EPTand its only one persons opinion ffs
"Terran is the best race" - Tester video interview - Page 8
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
On May 11 2010 16:17 bLah. wrote: 1 korean protoss progamer says that. That's not a fact if ONE player says that. That's only his opinion. Well. Tester.. has a LOT of weight in what he says, being a progamer. He understands balance more than people who can't even beat easy zerg/protoss on the US platinum server. Not to mention Brat_OK and Lucifron doesnt seem to be complaining how horrible Terran is, as they dominate in europe (bratOK just won that tourney) | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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OPSavioR
Sweden1465 Posts
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BrTarolg
United Kingdom3574 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On May 11 2010 15:59 Wargizmo wrote: Well in the early game the marines are a great counter to the immortals and later on the terran can get EMP to instantly take away the immortals' shield Well but what do you do if your Protoss doesnt go for early Immortals but gets Colossi instead? You are screwed then and hiding the tech is easy enough. Massive numbers of Marines can EASILY be pushed away by forcefields, so the Protoss gets to annihilate half the Marines and retreat to regenerate Shields and then take out the other half. Marines are good, but if you cant reach the opponent they are dead useless. | ||
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tenpromicro
United States119 Posts
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
On May 11 2010 16:33 Skyze wrote: Well. Tester.. has a LOT of weight in what he says, being a progamer. He understands balance more than people who can't even beat easy zerg/protoss on the US platinum server. Not to mention Brat_OK and Lucifron doesnt seem to be complaining how horrible Terran is, as they dominate in europe (bratOK just won that tourney) Yea, Lucifron isn't complaining, he just takes protoss and wins vs Terran rofl He doesn't have a LOT of weight because he didn't play terran enough. It is totally ridicoulus how every toss and zerg player thinks that terran players doesn't know how to play a game. Logic which says "there aren't terran players in top -> there are no good terran players" is so wrong in unbalanced beta. Everyone started playing at the same time, there are mostly same number of players in every race, and still, no one knows how to play 1 race? Isn't that at least a little bit suspicous? | ||
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Disastorm
United States922 Posts
On May 11 2010 17:12 bLah. wrote: Yea, Lucifron isn't complaining, he just takes protoss and wins vs Terran rofl He doesn't have a LOT of weight because he didn't play terran enough. It is totally ridicoulus how every toss and zerg player thinks that terran players doesn't know how to play a game. Logic which says "there aren't terran players in top -> there are no good terran players" is so wrong in unbalanced beta. Everyone started playing at the same time, there are mostly same number of players in every race, and still, no one knows how to play 1 race? Isn't that at least a little bit suspicous? Im not sure entirely but from what I've heard about the history of starcraft, it took years before anyone knew how to play protoss to the point that before that happened, pro gaming teams wouldn't even accept many protoss players. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On May 11 2010 17:08 tenpromicro wrote: awesome stuff! who is that dude interpreting? he's adding all these statements that tester never actually said.. It's Hwanni!! now re-translate if you so desire  i wouldn't mind reading the different translations | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 11 2010 17:17 Disastorm wrote: Im not sure entirely but from what I've heard about the history of starcraft, it took years before anyone knew how to play protoss to the point that before that happened, pro gaming teams wouldn't even accept many protoss players. The same was kinda true of Terran. Pre-Boxer, Terran wasn't very strong in PL. After people got better APM and such Terran became much more dominant. Now Terran is probably the strongest race in terms of stats and win percentage in the PL (Flash anybody?). | ||
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lolreaper
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
On May 11 2010 15:57 positron. wrote: Blizzard used statistics to balance the game and statistics never lie. I am sure they have enough math geniuses in there that know how to take the skill factor into account so don't even get start blaming the bad players for skewing the numbers. Funny how we see a lot of P say T is the strongest race and the reason T is not winning against P is because of bad players are playing T. Unless you have some facts to back up that reasoning then please just shut it. How the hell do you know that T are losing because of their skills not because of the race? Because Tester plays Terran himself. He's been off-racing as Terran a lot and obviously he's not having many troubles if he feels that Terran is the strongest race. Because Tester is exposed to Terran players a lot better than the ones in the foreign scene so he has a better gauge of races being played at their full potential. Because Protoss and Zerg players are swamed with former pro-gamers and current pro-gamers while Terran players are made up of former "good" wc3 and SC2 players. I mean no offense, but LucifroN and DeMusliM were never tops in WC3. White-Ra, Idra and Nony were all arguably top foriegn SC player at 1 point or another. What's your evidence that it's a racial issue and not a player-skill one? | ||
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lolreaper
