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Poll: What keyboard will you use?
(Vote): Old school Samsung
(Vote): Something else
With the release of SC2 coming up pretty soon i was just wondering what type of keyboard set up the pros / general community of TL will be using.
SC1 was dominated mainly with the Samsung keyboard was wondering if you guys think SC2 will continue this trend or swap over to something new?
Interestingly enough SteelSeries is introducing a SC2 keyboard which allows macros in the game. G15 keyboards can do the same. I think this will give people who own these keyboards a competitive edge? What do you think?
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does that keyboard let you program single keypresses to do like "AAAA" because shit like that is macro imba for sc2.
Btw, the oldschool samsung is called the Samsung/Qsenn SEM DT-35 Keyboard
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On March 23 2010 17:17 CharlieMurphy wrote:
does that keyboard let you program single keypresses to do like "AAAA" because shit like that is macro imba for sc2.
yurp,
people with G35s atm can hot key a single button to select their production buildings and build something straight away with a single key stroke.
E.g. building probes or scvs
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This is the "PROTOS" keyboard. Now I remember it.
Macros.. don't know. Maybe if you play zerg, you can have a bit faster production.
Unitcontrolwise it won't matter at all. Now you can put as many units under one key as you want, so why bother with macros. You don't have to press 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a anymore.
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why is the old samsung keyboard better for SC?
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I can already see such keyboards or macro functions beeing banned at tournaments.
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iNcontroL
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I have an old school Microsoft keyboard. It works fine : )
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this is the legendary "protos" keyboard.
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Logitech Media Keyboard ftw
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Razor is also coming out with a Sc2 Keytboard.
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why does the SC2 keyboard have F2-4?
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Razer Tarantula, i love Razer products 
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I bought a new keyboard two weeks ago. Cost me €8,99. I guess I'll stick with it for a while
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On March 23 2010 17:42 omninmo wrote:
why does the SC2 keyboard have F2-4?
Hahaha, still really hoping they'll implement this. Anyone have any update besides blizz "looking into it"?
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randomlogitechkeyboard FOOOOO
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I'm pretty sure serious tournaments are not going to allow the use of macros, so really just buy any keyboard that you feel comfortable with and use that.
Samsung DT-35 is not special in any way btw. its just like any $20 standard keyboard you can find in your local store.
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Oldass HP "internet connect" keyboard that I've been using since my last one died to a carelessly placed cup of coffee >.>;;
Spending my next funds on a graphics card that doesn't freeze. Then likely get a samsung to finally replace this left over.
Gaming keyboards seem gimmicky as all heck but I do admit it at least looks nifty.
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On March 23 2010 17:22 Nevius wrote:
I can already see such keyboards or macro functions beeing banned at tournaments.
This. And that's how it should be.
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I use an old school IBM model M. It's great when I'm going through my production buildings and you hear a ton of *click clacks* from my keyboard. No windows key is always nice too when gaming, but SC2 has an option to disable it. =x
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i use a logitech g15 with the macro keys ripped out with a butter knife
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I use logitech illuminated keyboard.
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Logitech Ultra-X is and will always be the keyboard for me
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Using my trusty Das Keyboard for any game I play. Nothing beats the old skool clicky-clicky noise while you play a game. Takes me back to when I just started gaming.
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On March 23 2010 19:39 prayanavita wrote:Using my trusty Das Keyboard for any game I play. Nothing beats the old skool clicky-clicky noise while you play a game. Takes me back to when I just started gaming.
That is a sexy keyboard...
*looks over following months bills account*
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Using a razer lycosa. It just makes sense for a keyboard to be more like a laptop setup where its flat. I hate the standard style of keyboard it feels very clunky and uncomfortable. My already shitty wpm would drop on one of those things. I wish though that it was smaller. Don't have the biggest hands to begin with and the closer all the numbers and letters are the easier the reach is.
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tbh i think sc2 is already easy enough in the mechanics so i cant imagine how a keyboard would make anything easier :p
many sc2 nerd noobs r gonna buy this tho i think :D
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I'm using this
This is perfect for gaming, but the keys doesn't seem durable enough to last for a long time. Sometimes, 1 of the keys doesn't work properly and I have to tap it really hard. This is harder to "fix" than the average keyboard as under every key is a rubbery thingy that has to be placed perfectly.
