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On May 24 2010 14:06 D-Lite wrote:
haha loved this vid, has anyone else noticed a huge increase of terran on bnet since like last week when it was upped on sc4all?
I switched to Terran last week on my Euro account.
Now it's my main (and best) race.
I was getting to the point with my Toss at 1600 ish that I could not figure out ways to beat certain compositions and scenarios. So far every loss with Terran has been, oh I should have done this instead...
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thnx a lot OP, and yes, I totally agree about T being the best by far in a great players' hands. T has not only been buffed pretty much every single patch - at the same time P and Z have been nerfed every time, but they didn't even need it in the first place!! T's MMMT ball is just ridonculous and always has been. Now the buffed siege tanks r just way over the edge on top of all the crazy early harass options.
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These forums are only conflicted on the dominant race because this site has perfect memory, if someone says zerg is good the site never forgets. You can go and peruse that information and let it pollute your brain not realizing that the information is irrelevant as it was based on currently untrue premises, due to patching. Also if you think trends in the overall community accurately represent comprehensive balance you are crazy. The population that can actually analyze and represent the relative strengths through near perfect macro and micro (at least theoretically superior) is only something like 5% of the total community - the very best players. When someone who wins a competitive tourney without losing a game comments on balance you can almost be sure that what they say is going to be one hell-of-a-lot more relevant then when the loud gold and silver players come out whining about the latest gimmick that they just got destroyed by.
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On May 24 2010 21:03 FlamingTurd wrote:
thnx a lot OP, and yes, I totally agree about T being the best by far in a great players' hands. T has not only been buffed pretty much every single patch - at the same time P and Z have been nerfed every time, but they didn't even need it in the first place!! T's MMMT ball is just ridonculous and always has been. Now the buffed siege tanks r just way over the edge on top of all the crazy early harass options.
Man relative changes are not remotely like an argument about any absolute strength. Numerical example: Terran starts off at stength 5, P's strength is 15, Z's is 12.
Zerg is nerfed three times, buffed once and ends up with strength 10. Protoss is nerfed three times and ends up with strength 12. Terran is buffed four times and ends up at strength 9.
Terran is still the worst in this example although it was the only race that was consistently buffed while the others were nerfed overall.
That said, I think Terran appears poised to claim the title of dominant race but it isn't clear that Terran is the dominant race. If Bnet 2.0 becomes less of a cluster fuck and more tournaments can occur, then we'll learn something. The ladder, especially the general statistics generated by the ladder tell us nothing. Terran looks best at the moment because Siege Tanks demolish ground, and the Terran infantry is much more viable in TvP and TvT than it ever was in BW. On the other hand, Protoss has the Colossus which incinerates Terran infantry and Zerg should be able to lay down some serious production delays with the new Overseer, not to mention creating many more attacking windows when defending troops are pulled from the front to protect production buildings. Anyway there are a lot of undiscovered dynamics that will be revealed in the next few weeks of beta play and although I think Terran is the most likely to come out on top, neither my expectations or anyone else's are the truth
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Stalker, carrier and phoenix are the only P units without nerfs from the start..
I guess they are saving their nerfs for later..
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On May 24 2010 23:09 Failsafe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 21:03 FlamingTurd wrote:
thnx a lot OP, and yes, I totally agree about T being the best by far in a great players' hands. T has not only been buffed pretty much every single patch - at the same time P and Z have been nerfed every time, but they didn't even need it in the first place!! T's MMMT ball is just ridonculous and always has been. Now the buffed siege tanks r just way over the edge on top of all the crazy early harass options. Man relative changes are not remotely like an argument about any absolute strength. Numerical example: Terran starts off at stength 5, P's strength is 15, Z's is 12. Zerg is nerfed five times, buffed once and ends up with strength 8. Protoss is nerfed 13 times and ends up with strength 2. Terran is buffed 13 times and ends up at strength 18.
Fixed.
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Seems that many liquipedeans already caught the Terran virus =)
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This is all circumstancial evidence. Saying either I lose alot against Terran or I win more as Terran doesn't prove they are a better race.
Look at tourneys. When played to their fulliest potential it seems Toss is winning more. True this is more curcumstancial evidence but I'll take a progamer's play over the average joe.
Day9 said that rather than call something imba, try to figure out how to beat it. White-Ra, NonY, IdrA, Orb, TLO, Day9 and Artosis have all found ways to beat Terran. It's possible.
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I really think it should be as simple as this...
TLO, a random user for the first 10 patches, now RACEPICKS terran because it gives him the best chance to win tournaments.
Not because thats his "favorite race"... because with a strat he invented, hes about 50-2 in TvZ, beating even the top korean zergs. That is insanely retarded.
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On May 25 2010 23:57 Spidermonkey wrote:
This is all circumstancial evidence. Saying either I lose alot against Terran or I win more as Terran doesn't prove they are a better race.
Look at tourneys. When played to their fulliest potential it seems Toss is winning more. True this is more curcumstancial evidence but I'll take a progamer's play over the average joe.
Day9 said that rather than call something imba, try to figure out how to beat it. White-Ra, NonY, IdrA, Orb, TLO, Day9 and Artosis have all found ways to beat Terran. It's possible.
They also generally aren't playing against the best terrans from korea though, except for artosis and idra. I'd actually like to see white-ra or nony try their luck against them; tbh I think they'd lose.
