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On May 12 2010 02:20 tenpromicro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 02:16 HeyheyLBJ wrote:On May 12 2010 01:35 billyX333 wrote:
lol, why are so many people upset about artosis's attitude towards NA/EU?
Well, Artosis is himself not a very good player, but he thinks he is because he plays with koreans all day. He wants to be one of them so badly. He desperately rides the korean wave despite not having accomplished anything himself. He comes across as a big dork to me. I think what he said was fair.. I don't think there are many mechanically sound NA players.. Even if you watch the top players in US/CA you still see tons of mistakes
well being mechanically good doesnt mean so much in sc2
i think its disrespectful of artosis to assume that the asians r better then EU and US just because they won so far against them and that koreans were rly good at sc1. sure its a logical conclusion with some backup to it but i still think its wrong to just throw that out like that in an interview
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zerg is the strongest now (they were the weakest in SC1 so blizzard clearly buffed them up. also, why else would artosis and that bm noob idra switch to zerg? they know z is op now)
terran is the 2nd strongest (since tester thinks so)
protoss is the weakest because their air units suck (phoenix is new scout) and storm is wimpy now.
'nuff said
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On May 12 2010 02:25 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 02:20 tenpromicro wrote:On May 12 2010 02:16 HeyheyLBJ wrote:On May 12 2010 01:35 billyX333 wrote:
lol, why are so many people upset about artosis's attitude towards NA/EU?
Well, Artosis is himself not a very good player, but he thinks he is because he plays with koreans all day. He wants to be one of them so badly. He desperately rides the korean wave despite not having accomplished anything himself. He comes across as a big dork to me. I think what he said was fair.. I don't think there are many mechanically sound NA players.. Even if you watch the top players in US/CA you still see tons of mistakes well being mechanically good doesnt mean so much in sc2 i think its disrespectful of artosis to assume that the asians r better then EU and US just because they won so far against them and that koreans were rly good at sc1. sure its a logical conclusion with some backup to it but i still think its wrong to just throw that out like that in an interview
how is it disrespectful when tester mauled his way through the competition?
not saying i agree with what artosis said, but the fact that tester basically looked like he was having a walk in the park while beating some of the better foreigners out there does lend some credibility to the whole koreans > anyone else thing
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On May 12 2010 02:16 HeyheyLBJ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 01:35 billyX333 wrote:
lol, why are so many people upset about artosis's attitude towards NA/EU?
Well, Artosis is himself not a very good player, but he thinks he is because he plays with koreans all day. He wants to be one of them so badly. He desperately rides the korean wave despite not having accomplished anything himself. He comes across as a big dork to me.
you're not serious are you? artosis was consistently one of the top 10-15 american players for the greater part of the last decade
maybe you mean compared to other koreans? then yeah hes nothing special
or maybe you mean in sc2? well the game is in beta so i'd reserve your opinions
i've never liked artosis personally but i can definitely appreciate his bw merits
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On May 11 2010 12:29 StarBrift wrote:
Not too sure about the whole FD thing vs void ray. If you make voids you generally camp your ramp with sentry, How is an FD going to attack that? I guess it depends on starting positions but I don't understand how you can stop the expansion that toss throws up when your units are forced to guard your main because 2-3 voids are there threatening to bust you up. Also those voids can easily turn back and help defending on most maps.
I got the feeling that maybe Tester was talking about the old void rays as he was saying that koreans were doing it early in beta but not anymore. But they got patched recently to get good against marines.
Note that I'm a random player and have no bias. It just strikes me as almost impossible to push with tanks against void rays and a ground army. Also I find it very easy to just go in with my 2-3 rays if he pushes and burn half of his his scvs while cancling my nexus and sentry turtling the ramp. How is he going to win .5 base vs 1 base?
Void rays also grow in strenght with numbers. If you have like 5 voids and a decent ground army that is SO hard to kill for terran before it totally demolishes anything he has. If he focuses the rays then he'll die to ground and if he just auto attacks my ground then his units will die too fast for the vikings to finish off the rays before everything is dead. Vikings do not kill void rays fast without support.
vrs work better against buildings, not scvs. go for the cc instead.
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On May 12 2010 02:28 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 02:25 MorroW wrote:On May 12 2010 02:20 tenpromicro wrote:On May 12 2010 02:16 HeyheyLBJ wrote:On May 12 2010 01:35 billyX333 wrote:
lol, why are so many people upset about artosis's attitude towards NA/EU?