I'm trying to find something similar to replace it, in case this one dies.
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I'm using a Logitech G15 keyboard.
I don't have the beta yet, but I'm using it for all the games I play, and I think it'll be pretty useful for SC2.
Things like selecting a control group, then tabbing 1-2-3times to select the correct production building, and the likes, it could be pretty useful, I'll have to take a look at this once I get the game.
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I bought Microsoft Wired 500 for 2euros and it is comfortable enough =)
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On March 23 2010 19:39 prayanavita wrote:Using my trusty Das Keyboard for any game I play. Nothing beats the old skool clicky-clicky noise while you play a game. Takes me back to when I just started gaming.
This. I threw away from G15 for this Keyboard. Das Keyboard isn't pretty, but I highly doubt any SC player cares, because it's responsive, crisp, and durable as all hell. It sounds hilarious, but it's honestly the best keyboard I've ever owned, and I've been through four of the high end "gaming" keyboards. This keyboard is seriously like crack. Only downside is that it's loud as hell, so do not purchase if it i s going used the same room as your sleeping GF, because she will rage.
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Why would a Keyboard affect the game like a mouse does?
a keyboard doesn't have DPI settings like a mouse which can affect gameplay at higher resolutions.
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because if your keyboard has annoying placement of the keys, or keys that have bad response, it's gonna influence your play in a bad way.
Or buttons that are to hard to press (making your fingers tired very quickly) or to soft to press (hitting wrong buttons), etc etc
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A4tech Anti-RSI keyboard:
Cheap and Comfortable
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I've got an ABS m1 which is a mechanical keyboard similar to the Das Keyboard but not as durable (nor as expensive). For a no-frills mechanical keyboard it's not bad, but definitely not cheap at $70. I quite enjoy it though, and the responsiveness/durability seems well worth the cost given the number of terrible soft-keyed keyboards I've gone through.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/16616 <-- review
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I almost want this keyboard just because it looks sweet =D
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I also have the cyborg, but unfortunately the keys are pretty mushy. I wouldn't recommend it unless you really must have flashy multicolor back-lighting.
I must.
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On March 24 2010 02:05 FictionJV wrote:
because if your keyboard has annoying placement of the keys, or keys that have bad response, it's gonna influence your play in a bad way.
Or buttons that are to hard to press (making your fingers tired very quickly) or to soft to press (hitting wrong buttons), etc etc
i use a DT35, no problems still. According to tasteless & artosis interview, they use it too
I want to go to korea and just say "starcraft keyboard" in an electronics store lol
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On March 24 2010 02:34 Hanno wrote:
I also have the cyborg, but unfortunately the keys are pretty mushy. I wouldn't recommend it unless you really must have flashy multicolor back-lighting.
I must.
Not really for me... o.O
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On March 23 2010 17:23 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
steelseries ftw obv
More like steelseries wtf obs, they are pretty much forcing people to buy this board or other macro boards if you want to keep up with competition.. =/ don't like the idea.
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On March 24 2010 02:39 GreEny K wrote:More like steelseries wtf obs, they are pretty much forcing people to buy this board or other macro boards if you want to keep up with competition.. =/ don't like the idea.
I like the Steelseries 7g, but it is very expensive.
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On March 24 2010 02:45 Raydog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2010 02:39 GreEny K wrote:On March 23 2010 17:23 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
steelseries ftw obv More like steelseries wtf obs, they are pretty much forcing people to buy this board or other macro boards if you want to keep up with competition.. =/ don't like the idea. I like the Steelseries 7g, but it is very expensive.
They are nice boards but that's not my point ^^
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I have this keyboard :
being no MS fanboy or anything, I've had logitech ergo keyboards in the past and I would not trade that one for any other atm => I also like the split section for hotkey binding, always having a good reference point on where are my keys (yeah, of course I know the keyboard, but moving all around with the left hand would otherwise get me prone to mistyping)
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I'm still waiting to see what SC2 gaming products FakeSteve and the dudes at razor will come up with . I'm happy with my razor krait and the arctosa , although i probably should have gotten the salmosa since people say it's good for starcraft and RTS games in general . Oh and by the way if they ever make an SC2 gaming product with the name razer taipan i'm totaly buying it  .
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I plan on sticking with my DT-35 =D, really great keyboard ^^
edit: 500th post wooo!