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I love Terran, to me its the coolest race to play 
Thor's & Nuke's are simply amazing.
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On May 26 2010 00:03 Skyze wrote:
I really think it should be as simple as this...
TLO, a random user for the first 10 patches, now RACEPICKS terran because it gives him the best chance to win tournaments.
Not because thats his "favorite race"... because with a strat he invented, hes about 50-2 in TvZ, beating even the top korean zergs. That is insanely retarded.
bullshit he picks terran because its his best race , he beats even top terrans in tvts how dare u say he wins in tvz only because of advantage (do u think he plays tvt's because he feels he has racial advantege)
you are such a whinny cry baby, everywhere i see u r posts u complain about zerg being weak and underpowered even tho all recent tournaments are dominated by zergs
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On May 26 2010 00:11 lolreaper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2010 00:03 Skyze wrote:
I really think it should be as simple as this...
TLO, a random user for the first 10 patches, now RACEPICKS terran because it gives him the best chance to win tournaments.
Not because thats his "favorite race"... because with a strat he invented, hes about 50-2 in TvZ, beating even the top korean zergs. That is insanely retarded. bullshit he picks terran because its his best race , he beats even top terrans in tvts how dare u say he wins in tvz only because of advantage (do u think he plays tvt's because he feels he has racial advantege) you are such a whinny cry baby, everywhere i see u r posts u complain about zerg being weak and underpowered even tho all recent tournaments are dominated by zergs
and every post you make is crying how bad terrans are.. You are a fucking terran crybaby, stop defending your race when its VERY OBVIOUS they are the strongest, as the 16 pages here by non-biased people + every other fucking thread.
TLO picks terran because it gives him the best chance of winning. END OF STORY. Did I say he ONLY plays TvZ?? No, He can play any matchup, like TvT too, because he was a RANDOM PLAYER.. but he knows terran will win him games in the other two matchups easy, and he can play TvT decent enough to win.
Even more korean pros are switching to terran, as Artosis has said, and terrans have won every major tournament in the month of May. Show me where tournaments were "dominated" by zergs?? Just about every tournament in recent memory that has been listed on TL.net, besides the HDH has been won by a terran.
PS; Im a PROTOSS player.. why would I care if zerg is weak? I never said zerg is weak EVER, I think they will be the scariest race once the game has actual balance, but TvZ is retarded right now everyone knows that, as does TLO which is why hes beating Freedom and Check, players way better than him, with relative ease.
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ho ho holy moly the TLO fanboys are vicious.
thx for the video artosis!
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On May 26 2010 00:20 Skyze wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2010 00:11 lolreaper wrote:On May 26 2010 00:03 Skyze wrote:
I really think it should be as simple as this...
TLO, a random user for the first 10 patches, now RACEPICKS terran because it gives him the best chance to win tournaments.
Not because thats his "favorite race"... because with a strat he invented, hes about 50-2 in TvZ, beating even the top korean zergs. That is insanely retarded. bullshit he picks terran because its his best race , he beats even top terrans in tvts how dare u say he wins in tvz only because of advantage (do u think he plays tvt's because he feels he has racial advantege) you are such a whinny cry baby, everywhere i see u r posts u complain about zerg being weak and underpowered even tho all recent tournaments are dominated by zergs and every post you make is crying how bad terrans are.. You are a fucking terran crybaby, stop defending your race when its VERY OBVIOUS they are the strongest, as the 16 pages here by non-biased people + every other fucking thread. TLO picks terran because it gives him the best chance of winning. END OF STORY. Did I say he ONLY plays TvZ?? No, He can play any matchup, like TvT too, because he was a RANDOM PLAYER.. but he knows terran will win him games in the other two matchups easy, and he can play TvT decent enough to win. Even more korean pros are switching to terran, as Artosis has said, and terrans have won every major tournament in the month of May. Show me where tournaments were "dominated" by zergs?? Just about every tournament in recent memory that has been listed on TL.net, besides the HDH has been won by a terran. PS; Im a PROTOSS player.. why would I care if zerg is weak? I never said zerg is weak EVER, I think they will be the scariest race once the game has actual balance, but TvZ is retarded right now everyone knows that, as does TLO which is why hes beating Freedom and Check, players way better than him, with relative ease.
I dunno dude that statistic stuff is kinda dumb. Demuslim said Terran is weakest since the start of the beta and he isn't biased at all. I'll take his word on it.
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thx for sharing artosis!
EDIT: after watching it: this guy seems so unfriendly and unmotivated, really not funny to look at.
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On May 26 2010 00:20 Skyze wrote: Just about every tournament in recent memory that has been listed on TL.net, besides the HDH has been won by a terran.
Selective memory is a beautiful thing.
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lets take the latest biggest event : HDH. The only terran who went further than Ro16 is CauthonLuck, out in Ro8. All other Terran have been kicked in Ro16, and those Terran were (are) very talented, otherwise they wouldn't have been choosed. Thx.
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Blizzard balance makers love terran. It is ridicilous that they don't do anything with marauders. The unit that destroys anything on the ground including buildings. I was sure that TLO will pick terran. I hate that I have to play terran coz it really frustrates me when MM stimrols my army in matter of seconds eventhough I put more effort and have twice APM
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