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On April 22 2010 00:49 asdfTT123 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 23:38 ExecutioN wrote:
Even a Logitech mini is enough for StarCraft, but it surely won't cut it for StarCraft II.
What are you talking about? I use a Logitech Mini Optical for both SC1 and SC2 (1680x1050) and it performs superbly for both and I've already tried fancy laser and infrared mice such as the G9, G5, G3, and Razer Abyssus (G3 comes close though). Nothing beats the LMO for RTS games if you use fingertip/claw grip and is probably the best mouse ever made (IMO, at least). In the end, I've toyed around with many different components of varying price ranges ($10 - $135 keyboards, $8 - $60 mice, $1 - high end anodized aluminum mouse pads) and I've come to a conclusion that you don't need expensive equipment to play Starcraft effectively. You can get an LMO or any cheap optical for under $10, a membrane keyboard for about the same, and rummage a cheap mousepad with a decent surface. It's just important to get accustomed to whatever equipment you use by using it consistently to become fully comfortable with it.
I never said that you can't play StarCraft with a cheap mouse and keyboard. I said that gaming grade gear gives an amount advantage. Will never save you from a better player, but may give you an extra edge. Most of RTS mice are very light and have superb tracking.
It's a thing of prefferance and perhaps you are used to your old mouse. Just my 2 cets here..
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On April 22 2010 01:01 ExecutioN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2010 00:49 asdfTT123 wrote:On April 21 2010 23:38 ExecutioN wrote:
Even a Logitech mini is enough for StarCraft, but it surely won't cut it for StarCraft II.
What are you talking about? I use a Logitech Mini Optical for both SC1 and SC2 (1680x1050) and it performs superbly for both and I've already tried fancy laser and infrared mice such as the G9, G5, G3, and Razer Abyssus (G3 comes close though). Nothing beats the LMO for RTS games if you use fingertip/claw grip and is probably the best mouse ever made (IMO, at least). In the end, I've toyed around with many different components of varying price ranges ($10 - $135 keyboards, $8 - $60 mice, $1 - high end anodized aluminum mouse pads) and I've come to a conclusion that you don't need expensive equipment to play Starcraft effectively. You can get an LMO or any cheap optical for under $10, a membrane keyboard for about the same, and rummage a cheap mousepad with a decent surface. It's just important to get accustomed to whatever equipment you use by using it consistently to become fully comfortable with it. I never said that you can't play StarCraft with a cheap mouse and keyboard. I said that gaming grade gear gives an amount advantage. Will never save you from a better player, but may give you an extra edge. Most of RTS mice are very light and have superb tracking. It's a thing of prefferance and perhaps you are used to your old mouse. Just my 2 cets here..
Except for the RTS genre at least, the best of the best have always used "sub-gaming grade" equipment. In Korea, it's all about the LMO, and DT-35. Some such as Stork use the G1, which is still an optical grade mouse.
This all might be true for other genres such as FPS, but you might be more knowledgeable about that than me.
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On April 22 2010 01:06 asdfTT123 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2010 01:01 ExecutioN wrote:On April 22 2010 00:49 asdfTT123 wrote:On April 21 2010 23:38 ExecutioN wrote:
Even a Logitech mini is enough for StarCraft, but it surely won't cut it for StarCraft II.
What are you talking about? I use a Logitech Mini Optical for both SC1 and SC2 (1680x1050) and it performs superbly for both and I've already tried fancy laser and infrared mice such as the G9, G5, G3, and Razer Abyssus (G3 comes close though). Nothing beats the LMO for RTS games if you use fingertip/claw grip and is probably the best mouse ever made (IMO, at least). In the end, I've toyed around with many different components of varying price ranges ($10 - $135 keyboards, $8 - $60 mice, $1 - high end anodized aluminum mouse pads) and I've come to a conclusion that you don't need expensive equipment to play Starcraft effectively. You can get an LMO or any cheap optical for under $10, a membrane keyboard for about the same, and rummage a cheap mousepad with a decent surface. It's just important to get accustomed to whatever equipment you use by using it consistently to become fully comfortable with it. I never said that you can't play StarCraft with a cheap mouse and keyboard. I said that gaming grade gear gives an amount advantage. Will never save you from a better player, but may give you an extra edge. Most of RTS mice are very light and have superb tracking. It's a thing of prefferance and perhaps you are used to your old mouse. Just my 2 cets here.. Except for the RTS genre at least, the best of the best have always used "sub-gaming grade" equipment. In Korea, it's all about the LMO, and DT-35. Some such as Stork use the G1, which is still an optical grade mouse. This all might be true for other genres such as FPS, but you might be more knowledgeable about that than me.
Korean copy one another.. There was no gaming grade mice back in the early days of StarCraft and our gaming industry focused more on the Western scene. So they use what they are confortable with.. Altough WhO (StarCraft II player, ex-Warcraft III pro) uses SteelSeries products.
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"Gaming grade" gear is all marketing. The fact that you actually believe a cheap $10 mouse and keyboard surely won't cut it for SC2 or any other modern game only proves that their marketing has succeeded. In reality, the vast majority of "gaming grade" gear employs the same components and technology as their non-gaming counterparts. There are a few exceptions, of course, but the most part labelling something as "gaming grade" involves making it look cool, adding glowing lights, throwing in some gimmicky frills such as an LCD screen, and adding $50 to the price. The only time you should pay the price for gaming peripherals is if it genuinely feels more comfortable or you REALLY happen to like the design. You can go ahead and get over that illusion that there's some sort of intrinsic performance advantage to be had whether you're a newb or a pro.