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DT-35 and i wont betray it
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if razer makes a comparable keyboard to the DT-35 I'll use theirs as my brand loyalty runs deep with them but until they have that keyboard I'm waiting to get my DT-35 from kore's store.
HEY FAKESTEVE GET ON THIS!!!!
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The keyboard on my laptop. lol. Struggling college student ftw.
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I think a newer keyboard would suit SC2 better. I am waiting to see what Razer comes out with for the SC2 lineup.
I'm just using a crappy microsoft keyboard that came with my new computer XD
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On March 24 2010 03:19 iSiN wrote:
if razer makes a comparable keyboard to the DT-35 I'll use theirs as my brand loyalty runs deep with them but until they have that keyboard I'm waiting to get my DT-35 from kore's store.
HEY FAKESTEVE GET ON THIS!!!!
Ya as long as the DT 35s are at a reasonable price i want to buy 2, one white one black so I can mix and match the keys
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ABS M1 Mechanical right now. I've played with a DELL Multimedia and an EVERGLIDE DKTBoard
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On March 24 2010 02:39 GreEny K wrote:
More like steelseries wtf obs, they are pretty much forcing people to buy this board or other macro boards if you want to keep up with competition.. =/ don't like the idea.
I think the general consensus is that macro keyboard don't give any real advantage in RTS games like SC or SC2... I highly doubt we'll see any competitive players using the ZBoard pictured in the OP or any other macro keyboard.
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Whatever comes with dell computers
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That's not really a keyboard... It's a macro pad. Its usefulness is honestly pretty limited, but I do have one that I have used on occasion for certain MMO's. Mine is the old Nostromo, though.
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On April 21 2010 12:48 HeartOfTofu wrote:That's not really a keyboard... It's a macro pad. Its usefulness is honestly pretty limited, but I do have one that I have used on occasion for certain MMO's. Mine is the old Nostromo, though.
Yeah I have that same pad from the pic and it's super easy for pretty much anything. I'm not going to use it for SC2 just because it would become a crutch in my game play.
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On March 23 2010 18:40 GTR wrote:
i use a logitech g15 with the macro keys ripped out with a butter knife
lol sounds awesome
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Using my laptop keyboard... whoosh.
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i need to get rid of this wireless keyboard, it skips commands when my am goes up which really is something i dont need. but i really like the smooth buttons on the keyboard, just not the response time.
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can anyone specify the difference between Samsung QSENN SEM-DT35 and any generic logitech keyboard? Why is it better for sc? Because of that plastic membrane?
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On March 23 2010 18:40 GTR wrote:
i use a logitech g15 with the macro keys ripped out with a butter knife
Just out of curiosity, why bother paying the price premium for a G15 if you're going to rip out the macro keys? The macro keys are pretty much the only thing that makes that keyboard worth buying over tons of cheaper keyboards of higher quality...
On April 21 2010 13:22 rei wrote:
can anyone specify the difference between Samsung QSENN SEM-DT35 and any generic logitech keyboard? Why is it better for sc? Because of that plastic membrane?
I think the primary difference is that the DT35 is ridiculously hyped. As for why it's supposedly better for SC, I've honestly no idea. Someone somewhere liked it and it just caught on. In reality any keyboard you're familiar with and accustomed to is just as good for SC or any other game for the matter. I know several people that have paid the extra money to buy the DT35 and hated it. So yeah...
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I'm on a razer lycosa. Simple keyboard and works nicely.
Pciture
I'd highly recommend it if you feel like forking out extra money. I bought it out of support for the razer TSL
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On April 21 2010 13:37 han- wrote:I use the Logitech Illuminated because i'm a flat keys fan. Also it looks really cool. ![[image loading]](http://uppix.net/e/c/c/fcad272602b2d588a1970bd57655f.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://uppix.net/9/f/9/54086e625aa1cf77e839566105c21.jpg) Close-ups + Show Spoiler +
A fan of flat keys myself. This looks great. How long have you been using them? and how's the durability of the keys?
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Anyone know what SC1 Samsung the OP is referring to? I don't remember any keyboard "dominating" all of sc1.
