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MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 12:08:22
May 11 2010 12:06 GMT
#181
artosis asking the best questions as usual

and ye terran got so much stronger in patch 11
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
rockslave
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Brazil318 Posts
May 11 2010 12:07 GMT
#182
On May 11 2010 18:04 MayorITC wrote:
And did you watch the video? I'm not the one saying that Terran is the best race. Tester, someone who just shitted all over the foreign SC2 competition by going undefeated in the GosuCoaching Weekly #2, says that Terran is the best race.

On the flip side, let's line up the people who are saying Terran is weak:
- A bunch of TLers, most who use their own personal experiences in Silver Division to explain how Protoss is overpowered
- A few tournament entrees who were decent gamers in other games, but never the top player.

I'm sorry, but I find the ONE person far more credible. Numbers, alone, don't mean anything because I'm sure Tester has far more experience of high-level play than all the naysayers combined. Until Hannibal or someone of equal credibility as Tester says that Terran is weak, logic is going to side with the better SC2 authority.


What you are saying is: of all the very good players, none chose to play Terran. That is absurd.
What qxc said.
Snowfield
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1289 Posts
May 11 2010 12:35 GMT
#183
The #1 Protoss thinks terran is the best. Shocking news
Bane_
Profile Joined October 2005
United Kingdom494 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 12:54:29
May 11 2010 12:53 GMT
#184
Thanks for doing the interview Artosis, it's great how you give us a window into the Korean community like this.

On May 11 2010 18:11 tenpromicro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 18:09 MorroW wrote:
haha gotta check this out. really happy the koreans r starting to play sc2


watch the PlayXP tournament VOD.. koreans are NOT playing sc2. half the people didn't show up to the tournament and the entire audience was empty.. like i'd say 400 chairs were all empty..

players that dindt live in seoul dind't bother making the trip either.. i dont know if there was a low prize purse or they just don't care yet? who knows.. looks like the lead sponsor was razer so prize money was probably good


The turnout for that event may have been pretty poor but that doesn't mean there isn't a huge buzz around the game. I mean check out the lineups for the two new teams announced on PlayXP recently:

Prime - http://playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=1952688
Terran
Dayfly [이중헌]
Maka (곽한얼)
Hannibal (김동욱)
Myth (김성연)

Zerg
Gerrard [박외식]
Check (이형주)
Junwisam (박경락)
Cezzane (김정환)
Cosmic (이장솔)

Protoss
Lui (황연택)
Vivalavida (추승호)
Topspeed (강윤석)
Anypro (이정환)
Foris (오창정)

Random
Hiki (정인호)


Old Generations - http://playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=1954162
Protoss
Spunky (황규훈)
sSKS (서기수)
SiLveR (심소명)
VicaL (김선묵)
InCa (송준혁)

Zerg
과일장수 (김원기)
TheWind (박상익)
SiRaSoNi (이재항)
SoO (이광수)
Rain / BlueMassage (민광현)
박용욱 (이창훈)
FreeDom (장용석)
zenio (최정민)

Terran
oGsGon / Feeling (김성곤)
NCYellow (김성제)
TheStC (최연식)
ENSNARE (김상철)

Random
GARIMTO (김동수)

Look at all the ex-pros, from both sc and wc3. :o
DimZ
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom30 Posts
May 11 2010 12:59 GMT
#185
Awesome interview, Thanks Artosis
[DUF]MethodMan
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany1716 Posts
May 11 2010 13:04 GMT
#186
On May 11 2010 21:35 Snowfield wrote:
The #1 Protoss thinks terran is the best. Shocking news


Despite them not being random kids on a forum bitching about balance.
miniwheats
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada187 Posts
May 11 2010 13:13 GMT
#187
I laughed and loved his first response to the counter void ray question.
"Don't disturb my Circles!" -Archimedes
pyr0ma5ta
Profile Joined May 2010
United States458 Posts
May 11 2010 13:15 GMT
#188
I thought Zerg was the best race in Korea. Strange.
"I made you a zergling, but I eated it." - Defiler
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 13:18:58
May 11 2010 13:16 GMT
#189
Such an arrogant attitude towards the europe and US server, "So tester, whos the best player in the world? On Korean server obviously since thats where you play."

