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EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
May 11 2010 07:25 GMT
#141
Terran is strong they just have more precise unit combos and have more defined counter to things, just like in sc1 terran is the most technical race. The truth is siege tanks never really sucked, people just didn't bother to find good timings/combos with them. I personally think blizzard should lay off the balance patches for a bit and start taking a real close look at the balance/meta-game for a month instead of all these little changes that might just complicate things further

and its only one persons opinion ffs
savior did nothing wrong
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
May 11 2010 07:33 GMT
#142
On May 11 2010 16:17 bLah. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 16:11 Skyze wrote:
Geez, from reading the other terran threads on this forum, you'd think Terran was not even viable to play! So many "im not playing until a patch fixes zerg and protoss" type terrans in the other threads, yet Korean progamers are saying Terran is the strongest race..

I wonder who to believe.. hmmm


1 korean protoss progamer says that. That's not a fact if ONE player says that. That's only his opinion.


Well. Tester.. has a LOT of weight in what he says, being a progamer. He understands balance more than people who can't even beat easy zerg/protoss on the US platinum server.

Not to mention Brat_OK and Lucifron doesnt seem to be complaining how horrible Terran is, as they dominate in europe (bratOK just won that tourney)
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 07:34:10
May 11 2010 07:34 GMT
#143
nm
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OPSavioR
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1465 Posts
May 11 2010 07:44 GMT
#144
Nice artosis contributing as usual!
i dunno lol
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
May 11 2010 07:59 GMT
#145
I'm gonna be releasing some detailed videos on voidray and this particular terran build in a few days with me and my friend playing loads and LOADS of games of this build showing how strong it is ^^
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
May 11 2010 08:00 GMT
#146
On May 11 2010 15:59 Wargizmo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 14:14 Fizban140 wrote:
How does a tank push work against protoss? I don't play T but can't they just use immortals and stalkers with blink?


Well in the early game the marines are a great counter to the immortals and later on the terran can get EMP to instantly take away the immortals' shield

Well but what do you do if your Protoss doesnt go for early Immortals but gets Colossi instead? You are screwed then and hiding the tech is easy enough. Massive numbers of Marines can EASILY be pushed away by forcefields, so the Protoss gets to annihilate half the Marines and retreat to regenerate Shields and then take out the other half. Marines are good, but if you cant reach the opponent they are dead useless.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
tenpromicro
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States119 Posts
May 11 2010 08:08 GMT
#147
awesome stuff! who is that dude interpreting? he's adding all these statements that tester never actually said..
bLah.
Profile Joined July 2009
Croatia497 Posts
May 11 2010 08:12 GMT
#148
On May 11 2010 16:33 Skyze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 16:17 bLah. wrote:
On May 11 2010 16:11 Skyze wrote:
Geez, from reading the other terran threads on this forum, you'd think Terran was not even viable to play! So many "im not playing until a patch fixes zerg and protoss" type terrans in the other threads, yet Korean progamers are saying Terran is the strongest race..

I wonder who to believe.. hmmm


1 korean protoss progamer says that. That's not a fact if ONE player says that. That's only his opinion.


Well. Tester.. has a LOT of weight in what he says, being a progamer. He understands balance more than people who can't even beat easy zerg/protoss on the US platinum server.

Not to mention Brat_OK and Lucifron doesnt seem to be complaining how horrible Terran is, as they dominate in europe (bratOK just won that tourney)


Yea, Lucifron isn't complaining, he just takes protoss and wins vs Terran rofl

He doesn't have a LOT of weight because he didn't play terran enough. It is totally ridicoulus how every toss and zerg player thinks that terran players doesn't know how to play a game. Logic which says "there aren't terran players in top -> there are no good terran players" is so wrong in unbalanced beta. Everyone started playing at the same time, there are mostly same number of players in every race, and still, no one knows how to play 1 race? Isn't that at least a little bit suspicous?