My keyboard:
![[image loading]](http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7250/0421000058a.jpg)
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I collect computer accessories and I have the following keyboards that I've used for Starcraft:
Samsung QSENN DT-35 (membrane)
Logitech diNovo Edge (scissor switch)
Filco Majestouch 104-key Tactile Touch (mechanical Cherry MX Brown)
Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless Tactile Click (mechanical Cherry MX Blue)
To start off, The DT-35 is basically like any typical membrane keyboard, as far as I'm concerned. It feels much like any cheap Dell keyboard out there. For the vast majority of membrane keyboard users out there (95% ish of Desktop keyboards are membrane), it's not worth getting a DT-35. The nice thing is that it does have a small footprint and membrane keyboards are actually quite decent for gaming - there is a medium pressure required for actuation and gives a tactile feel when pressed. The downside is that the keys will wear out fast and the key return speed is the slowest so double-tapping hotkeys will take a split second longer and the keys feel mushy in general. I've personally condemned this keyboard because of the tiny backspace.
The diNovo edge is a premium grade HTPC keyboard that uses a scissor switch mechanism, which is used on many laptops. The keyboard is thus very quiet and has a short distance of travel. It also has a faster return speed and a "bouncier" feel. I actually prefer this keyboard to the DT-35 for Starcraft because of a snappier feeling and short travel times. The downside is that even scissor switches will wear with extended periods of use and many players are turned off by the short travel distance of the keys.
The Filco keyboards are high end mechanical keyboards. I have one using Cherry MX Brown switches (very light, no click, slight tactile feel) and Cherry MX Blue (medium pressure, audible click, and tactile). These keyboards have obvious advantages over standard membrane and scissor switch keyboards - they are extremely durable and have many years of usage and the keys will maintain the same feel through their entire lifespan. They also have the fastest key return speed and each key feels individual instead of the mushy feeling you might get from using a membrane. The Tactile touch version (Cherry MX Brown) are great for Starcraft but haven't gamed with the Cherry Blues enough to make a judgement. They come at a huge price premium however, at over $100 for a board, but are a good investment if you type a lot and are into techy stuff. Both the Blue and Brown switches (especially the Blues) are a dream to type on.
In the end, for a game like Starcraft, there really is no "best" keyboard as it all comes down to preference. I can't say spending a huge premium on a mechanical keyboard will ever make you a better player and honestly, it probably won't. After experimenting with this wide array of keyboards, I understand why the korean pros don't need fancy mechanical boards in their play - it just doesn't make that much of a difference. For a typist that's a completely different story. My suggestion - don't pay a huge premium for a branded "gaming" keyboard. They essentially all use membrane switches (an exception being the Steelseries 7G, which uses Cherry MX Black and some other boards), but they will feel the same as any other membrane including the DT-35. What you're paying for are the macro keys, ridiculous LCD displays, and clever marketing behind those products.
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SEM-DT35 is comfortable and all, but i'm not sure if the extra money is worth it right away. If you want keys with nice feel and that then team up with a bunch of guys and order a batch of keyboards so you could save with shipping. That way i guess it's reasonable.
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I think the only more function that keyboard has is for replays and b.net But i cant read much on that picture tbh.
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On March 24 2010 02:34 Hanno wrote:
I also have the cyborg, but unfortunately the keys are pretty mushy. I wouldn't recommend it unless you really must have flashy multicolor back-lighting.
I must.
loled. I was about to post about how I don't have it in me to get a hard on for keyboards, but I'm impressed by the way you embrace this.
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looks like a keyboard you can buy at best buy for $19.99 only with a sc2 sticker - automatically raising the price to $89.99
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The stickers add 100 APM
(joking)
I'm currently using a lycosa but the keys feel kinda "sticky" somehow... I like it for FPS but I'm hoping the ABS M1 I ordered (thanks for the hot deal tip TL!) performs better for RTS. We'll see.
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I got a G15 a while back and I'm still using it. It works great. Although the letters on the keys I used for moving around in WoW are completely worn off hehe. I don't think its time for an upgrade yet. The macro buttons are to far out of the way to be useful to me for SC2. However I would assign macro functions to my mouse if I thought of something I'd find useful. I had a ton of things macro'd to it in WoW because I ran out of easy to hit keyboard combos. They would be much easier to hit quickly. I took a look at the Razor Lycosa. I like the macro software for that one. Apparently you can make any key into a macro. Sounds pretty sweet. I shouldn't be buying things I don't need though  .
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On April 21 2010 13:49 LaiShin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 13:37 han- wrote:
I use the Logitech Illuminated because i'm a flat keys fan. Also it looks really cool.