Really ticks me off when you make these bold statements when there is zero proof that koreans are actually better than the european/US top players.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
lu_cid
Profile Joined April 2008
United States428 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 13:44:00
May 11 2010 13:26 GMT
#190
On May 11 2010 21:06 MayorITC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 20:28 lu_cid wrote:
Ok, so what happens if you get to the protoss base with your "FD" push and see the toss made a robo instead of a stargate? So the toss has something like 1-2 zealots, 1-2 stalkers, an immortal, and maybe a setry? You will obviously lose the fight, and probably in fact lose your tank and handful of marines. Since you have no mines to protect your push it will be basically impossible to retreat. The FD push in Broodwar is only possible because of the mines, so really making a fact/port and pushing out seems like a really bad idea in SC2 tvp.


Then don't do it and keep bitching about how Terran is imbalanced. First of all, you're making up random numbers because you gave Protoss about 1250 minerals and 400 gas of stuff (Robo, 2 gateways, 2 zealots, 2 stalkers, Sentry, Immortal) versus Terran who has 700 minerals and 250 gas of stuff (Factory, Tech Lab, Barracks, Siege Tank, 5 Marines) when they're at the same tech level. Furthermore, all the points you brought up has been addressed in the video so I suggest you re-watch it.

But in case you're more of a visual person than audio, let me summarize the points for you. You obviously don't build the starport unless you have good reason to believe that the protoss player is going Void Rays. Also, the only units that Protoss has that can outrun the Terran army are stalkers. Contrary to popular belief, 2 stalkers aren't going to destroy an entire army in retreat.

Feel free to theorycraft all you want, but don't be making up random shit just cause you're so adamant in your belief that Terran is a gimped race.


Wow somebody's sensitive. I wasn't attacking you, rather his proposed terran build. I never "bitched" about terran being imbalanced, way to make stuff up. I'm just not going to accept everything Tester said as absolute truth just because he was a bw pro. Secondly, you substituted 2 for all of my 1 or 2s, but yes the toss will have more army when you take into account the travel time to his base. Good job adding up the resources though. Two stalkers will be enough to pick off the marines if the toss chases and you don't stop and fight, and he will chase if he sees your tank and has an immortal. Yes I was theory crafting but so are you. I haven't tried the build, but obviously neither have you. In the interview he doesn't mention fast robo, just stalkers, in which case I imagine you could still easily lose your units. What I should have added is that even if this build did work it still wouldn't put you in a particularly favorable position. Also, he does say something about "sieging up" if there are a lot of stalkers so I guess you would need to take siege mode into account.

Edit: One of the major reasons I don't want to siege expand in this game is the possibility of a blink build, which this terran build is NOT robust to.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
May 11 2010 13:38 GMT
#191
On May 11 2010 22:16 Senx wrote:
Such an arrogant attitude towards the europe and US server, "So tester, whos the best player in the world? On Korean server obviously since thats where you play."

Really ticks me off when you make these bold statements when there is zero proof that koreans are actually better than the european/US top players.


You needed to pay more attention in reading comprehension, it might have transfered over to speech recognition and the likes.

He was saying who do you think the best player is? On the Korean servers, of course, since that's where you play (and here comes the IMPLIED PART which you have to INFER using your BRAIN) [and can't make any judgments about the other gateways].
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Smikis
Profile Joined April 2010
Lithuania117 Posts
May 11 2010 13:54 GMT
#192
On May 11 2010 10:47 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 10:47 lu_cid wrote:
nice interview.

Pretty bold to say that terran is the strongest without any good players to back it up though...