Well, Artosis is himself not a very good player, but he thinks he is because he plays with koreans all day. He wants to be one of them so badly. He desperately rides the korean wave despite not having accomplished anything himself. He comes across as a big dork to me. I think what he said was fair.. I don't think there are many mechanically sound NA players.. Even if you watch the top players in US/CA you still see tons of mistakes well being mechanically good doesnt mean so much in sc2 i think its disrespectful of artosis to assume that the asians r better then EU and US just because they won so far against them and that koreans were rly good at sc1. sure its a logical conclusion with some backup to it but i still think its wrong to just throw that out like that in an interview how is it disrespectful when tester mauled his way through the competition? not saying i agree with what artosis said, but the fact that tester basically looked like he was having a walk in the park while beating some of the better foreigners out there does lend some credibility to the whole koreans > anyone else thing
just because u have a walk in the park in a few tournaments here and there and winning against quote "some of the top players" doesnt mean hes above everyone else. now if artosis thinks asia is so much stronger (which i would probably agree with since it makes sense) its uncalled to say the best player is located there without even having merged tournaments of EU US and Asia.
i didnt say tester was disrespectful, i meant artosis was because u dont just throw out personal opinions like that in interviews. an interviewer shouldnt take sides or form his questions so much out of what he thinks himself...
on a sidenote EU would probably have a walk in the park in the us tournaments too
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I really want to see Tester's marine/tank build. Other than on incineration zone, I don't think I've seen the composition be really successful against protoss in high-level games.
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On May 11 2010 23:25 iounas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2010 23:15 yema1 wrote:
How will we know who is the best player when we can't play cross servers nor LAN? :/ ![[image loading]](http://www.ingame.de/pics//82877.png)
That picture is soooo gonna be the TL "trollface" ^__^
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I can't see why a player like Check, who's pretty successful in sc2 Korea, would all of a sudden dominate players like Lucifron and Demuslim(atleast at his peak) when he wasn't in wc3. I know it's a different game but still, it's a pretty bold statement until they have actually played eachother.
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^ I agree, though I'd like to point out that Demuslim did lose 1-3 to Freedom (a top Korean SC 2 player) recently. We should wait and see what happens.
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On May 12 2010 02:34 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 02:28 TheAntZ wrote:On May 12 2010 02:25 MorroW wrote:On May 12 2010 02:20 tenpromicro wrote:On May 12 2010 02:16 HeyheyLBJ wrote:On May 12 2010 01:35 billyX333 wrote:
lol, why are so many people upset about artosis's attitude towards NA/EU?
Well, Artosis is himself not a very good player, but he thinks he is because he plays with koreans all day. He wants to be one of them so badly. He desperately rides the korean wave despite not having accomplished anything himself. He comes across as a big dork to me. I think what he said was fair.. I don't think there are many mechanically sound NA players.. Even if you watch the top players in US/CA you still see tons of mistakes well being mechanically good doesnt mean so much in sc2 i think its disrespectful of artosis to assume that the asians r better then EU and US just because they won so far against them and that koreans were rly good at sc1. sure its a logical conclusion with some backup to it but i still think its wrong to just throw that out like that in an interview how is it disrespectful when tester mauled his way through the competition? not saying i agree with what artosis said, but the fact that tester basically looked like he was having a walk in the park while beating some of the better foreigners out there does lend some credibility to the whole koreans > anyone else thing just because u have a walk in the park in a few tournaments here and there and winning against quote "some of the top players" doesnt mean hes above everyone else. now if artosis thinks asia is so much stronger (which i would probably agree with since it makes sense) its uncalled to say the best player is located there without even having merged tournaments of EU US and Asia. i didnt say tester was disrespectful, i meant artosis was because u dont just throw out personal opinions like that in interviews. an interviewer shouldnt take sides or form his questions so much out of what he thinks himself... on a sidenote EU would probably have a walk in the park in the us tournaments too
erm.. it's his interview, and HIS take on HIS experience in korea.. He can form whatever opinion he wants.. and Tester is widely recognized as the best sc2 player in korea.. he just mopped the floor iwth all the EU/NA competition in recent tournaments, so I think Artosis' opinion is more legit than ever. And in several of his interviews he's said that Tester is widely recognized as the best player in Korea, so there is that factual basis that you seem to itch so much for. Either way.. Artosis has no responsibility to you or anyone to provide unbiased journalism, and his statements aren't even biased.. they are what the korean sc2 community thinks
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people said NE is imba, even top players were saying that and at the end it was orc who dominated the game, opinion about terrans being strongerst said by one player even tho theres no such evidence means nothing. In contrast to it other pros like sen are saying zerg is overpowered. Pretty weird people treat his opinion like it was a FACT.
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can some1 plz link some Korean terran replays
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On May 12 2010 02:34 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 02:28 TheAntZ wrote:On May 12 2010 02:25 MorroW wrote:On May 12 2010 02:20 tenpromicro wrote:On May 12 2010 02:16 HeyheyLBJ wrote:On May 12 2010 01:35 billyX333 wrote:
lol, why are so many people upset about artosis's attitude towards NA/EU?