A fan of flat keys myself. This looks great. How long have you been using them? and how's the durability of the keys?
I use it for about 6 months and i'm having no problem whatsoever. Quite solid keyboard overall with resistant keys.
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On March 23 2010 17:40 FREEloss_ca wrote:
Razor is also coming out with a Sc2 Keytboard.
im going to buy it.
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My bro has one of those high g-17s or higher, i forget, and loves the thing.
I have always just used regular 15-25$ logitechs with little to nothing special about it.
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I used to have a G15 until it broke. The macro keys sounded good for games but were to far away. Could do the same manually instead of moving my hand out of position to press one of those.
Still loved the keyboard thanks to the buttons and lcd. But I used it more outside of games
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i'll stick with my saitek eclipse II till the end of time
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wtf who uses those keyboards? Imma just bust out my old crappy hp keyboard from like 2001 that was made in china. The thing is still beast
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On March 23 2010 18:36 Arveene wrote:
I use an old school IBM model M. It's great when I'm going through my production buildings and you hear a ton of *click clacks* from my keyboard. No windows key is always nice too when gaming, but SC2 has an option to disable it. =x
hey, i have one of these too! lol. mine was made in 1983... as old as i am.
i dyed the all the keys and sprayed the cover black, so it look pretty spiffy (also also keeps people who can't touch type off of my computer). it's a little bit of a hassle looking for motherboards that support PS2 keyboards properly tho.
click clack is awesome, unless you happen to be trying to sleep and someone else is typing on your computer -___-
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will macros make a huge difference to top players gaming?
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no top player would youse macros.
topic:
currently useing my "idontknowhowmanyyearsold" g11 which really is at the end of its live. not going to buy one again.
im waiting for what sc2 keyboard rarzer is going to sell. if i dont like it will go with the steelseries g7.
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On April 21 2010 16:48 douji wrote:
hey, i have one of these too! lol. mine was made in 1983... as old as i am.
i dyed the all the keys and sprayed the cover black, so it look pretty spiffy (also also keeps people who can't touch type off of my computer). it's a little bit of a hassle looking for motherboards that support PS2 keyboards properly tho.
click clack is awesome, unless you happen to be trying to sleep and someone else is typing on your computer -___-
they only started making those ibm model m keyboards in 1986
i think they were serial connection only up to around 1988 or so as well.you can buy new unicomps with usb (same factory as old ibm keyboards)
but yeah mechanical keyboards > membrane keyboards , the difference in quality is insane
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bitches don't know about my lasers
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The major advantage of gaming keyboards is "anti ghosting". This means that you can press as many keys at a time as there are keys.
I mainly feel that this is an issue when playing FPS games though. My current old HP keyboard works great for SC but when playing FPS games I can't sprint diagonally forward and then crouch (with shift+ctrl).
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Cherry Keyboard all live long ... :D
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SC2 Keyboard? My god, this is a competitive game, not freaking WoW.
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There are those with gaming keyboards and then there is me with my laptop.
HP Pavilion dv6700, has done me well enough over the years and I don't plan on switching anytime soon. Only problem is my 1 key sticks or doesn't respond same with my tab key. Must been from so much use or just age.
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I'm looking torwards the Razer Arctosa for StarCraft II. A good gaming keyboard with low keys (something you want in a massive APM game like StarCraft).
As for the DT-35.. Same as mouses:
Even a Logitech mini is enough for StarCraft, but it surely won't cut it for StarCraft II.
It may not be so dramatic as with mouses (as the resolution in SC2 is a lot higher), but i expect it to simular.. You do need a gaming keyboard. It won't make a low-skilled player any better, but it will improve the gameplay of pro's (like a good baseball bat).
Then again, I do not have a BETA key. I only talk based from all the forums, gamer interviews i've read and videos i've watch.
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On April 21 2010 16:08 jamie wrote:
i'll stick with my saitek eclipse II till the end of time
im using saitek eclipse 1, didn't want the #2 due to wanting a minimally featured keyboard.. basically full size with volume -/+ and mute. works great.
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On April 21 2010 23:38 ExecutioN wrote:
Even a Logitech mini is enough for StarCraft, but it surely won't cut it for StarCraft II.