You've never seen Maka play?



but terran is strongest.. maybe you should open ur eyes
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 14:20:05
May 11 2010 14:04 GMT
#193
On May 11 2010 22:38 itzbrandnew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 22:16 Senx wrote:
Such an arrogant attitude towards the europe and US server, "So tester, whos the best player in the world? On Korean server obviously since thats where you play."

Really ticks me off when you make these bold statements when there is zero proof that koreans are actually better than the european/US top players.


You needed to pay more attention in reading comprehension, it might have transfered over to speech recognition and the likes.

He was saying who do you think the best player is? On the Korean servers, of course, since that's where you play (and here comes the IMPLIED PART which you have to INFER using your BRAIN) [and can't make any judgments about the other gateways].


What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't word it exactly like artosis said it but here's the exact quote:

"Who are the worlds best? Which players do you really respect out of the korean server?"

He also asked tester if he is the worlds best player, where he could have asked if he was koreas best player, and who koreas best players are, since you can't make that kind of comparison without any real international tournaments yet.

So yes, he did IMPLY that korea has the worlds best players.

Stop trolling please.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
miniwheats
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada187 Posts
May 11 2010 14:11 GMT
#194
Not a bad implication considering sc:bw history. anyways girls, stop fighting. It is cutting into tea time.
"Don't disturb my Circles!" -Archimedes
yema1
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland101 Posts
May 11 2010 14:15 GMT
#195
How will we know who is the best player when we can't play cross servers nor LAN? :/
Dont tread on me
Papillon
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany131 Posts
May 11 2010 14:24 GMT
#196
some interesting information thx for the interview
so the secret lies in the viking plus a good timing push to defend void ray harass

not that i thought it was too powerful also liked early stim against this
iounas
Profile Joined July 2008
409 Posts
May 11 2010 14:25 GMT
#197
On May 11 2010 23:15 yema1 wrote:
How will we know who is the best player when we can't play cross servers nor LAN? :/


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IdrA: stalkers actually do negative damage. when you shoot a marine with a stalker it gains health.
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
May 11 2010 15:52 GMT
#198
On May 11 2010 21:35 Snowfield wrote:
The #1 Protoss thinks terran is the best. Shocking news


I'm willing to give the #1 Protoss the benefit of the doubt. It's funny to me so many people here aren't. Forgive me for giving Tester's opinion a little more weight than most.
STX Fighting!
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
May 11 2010 15:58 GMT
#199
On May 11 2010 19:39 MayorITC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 18:38 Kyuki wrote:
Some interesting thoughts from Tester, but it really feels like he thinks you can get siegemode marines tanks AND vikings when voidrays hit you, and the proceedes to say that it's too hard to tech to DT and HTs due to it having mulitple tech building reqs

Kinda contradicting what he's saying since the same logic should apply to Terran in these types of circumstances.

Regardless there are probably alot of small bits of truth to what he's saying, but I deffo dont agree that Terran is OP in the right hands (theoretically).

Thanks for the interview Artosis



He meant non-siege tanks for the FD push. If your opponent went Voids, you should be able to push into his base and at that point you get Vikings when you see the Void.

Factory - 100
Tank - 125
Star - 100
Viking - 75

Stargate - 150
Void Ray - 150

400 gas versus 300 gas assuming protoss went 0 stalkers/sentries.

He also said that Dark Templars should be an upgrade in high templar archives, instead of a completely seperate building.


Yeah that makes more sense, it didnt come out like that because he mentioned bunkers and siegemode behind the bunkers in the same senstance.
And having it as a upgrade in the Archive seems like a "solution" making abit more sense.

I dont speak korean, I merely listened to the translation in the video.
Mada Mada Dane
prodigy.dts
Profile Joined April 2010
United States35 Posts
May 11 2010 16:03 GMT
#200
On May 11 2010 14:15 GreyCone wrote:
I can't stand how snotty Artosis sounds in this interview. He has some false air of superiority that I don't like to hear. It is cool that he has the ability to interview players like this that most of us wouldn't have access to, but some of his comments seem so elitist. Anyone else feel the same way?


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