Well, Artosis is himself not a very good player, but he thinks he is because he plays with koreans all day. He wants to be one of them so badly. He desperately rides the korean wave despite not having accomplished anything himself. He comes across as a big dork to me. I think what he said was fair.. I don't think there are many mechanically sound NA players.. Even if you watch the top players in US/CA you still see tons of mistakes well being mechanically good doesnt mean so much in sc2 i think its disrespectful of artosis to assume that the asians r better then EU and US just because they won so far against them and that koreans were rly good at sc1. sure its a logical conclusion with some backup to it but i still think its wrong to just throw that out like that in an interview how is it disrespectful when tester mauled his way through the competition? not saying i agree with what artosis said, but the fact that tester basically looked like he was having a walk in the park while beating some of the better foreigners out there does lend some credibility to the whole koreans > anyone else thing just because u have a walk in the park in a few tournaments here and there and winning against quote "some of the top players" doesnt mean hes above everyone else. now if artosis thinks asia is so much stronger (which i would probably agree with since it makes sense) its uncalled to say the best player is located there without even having merged tournaments of EU US and Asia. i didnt say tester was disrespectful, i meant artosis was because u dont just throw out personal opinions like that in interviews. an interviewer shouldnt take sides or form his questions so much out of what he thinks himself... on a sidenote EU would probably have a walk in the park in the us tournaments too
I do not think a lot of people understand that what artosis does with tester, and what others do all during SC2 beta is...endlessly hype themselves up. That's what beta is about guys! Hype, hype, hype! 
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I feel like Tester's analysis is true and is also very relevant to Terran in SC1 too. TBH in SC1 there weren't a lot of excellent Terrans outside of Korea due to mechanics, etc. I think we will definitely see a difference in how Terran is played and the level of Terran players once we see some high-level players from SC1 pick up SC2, but it could be a very long time before we see the likes of FlasH and fantasy playing SC2.
However, I don't want to go as far as to say a race is the best due to their potential and how well a certain level of players can utilize them. So, I think you can have a different race tier-list based on skill level. I.E. at a casual level its race a, b, c, but at a pro level its race b c a, etc.
In Wc3 a lot of people complained about the imbalances of Night Elf and how dominant they were (during Moon's domination), but if you took out Moon's statistics, Night Elf was performing poorly. Was that because the night elf players were simply not on the same skill level as their opponents or not on the same skill level as Moon? It's hard to say.
At the end of the day the more skilled player should win.
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On May 12 2010 02:06 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 01:57 imperator-xy wrote:On May 12 2010 01:37 Perfect Balance wrote:
Terran has some powerful timing windows, but outside of those there is nothing but loss..
A maxed terran army facing off against a maxed P/Z army will result in loss, every time.
The mid-late game needs to be fixed, Zerg larva stacking and Toss chrono is too strong.
- Plat Terran. if not using t3 units there is nothing a zerg could do against a well microed mech army. - Plat Zerg. ye agree been dominating every single zerg with my mech play the only way zerg can outweight it seems to be with broodlord but vikings along with thor is a deadly antiair wouldnt be too shocked if i saw some buff on the zergling adrenaline or the ultralisk speed and while they r at it why dont they change the m250 on the thor so its more allround rather than only being good vs buildings and ultralisk. its stupid how it completely counters the ultralisk but nothing else, bad design imo i think toss is gonna rape a 200 psi terran tho xd
I agree about mech play, I've been doing SC1 style mech and now that we have tanks available again, it is very, very good. Way better than bio, but of course sc2 mech was alway way better than bio.
maxed out tvp army you can win with Terran I think.
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i really would like to see some replays of tester
someone knows a page where to get them?
would appreciate an english page
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with all the beginnerfriendly things like MBS autocast and autominig etc, there is a huge chunk of the korean advantage that now every1 can master.
Im extremly curious for this game to go retail so we can see some real BEST ON BEST from all the different servers, I imagine there will be some workaround to be able to play on different realms etc, its what the people want, and it will happen even if blizz dont allow it 
edit: where to go for top korean replays? cuz the ones I have seen havent been that impressive, save the micro which was incredible !
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On May 12 2010 05:37 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 02:06 MorroW wrote:On May 12 2010 01:57 imperator-xy wrote:On May 12 2010 01:37 Perfect Balance wrote:
Terran has some powerful timing windows, but outside of those there is nothing but loss..
A maxed terran army facing off against a maxed P/Z army will result in loss, every time.
The mid-late game needs to be fixed, Zerg larva stacking and Toss chrono is too strong.
- Plat Terran. if not using t3 units there is nothing a zerg could do against a well microed mech army. - Plat Zerg. ye agree been dominating every single zerg with my mech play the only way zerg can outweight it seems to be with broodlord but vikings along with thor is a deadly antiair wouldnt be too shocked if i saw some buff on the zergling adrenaline or the ultralisk speed and while they r at it why dont they change the m250 on the thor so its more allround rather than only being good vs buildings and ultralisk. its stupid how it completely counters the ultralisk but nothing else, bad design imo i think toss is gonna rape a 200 psi terran tho xd I agree about mech play, I've been doing SC1 style mech and now that we have tanks available again, it is very, very good. Way better than bio, but of course sc2 mech was alway way better than bio. maxed out tvp army you can win with Terran I think.
Time to post a new guide? Because i will share your replay if you won't 
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A lot of insight into all aspects of the game. Thanks again Artosis.
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