the rays before everything is dead. Vikings do not kill void rays fast without support.
weeeee
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia71 Posts
May 11 2010 03:30 GMT
#73
On May 11 2010 12:11 RatherGood wrote:
I think he's absolutely right about Terran. People are just playing it completely wrong. Tanks are strong. Stop rushing for Starports, Christ. It hurts to watch players mindlessly base all their strategies around such fragile units that are so easily counterable.


Fragile units that are easily counterable? Sounds like tanks vs protoss. Vs prtosss if you don't have an early starport you die to voidrays. So its not like its a choice.
travolta
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
May 11 2010 03:32 GMT
#74
Terran is actually good...

it is fairly similar to broodwar actually, bio is shit against T and P....

most people are still misplaying T a lot, so am I
finalboss
Profile Joined May 2010
United States39 Posts
May 11 2010 03:34 GMT
#75
On May 11 2010 12:19 Crt wrote:
To Artosis: Can you not make comments that the interviewees won't understand (or comments that won't get translated). Ensuring the interviewees understand everything you say is in a way respecting them more.

Thanks.



+1
lu_cid
Profile Joined April 2008
United States428 Posts
May 11 2010 03:36 GMT
#76
I just watched the video again, and I noticed something. He said a lot of protoss players were using the void ray at the start of beta. Like, perhaps, before they were buffed? Because at that time yes you could just pump a few marines and be fine...
DJay_
Profile Joined February 2010
United States103 Posts
May 11 2010 03:38 GMT
#77
good interview. tester had alot of good thoughts on terran
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
May 11 2010 03:39 GMT
#78
So, what does this guy know that you and Idra don't? Seems to be that the spawn larvae turtle 200/200 strategy is pretty imba.
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
May 11 2010 03:42 GMT
#79
On May 11 2010 12:14 billyX333 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 11:58 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 11 2010 11:34 billyX333 wrote:
On May 11 2010 11:21 TheYango wrote:
On May 11 2010 11:15 Antimage wrote:
On May 11 2010 11:15 XtrEEmMaShEEN3k2 wrote:
On May 11 2010 11:12 Ryuu314 wrote:
On May 11 2010 10:40 XtrEEmMaShEEN3k2 wrote:
*haven't watched the video yet*

I think the popular consensus is that Protoss is the best and Terran is either 2nd or 3rd.

uhhh what? what popular consensus are you talking about?

Popular consensus is that Zerg is strongest followed by either Protoss or Terran depending one what race you play.


I guess it really depends on who you ask. I was under the impression that Terrans had the advantage against Zerg, Protoss have the advantage against Terrans, and PvZ was generally even.


I don't know about ZvT, but I'd say PvZ is even and T does well against P.

Didn't Browder say that among US and EU statistics, Protoss > Terran was the heaviest apparent "imbalance"?


quite frankly im tired of all these arbitrary statistics being cited by blizzard in general as their main benchmark of whether or not the game is balanced
as far as i can tell, they take the statistics from too wide a range of a player pool
(rock paper scissors is balanced too if they go solely by this win% benchmark, so its essentially worthless info imo)

they just need to forget all statistics <1600 plat rating on NA servers
they're awful





Not really from Blizzard's perspective as they want the game balanced for every skill level.

If the game is perfectly balanced for the top 100 pros and completely imba for the 100,000+ silver, gold and platinum leaguers then it's going to make the game less successful since it will be boring in the leagues that the majority of people play in.





lol what? balanced for every skill level?

if its balanced at the highest level of play, then its balanced




Thats garbage... if one race takes 200 APM to be used effectively and others don't then most people aren't going to be able to play it no matter how much they practice. Now obviously SC2 is nowhere near that case but it's still important for Blizzard to make sure that all races can be used effectively at all skill levels.






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MayorITC
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Korea (South)798 Posts
May 11 2010 03:50 GMT
#80
On May 11 2010 12:36 lu_cid wrote:
I just watched the video again, and I noticed something. He said a lot of protoss players were using the void ray at the start of beta. Like, perhaps, before they were buffed? Because at that time yes you could just pump a few marines and be fine...


No, he's not talking about at the start of beta. When he's talking about the counter to Void Rays, he says, "Now that siege tanks are really great...." Siege tank buff is recent so he's not talking about pre-buff Void Rays.
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