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On May 11 2010 17:38 MayorITC wrote: Because Tester plays Terran himself. He's been off-racing as Terran a lot and obviously he's not having many troubles if he feels that Terran is the strongest race. Because Tester is exposed to Terran players a lot better than the ones in the foreign scene so he has a better gauge of races being played at their full potential. Because Protoss and Zerg players are swamed with former pro-gamers and current pro-gamers while Terran players are made up of former "good" wc3 and SC2 players. I mean no offense, but LucifroN and DeMusliM were never tops in WC3. White-Ra, Idra and Nony were all arguably top foriegn SC player at 1 point or another. What's your evidence that it's a racial issue and not a player-skill one? have u watched yesterdays hasuobs vs bratok ? do u think if bratok with his macro and micro played toss any terran would stand a chance? i mean even bratok himself wouldnt do shit as T considering hasuobs was holding his ground and every game was increadibly close even tho he never build more than 6 gates and had 1,5k++ minerals even at 8 min mark. (he even admited that he was being outplayed badly). | ||
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
On the flip side, let's line up the people who are saying Terran is weak: - A bunch of TLers, most who use their own personal experiences in Silver Division to explain how Protoss is overpowered - A few tournament entrees who were decent gamers in other games, but never the top player. I'm sorry, but I find the ONE person far more credible. Numbers, alone, don't mean anything because I'm sure Tester has far more experience of high-level play than all the naysayers combined. Until Hannibal or someone of equal credibility as Tester says that Terran is weak, logic is going to side with the better SC2 authority. | ||
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GoDannY
Germany442 Posts
On May 11 2010 17:38 MayorITC wrote: Because Tester plays Terran himself. He's been off-racing as Terran a lot and obviously he's not having many troubles if he feels that Terran is the strongest race. Because Tester is exposed to Terran players a lot better than the ones in the foreign scene so he has a better gauge of races being played at their full potential. Because Protoss and Zerg players are swamed with former pro-gamers and current pro-gamers while Terran players are made up of former "good" wc3 and SC2 players. I mean no offense, but LucifroN and DeMusliM were never tops in WC3. White-Ra, Idra and Nony were all arguably top foriegn SC player at 1 point or another. What's your evidence that it's a racial issue and not a player-skill one? I guess you really have a point here. Since WC3 and SC:BW were the closest comparable games to SC2 I really suppose a huge gap between those players when it comes to experience. Take Idra or Nony for instance, these guys have hell a lot of experience how to play this game. Furthermore, if you glance at Jinro's overall performance on Zotac, Terran is totally awesome and - furthermore A LOT more entertaining to watch. I mean, in the finals we saw something this likes happens a lot in ladder games - Terran goes a rather aggressive build (tanks and rines), miss-micro's and gets demolished by a 4gate push. If I'm not mistaken Jinro even admited that he could've done much better in that games (overlooking a proxy pylon happens to the best of us  , tough his play in previous matches was totally awesome and has shown a lot of strength.I kinda agree that Blizzard might should take an extra month just to get a deeper look at the details. For instance, phoenix are still rarely used, tough the got a HUGE change. That's because only a few players figured out useful ways to integrate them in a stable build. b2t: I think strong WC3 give SC2 a nice touch when it comes to their playstyle, tough the "old" BW-way-how-to-handle-the-game of professionals (mainly in Korea, but also foreigners like Jinro, Nony etc.) seem to figure out more stable builds that fit to the strength of the race and are not that "just macro or just micro" intense strategies (for instance - 3 bunker FE build). | ||
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tenpromicro
United States119 Posts
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On May 11 2010 14:15 GreyCone wrote: I can't stand how snotty Artosis sounds in this interview. He has some false air of superiority that I don't like to hear. It is cool that he has the ability to interview players like this that most of us wouldn't have access to, but some of his comments seem so elitist. Anyone else feel the same way? Kind of feel the same way. Though an interesting interview, this really distracted. Partly that's because of what was mentioned earlier in the thread: he gives a lot of extra comments the interviewee won't understand-- will not get translated. Still an interesting thought and I do believe Terrans are doing better and are learning to adapt more. Too much emphasis was on the fast expand mass marine/marauder build, at least outside of Asia. Party to the dumb 'chobo' and 'newbie' comments too. | ||
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tenpromicro
United States119 Posts
On May 11 2010 18:09 MorroW wrote: haha gotta check this out. really happy the koreans r starting to play sc2 watch the PlayXP tournament VOD.. koreans are NOT playing sc2. half the people didn't show up to the tournament and the entire audience was empty.. like i'd say 400 chairs were all empty.. players that dindt live in seoul dind't bother making the trip either.. i dont know if there was a low prize purse or they just don't care yet? who knows.. looks like the lead sponsor was razer so prize money was probably good | ||
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