What are you talking about? I use a Logitech Mini Optical for both SC1 and SC2 (1680x1050) and it performs superbly for both and I've already tried fancy laser and infrared mice such as the G9, G5, G3, and Razer Abyssus (G3 comes close though).
Nothing beats the LMO for RTS games if you use fingertip/claw grip and is probably the best mouse ever made (IMO, at least).
On April 21 2010 23:38 ExecutioN wrote:
You do need a gaming keyboard. It won't make a low-skilled player any better, but it will improve the gameplay of pro's (like a good baseball bat).
Have you watched any Starcraft VODs of the Korean pro scene? They almost all use the DT-35, which is a cheap and widely manufactured membrane keyboard, which can be had for less than $15 in Korea. The vast majority of gaming keyboards (i.e. Razer boards, Logitech G11, even the $200 G19) use the same exact membrane/rubber dome mechanism and has the same feel. The only difference is the crazy design, macro keys (which are in no way used by higher level SC players), gaudy LCD displays, and marketing schemes. For RTS, it just doesn't matter very much, and if the player had any sense, he would spend the extra cash on a high end mechanical board instead of falling trap to ridiculous offerings of Logitech and Razer. For FPS and other genres, I can't comment because I'm not sure.
In the end, I've toyed around with many different components of varying price ranges ($10 - $135 keyboards, $8 - $60 mice, $1 - high end anodized aluminum mouse pads) and I've come to a conclusion that you don't need expensive equipment to play Starcraft effectively. You can get an LMO or any cheap optical for under $10, a membrane keyboard for about the same, and rummage a cheap mousepad with a decent surface. It's just important to get accustomed to whatever equipment you use by using it consistently to become fully comfortable with it.
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On April 22 2010 00:49 asdfTT123 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 23:38 ExecutioN wrote:
Even a Logitech mini is enough for StarCraft, but it surely won't cut it for StarCraft II.
What are you talking about? I use a Logitech Mini Optical for both SC1 and SC2 (1680x1050) and it performs superbly for both and I've already tried fancy laser and infrared mice such as the G9, G5, G3, and Razer Abyssus (G3 comes close though). Nothing beats the LMO for RTS games if you use fingertip/claw grip and is probably the best mouse ever made (IMO, at least). In the end, I've toyed around with many different components of varying price ranges ($10 - $135 keyboards, $8 - $60 mice, $1 - high end anodized aluminum mouse pads) and I've come to a conclusion that you don't need expensive equipment to play Starcraft effectively. You can get an LMO or any cheap optical for under $10, a membrane keyboard for about the same, and rummage a cheap mousepad with a decent surface. It's just important to get accustomed to whatever equipment you use by using it consistently to become fully comfortable with it.
I never said that you can't play StarCraft with a cheap mouse and keyboard. I said that gaming grade gear gives an amount advantage. Will never save you from a better player, but may give you an extra edge. Most of RTS mice are very light and have superb tracking.
It's a thing of prefferance and perhaps you are used to your old mouse. Just my 2 cets here..
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On April 22 2010 01:01 ExecutioN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2010 00:49 asdfTT123 wrote:On April 21 2010 23:38 ExecutioN wrote:
Even a Logitech mini is enough for StarCraft, but it surely won't cut it for StarCraft II.
What are you talking about? I use a Logitech Mini Optical for both SC1 and SC2 (1680x1050) and it performs superbly for both and I've already tried fancy laser and infrared mice such as the G9, G5, G3, and Razer Abyssus (G3 comes close though). Nothing beats the LMO for RTS games if you use fingertip/claw grip and is probably the best mouse ever made (IMO, at least). In the end, I've toyed around with many different components of varying price ranges ($10 - $135 keyboards, $8 - $60 mice, $1 - high end anodized aluminum mouse pads) and I've come to a conclusion that you don't need expensive equipment to play Starcraft effectively. You can get an LMO or any cheap optical for under $10, a membrane keyboard for about the same, and rummage a cheap mousepad with a decent surface. It's just important to get accustomed to whatever equipment you use by using it consistently to become fully comfortable with it. I never said that you can't play StarCraft with a cheap mouse and keyboard. I said that gaming grade gear gives an amount advantage. Will never save you from a better player, but may give you an extra edge. Most of RTS mice are very light and have superb tracking. It's a thing of prefferance and perhaps you are used to your old mouse. Just my 2 cets here..