Disastorm
Profile Joined January 2008
United States922 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 08:17:47
May 11 2010 08:17 GMT
#149
On May 11 2010 17:12 bLah. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 16:33 Skyze wrote:
On May 11 2010 16:17 bLah. wrote:
On May 11 2010 16:11 Skyze wrote:
Geez, from reading the other terran threads on this forum, you'd think Terran was not even viable to play! So many "im not playing until a patch fixes zerg and protoss" type terrans in the other threads, yet Korean progamers are saying Terran is the strongest race..

I wonder who to believe.. hmmm


1 korean protoss progamer says that. That's not a fact if ONE player says that. That's only his opinion.


Well. Tester.. has a LOT of weight in what he says, being a progamer. He understands balance more than people who can't even beat easy zerg/protoss on the US platinum server.

Not to mention Brat_OK and Lucifron doesnt seem to be complaining how horrible Terran is, as they dominate in europe (bratOK just won that tourney)


Yea, Lucifron isn't complaining, he just takes protoss and wins vs Terran rofl

He doesn't have a LOT of weight because he didn't play terran enough. It is totally ridicoulus how every toss and zerg player thinks that terran players doesn't know how to play a game. Logic which says "there aren't terran players in top -> there are no good terran players" is so wrong in unbalanced beta. Everyone started playing at the same time, there are mostly same number of players in every race, and still, no one knows how to play 1 race? Isn't that at least a little bit suspicous?



Im not sure entirely but from what I've heard about the history of starcraft, it took years before anyone knew how to play protoss to the point that before that happened, pro gaming teams wouldn't even accept many protoss players.
"Don't worry so much man. There won't be any more zergs left to QQ. Lots of QQ about TvT is incoming though I bet." - Vrok 9/21/10
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
May 11 2010 08:26 GMT
#150
On May 11 2010 17:08 tenpromicro wrote:
awesome stuff! who is that dude interpreting? he's adding all these statements that tester never actually said..


It's Hwanni!!

now re-translate if you so desire
i wouldn't mind reading the different translations
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
May 11 2010 08:30 GMT
#151
On May 11 2010 17:17 Disastorm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 17:12 bLah. wrote:
On May 11 2010 16:33 Skyze wrote:
On May 11 2010 16:17 bLah. wrote:
On May 11 2010 16:11 Skyze wrote:
Geez, from reading the other terran threads on this forum, you'd think Terran was not even viable to play! So many "im not playing until a patch fixes zerg and protoss" type terrans in the other threads, yet Korean progamers are saying Terran is the strongest race..

I wonder who to believe.. hmmm


1 korean protoss progamer says that. That's not a fact if ONE player says that. That's only his opinion.


Well. Tester.. has a LOT of weight in what he says, being a progamer. He understands balance more than people who can't even beat easy zerg/protoss on the US platinum server.

Not to mention Brat_OK and Lucifron doesnt seem to be complaining how horrible Terran is, as they dominate in europe (bratOK just won that tourney)


Yea, Lucifron isn't complaining, he just takes protoss and wins vs Terran rofl

He doesn't have a LOT of weight because he didn't play terran enough. It is totally ridicoulus how every toss and zerg player thinks that terran players doesn't know how to play a game. Logic which says "there aren't terran players in top -> there are no good terran players" is so wrong in unbalanced beta. Everyone started playing at the same time, there are mostly same number of players in every race, and still, no one knows how to play 1 race? Isn't that at least a little bit suspicous?



Im not sure entirely but from what I've heard about the history of starcraft, it took years before anyone knew how to play protoss to the point that before that happened, pro gaming teams wouldn't even accept many protoss players.