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my good old microsoft keyboard>ALL!!!
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Default laptop keyboard, Logitech MX518 for the mouse.
The only way a keyboard is going to give you an advantage is if its one of those keyboards like the G15 where you can program multiple keys to one button
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Zboards were always so flimsy. I watched countless zboards break and just return with bad performance.
On top of that they tend to be so ugly.
Playing with a Razer Lycosa here for now, probably moving back to g15.. Having a lot of issues with this keyboard, and razer told me that I was basically shit out of luck.
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Of course, I will still be playing with my IBM model M. the thing is a tank, and it's still the most responsive keyboard that i've used ^^
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On April 22 2010 03:01 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
Of course, I will still be playing with my IBM model M. the thing is a tank, and it's still the most responsive keyboard that i've used ^^
I pity any roommates you might have. O_O
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On April 22 2010 03:01 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
Of course, I will still be playing with my IBM model M. the thing is a tank, and it's still the most responsive keyboard that i've used ^^
How is the circuitry on the model M? is it per key or sectional?
I really want to find a fully functional 1 circuit per key keyboard... cant find one anywhere.
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On April 21 2010 13:37 han- wrote:I use the Logitech Illuminated because i'm a flat keys fan. Also it looks really cool. ![[image loading]](http://uppix.net/e/c/c/fcad272602b2d588a1970bd57655f.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://uppix.net/9/f/9/54086e625aa1cf77e839566105c21.jpg) Close-ups + Show Spoiler +
I just picked this keyboard up too, it's the best keyboard i've ever used.. and i've used alot of keyboards for gaming
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I cant STAND flat keys for gaming. I need to be able to easily hit Ctrl with the left side of my hand and I often miss click flat keys.
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On April 22 2010 03:08 Roniii wrote:
I cant STAND flat keys for gaming. I need to be able to easily hit Ctrl with the left side of my hand and I often miss click flat keys.
agreed.
the one above is so bad for an RTS IMHO....
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On April 22 2010 03:08 Roniii wrote:
I cant STAND flat keys for gaming. I need to be able to easily hit Ctrl with the left side of my hand and I often miss click flat keys.
That's what make the Logitech Illuminated very good because the keys at the bottom (CTRL, Space bar, ...) aren't flat unlike the others.
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I use a Lenovo keyboard that came free with a PC. Its actually very good.
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On April 22 2010 03:21 han- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2010 03:08 Roniii wrote:
I cant STAND flat keys for gaming. I need to be able to easily hit Ctrl with the left side of my hand and I often miss click flat keys. That's what make the Logitech Illuminated very good because the keys at the bottom (CTRL, Space bar, ...) aren't flat unlike the others.
i can see what you are talking about now but i would still prefer the rest of the keys not be flat.
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Korean copy one another.. There was no gaming grade mice back in the early days of StarCraft and our gaming industry focused more on the Western scene. So they use what they are confortable with.. Altough WhO (StarCraft II player, ex-Warcraft III pro) uses SteelSeries products.
WhO uses the equipment that was given to him while he was sponsored by European teams (mTw, SK, etc.). IF you're getting shit for free you might as well use it. Especially when seeing a lot of the stuff you're getting via sponsors are severely overpriced and marketed to exploit gamers and get them to pay an outrageous amount of money for so-called superior equipment.
The DT-35 is cheap, durable, widely-available (or at least it used to be) and a keyboard many Koreans grew up on (widely used in pc rooms, all the reasons previously stated, etc.). Put yourself in their shoes, weigh the cost and benefits. Why would you pay $30+ for a Logitech/Razer/Microsoft/SteelSeries/etc. keyboard when you have a perfectly good, durable, great keyboard for ~$15? Esp. when you have to take into consideration that those keyboards are even more expensive in Korea due to importing costs, layout modification (have to add korean symbols, kor/eng button, etc).
Since the release of BETA I've reverted back to an old ARON KB-A106 Mechanical Keyboard that I bought when I was in Korea a couple years back (6-7 ?). I stopped using it because it was starting to give a little and it really is, but I LOVE the feel of the keys and will probably have a relative buy me a new one and send it to me. IF not I may have to resort to paying for an overpriced SteelSeries 7G because that is also a mechanical keyboard, and the only "gaming" keyboard that really appeals to me because it isn't all crazy with design/layout/etc.
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I for one think that keyboard is really lame. I've used a razor tarantula for the last four years and had zero problems, its still going strong even. Though all I hear about is how shitty my keyboard is, but Im a 200 apm player and it still hasn't worn out so props to razor. 
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On April 22 2010 03:33 Roniii wrote:I use a Lenovo keyboard that came free with a PC. Its actually very good.
I have about 5 Samsung DT-35 Keyboards, I found a place online that use to sell them new for $6 USD, so I bought a bunch of them back when I played Frozen Throne and loved them. Until recently nothing was as good until my work bought new PCs which included this Lenovo keyboard. So far this keyboard is the best I've used and I had to buy one for myself.
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I'm using a saitek eclipse, I was thinking over the ABS M1 from newegg until it sold out. I think I might buy a mechanical keyboard just to try it out myself.
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