Except for the RTS genre at least, the best of the best have always used "sub-gaming grade" equipment. In Korea, it's all about the LMO, and DT-35. Some such as Stork use the G1, which is still an optical grade mouse.
This all might be true for other genres such as FPS, but you might be more knowledgeable about that than me.
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On April 22 2010 01:06 asdfTT123 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2010 01:01 ExecutioN wrote:On April 22 2010 00:49 asdfTT123 wrote:On April 21 2010 23:38 ExecutioN wrote:
Even a Logitech mini is enough for StarCraft, but it surely won't cut it for StarCraft II.
What are you talking about? I use a Logitech Mini Optical for both SC1 and SC2 (1680x1050) and it performs superbly for both and I've already tried fancy laser and infrared mice such as the G9, G5, G3, and Razer Abyssus (G3 comes close though). Nothing beats the LMO for RTS games if you use fingertip/claw grip and is probably the best mouse ever made (IMO, at least). In the end, I've toyed around with many different components of varying price ranges ($10 - $135 keyboards, $8 - $60 mice, $1 - high end anodized aluminum mouse pads) and I've come to a conclusion that you don't need expensive equipment to play Starcraft effectively. You can get an LMO or any cheap optical for under $10, a membrane keyboard for about the same, and rummage a cheap mousepad with a decent surface. It's just important to get accustomed to whatever equipment you use by using it consistently to become fully comfortable with it. I never said that you can't play StarCraft with a cheap mouse and keyboard. I said that gaming grade gear gives an amount advantage. Will never save you from a better player, but may give you an extra edge. Most of RTS mice are very light and have superb tracking. It's a thing of prefferance and perhaps you are used to your old mouse. Just my 2 cets here.. Except for the RTS genre at least, the best of the best have always used "sub-gaming grade" equipment. In Korea, it's all about the LMO, and DT-35. Some such as Stork use the G1, which is still an optical grade mouse. This all might be true for other genres such as FPS, but you might be more knowledgeable about that than me.
Korean copy one another.. There was no gaming grade mice back in the early days of StarCraft and our gaming industry focused more on the Western scene. So they use what they are confortable with.. Altough WhO (StarCraft II player, ex-Warcraft III pro) uses SteelSeries products.
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"Gaming grade" gear is all marketing. The fact that you actually believe a cheap $10 mouse and keyboard surely won't cut it for SC2 or any other modern game only proves that their marketing has succeeded. In reality, the vast majority of "gaming grade" gear employs the same components and technology as their non-gaming counterparts. There are a few exceptions, of course, but the most part labelling something as "gaming grade" involves making it look cool, adding glowing lights, throwing in some gimmicky frills such as an LCD screen, and adding $50 to the price. The only time you should pay the price for gaming peripherals is if it genuinely feels more comfortable or you REALLY happen to like the design. You can go ahead and get over that illusion that there's some sort of intrinsic performance advantage to be had whether you're a newb or a pro.
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my good old microsoft keyboard>ALL!!!
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Default laptop keyboard, Logitech MX518 for the mouse.
The only way a keyboard is going to give you an advantage is if its one of those keyboards like the G15 where you can program multiple keys to one button
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Zboards were always so flimsy. I watched countless zboards break and just return with bad performance.
On top of that they tend to be so ugly.
Playing with a Razer Lycosa here for now, probably moving back to g15.. Having a lot of issues with this keyboard, and razer told me that I was basically shit out of luck.
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Of course, I will still be playing with my IBM model M. the thing is a tank, and it's still the most responsive keyboard that i've used ^^
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On April 22 2010 03:01 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
Of course, I will still be playing with my IBM model M. the thing is a tank, and it's still the most responsive keyboard that i've used ^^
I pity any roommates you might have. O_O
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On April 22 2010 03:01 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
Of course, I will still be playing with my IBM model M. the thing is a tank, and it's still the most responsive keyboard that i've used ^^
How is the circuitry on the model M? is it per key or sectional?
I really want to find a fully functional 1 circuit per key keyboard... cant find one anywhere.
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On April 21 2010 13:37 han- wrote:I use the Logitech Illuminated because i'm a flat keys fan. Also it looks really cool. Close-ups + Show Spoiler +
I just picked this keyboard up too, it's the best keyboard i've ever used.. and i've used alot of keyboards for gaming
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I cant STAND flat keys for gaming. I need to be able to easily hit Ctrl with the left side of my hand and I often miss click flat keys.