The same was kinda true of Terran. Pre-Boxer, Terran wasn't very strong in PL. After people got better APM and such Terran became much more dominant. Now Terran is probably the strongest race in terms of stats and win percentage in the PL (Flash anybody?).
lolreaper
Profile Joined April 2010
301 Posts
May 11 2010 08:31 GMT
#152
complete load of crap full of theorycrafting
MayorITC
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Korea (South)798 Posts
May 11 2010 08:38 GMT
#153
On May 11 2010 15:57 positron. wrote:
Blizzard used statistics to balance the game and statistics never lie. I am sure they have enough math geniuses in there that know how to take the skill factor into account so don't even get start blaming the bad players for skewing the numbers. Funny how we see a lot of P say T is the strongest race and the reason T is not winning against P is because of bad players are playing T. Unless you have some facts to back up that reasoning then please just shut it. How the hell do you know that T are losing because of their skills not because of the race?


Because Tester plays Terran himself. He's been off-racing as Terran a lot and obviously he's not having many troubles if he feels that Terran is the strongest race. Because Tester is exposed to Terran players a lot better than the ones in the foreign scene so he has a better gauge of races being played at their full potential.

Because Protoss and Zerg players are swamed with former pro-gamers and current pro-gamers while Terran players are made up of former "good" wc3 and SC2 players.

I mean no offense, but LucifroN and DeMusliM were never tops in WC3. White-Ra, Idra and Nony were all arguably top foriegn SC player at 1 point or another.

What's your evidence that it's a racial issue and not a player-skill one?
lolreaper
Profile Joined April 2010
301 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 09:02:53
May 11 2010 08:47 GMT
#154
On May 11 2010 17:38 MayorITC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 15:57 positron. wrote:
Blizzard used statistics to balance the game and statistics never lie. I am sure they have enough math geniuses in there that know how to take the skill factor into account so don't even get start blaming the bad players for skewing the numbers. Funny how we see a lot of P say T is the strongest race and the reason T is not winning against P is because of bad players are playing T. Unless you have some facts to back up that reasoning then please just shut it. How the hell do you know that T are losing because of their skills not because of the race?


Because Tester plays Terran himself. He's been off-racing as Terran a lot and obviously he's not having many troubles if he feels that Terran is the strongest race. Because Tester is exposed to Terran players a lot better than the ones in the foreign scene so he has a better gauge of races being played at their full potential.

Because Protoss and Zerg players are swamed with former pro-gamers and current pro-gamers while Terran players are made up of former "good" wc3 and SC2 players.

I mean no offense, but LucifroN and DeMusliM were never tops in WC3. White-Ra, Idra and Nony were all arguably top foriegn SC player at 1 point or another.

What's your evidence that it's a racial issue and not a player-skill one?

have u watched yesterdays hasuobs vs bratok ?
do u think if bratok with his macro and micro played toss any terran would stand a chance? i mean even bratok himself wouldnt do shit as T considering hasuobs was holding his ground and every game was increadibly close even tho he never build more than 6 gates and had 1,5k++ minerals even at 8 min mark. (he even admited that he was being outplayed badly).
MayorITC
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Korea (South)798 Posts
May 11 2010 09:04 GMT
#155
And did you watch the video? I'm not the one saying that Terran is the best race. Tester, someone who just shitted all over the foreign SC2 competition by going undefeated in the GosuCoaching Weekly #2, says that Terran is the best race.

On the flip side, let's line up the people who are saying Terran is weak:
- A bunch of TLers, most who use their own personal experiences in Silver Division to explain how Protoss is overpowered
- A few tournament entrees who were decent gamers in other games, but never the top player.

I'm sorry, but I find the ONE person far more credible. Numbers, alone, don't mean anything because I'm sure Tester has far more experience of high-level play than all the naysayers combined. Until Hannibal or someone of equal credibility as Tester says that Terran is weak, logic is going to side with the better SC2 authority.
GoDannY
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany442 Posts
May 11 2010 09:06 GMT
#156
On May 11 2010 17:38 MayorITC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 15:57 positron. wrote:
Blizzard used statistics to balance the game and statistics never lie. I am sure they have enough math geniuses in there that know how to take the skill factor into account so don't even get start blaming the bad players for skewing the numbers. Funny how we see a lot of P say T is the strongest race and the reason T is not winning against P is because of bad players are playing T. Unless you have some facts to back up that reasoning then please just shut it. How the hell do you know that T are losing because of their skills not because of the race?


Because Tester plays Terran himself. He's been off-racing as Terran a lot and obviously he's not having many troubles if he feels that Terran is the strongest race. Because Tester is exposed to Terran players a lot better than the ones in the foreign scene so he has a better gauge of races being played at their full potential.

Because Protoss and Zerg players are swamed with former pro-gamers and current pro-gamers while Terran players are made up of former "good" wc3 and SC2 players.

I mean no offense, but LucifroN and DeMusliM were never tops in WC3. White-Ra, Idra and Nony were all arguably top foriegn SC player at 1 point or another.

What's your evidence that it's a racial issue and not a player-skill one?


I guess you really have a point here. Since WC3 and SC:BW were the closest comparable games to SC2 I really suppose a huge gap between those players when it comes to experience. Take Idra or Nony for instance, these guys have hell a lot of experience how to play this game. Furthermore, if you glance at Jinro's overall performance on Zotac, Terran is totally awesome and
- furthermore A LOT more entertaining to watch.

I mean, in the finals we saw something this likes happens a lot in ladder games - Terran goes a rather aggressive build (tanks and rines), miss-micro's and gets demolished by a 4gate push. If I'm not mistaken Jinro even admited that he could've done much better in that games (overlooking a proxy pylon happens to the best of us , tough his play in previous matches was totally awesome and has shown a lot of strength.

I kinda agree that Blizzard might should take an extra month just to get a deeper look at the details. For instance, phoenix are still rarely used, tough the got a HUGE change. That's because only a few players figured out useful ways to integrate them in a stable build.

b2t: I think strong WC3 give SC2 a nice touch when it comes to their playstyle, tough the "old" BW-way-how-to-handle-the-game of professionals (mainly in Korea, but also foreigners like Jinro, Nony etc.) seem to figure out more stable builds that fit to the strength of the race and are not that "just macro or just micro" intense strategies (for instance - 3 bunker FE build).
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tenpromicro
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States119 Posts
May 11 2010 09:07 GMT
#157
Damn great shit Artosis, really enjoying some of your videos. Check out the PlayXP tournament, it's pretty awesome. Some great interviews, and live VODing, etc. Pretty awesome. LOL @ Tester saying that Americans have a weak early game and dies to his harasses
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
May 11 2010 09:09 GMT
#158
haha gotta check this out. really happy the koreans r starting to play sc2
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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 09:17:19
May 11 2010 09:11 GMT
#159
On May 11 2010 14:15 GreyCone wrote:
I can't stand how snotty Artosis sounds in this interview. He has some false air of superiority that I don't like to hear. It is cool that he has the ability to interview players like this that most of us wouldn't have access to, but some of his comments seem so elitist. Anyone else feel the same way?

Kind of feel the same way. Though an interesting interview, this really distracted. Partly that's because of what was mentioned earlier in the thread: he gives a lot of extra comments the interviewee won't understand-- will not get translated.

Still an interesting thought and I do believe Terrans are doing better and are learning to adapt more. Too much emphasis was on the fast expand mass marine/marauder build, at least outside of Asia. Party to the dumb 'chobo' and 'newbie' comments too.
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tenpromicro
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States119 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 09:12:11
May 11 2010 09:11 GMT
#160
On May 11 2010 18:09 MorroW wrote:
haha gotta check this out. really happy the koreans r starting to play sc2


watch the PlayXP tournament VOD.. koreans are NOT playing sc2. half the people didn't show up to the tournament and the entire audience was empty.. like i'd say 400 chairs were all empty..

players that dindt live in seoul dind't bother making the trip either.. i dont know if there was a low prize purse or they just don't care yet? who knows.. looks like the lead sponsor was razer so prize money was probably good
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