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On April 22 2010 03:08 Roniii wrote:
I cant STAND flat keys for gaming. I need to be able to easily hit Ctrl with the left side of my hand and I often miss click flat keys.
agreed.
the one above is so bad for an RTS IMHO....
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On April 22 2010 03:08 Roniii wrote:
I cant STAND flat keys for gaming. I need to be able to easily hit Ctrl with the left side of my hand and I often miss click flat keys.
That's what make the Logitech Illuminated very good because the keys at the bottom (CTRL, Space bar, ...) aren't flat unlike the others.
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I use a Lenovo keyboard that came free with a PC. Its actually very good.
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On April 22 2010 03:21 han- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2010 03:08 Roniii wrote:
I cant STAND flat keys for gaming. I need to be able to easily hit Ctrl with the left side of my hand and I often miss click flat keys. That's what make the Logitech Illuminated very good because the keys at the bottom (CTRL, Space bar, ...) aren't flat unlike the others.
i can see what you are talking about now but i would still prefer the rest of the keys not be flat.
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Korean copy one another.. There was no gaming grade mice back in the early days of StarCraft and our gaming industry focused more on the Western scene. So they use what they are confortable with.. Altough WhO (StarCraft II player, ex-Warcraft III pro) uses SteelSeries products.
WhO uses the equipment that was given to him while he was sponsored by European teams (mTw, SK, etc.). IF you're getting shit for free you might as well use it. Especially when seeing a lot of the stuff you're getting via sponsors are severely overpriced and marketed to exploit gamers and get them to pay an outrageous amount of money for so-called superior equipment.
The DT-35 is cheap, durable, widely-available (or at least it used to be) and a keyboard many Koreans grew up on (widely used in pc rooms, all the reasons previously stated, etc.). Put yourself in their shoes, weigh the cost and benefits. Why would you pay $30+ for a Logitech/Razer/Microsoft/SteelSeries/etc. keyboard when you have a perfectly good, durable, great keyboard for ~$15? Esp. when you have to take into consideration that those keyboards are even more expensive in Korea due to importing costs, layout modification (have to add korean symbols, kor/eng button, etc).
Since the release of BETA I've reverted back to an old ARON KB-A106 Mechanical Keyboard that I bought when I was in Korea a couple years back (6-7 ?). I stopped using it because it was starting to give a little and it really is, but I LOVE the feel of the keys and will probably have a relative buy me a new one and send it to me. IF not I may have to resort to paying for an overpriced SteelSeries 7G because that is also a mechanical keyboard, and the only "gaming" keyboard that really appeals to me because it isn't all crazy with design/layout/etc.
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I for one think that keyboard is really lame. I've used a razor tarantula for the last four years and had zero problems, its still going strong even. Though all I hear about is how shitty my keyboard is, but Im a 200 apm player and it still hasn't worn out so props to razor. 
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On April 22 2010 03:33 Roniii wrote:I use a Lenovo keyboard that came free with a PC. Its actually very good.
I have about 5 Samsung DT-35 Keyboards, I found a place online that use to sell them new for $6 USD, so I bought a bunch of them back when I played Frozen Throne and loved them. Until recently nothing was as good until my work bought new PCs which included this Lenovo keyboard. So far this keyboard is the best I've used and I had to buy one for myself.
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I'm using a saitek eclipse, I was thinking over the ABS M1 from newegg until it sold out. I think I might buy a mechanical keyboard just to try it out myself.
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On April 22 2010 06:14 cmh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2010 03:33 Roniii wrote:I use a Lenovo keyboard that came free with a PC. Its actually very good. I have about 5 Samsung DT-35 Keyboards, I found a place online that use to sell them new for $6 USD, so I bought a bunch of them back when I played Frozen Throne and loved them. Until recently nothing was as good until my work bought new PCs which included this Lenovo keyboard. So far this keyboard is the best I've used and I had to buy one for myself.
I also got mine from machines purchased at work. I have a spare one in my closet at home because I liked it so much.
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On April 22 2010 03:04 jamaZn wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2010 13:37 han- wrote:I use the Logitech Illuminated because i'm a flat keys fan. Also it looks really cool. Close-ups + Show Spoiler + I just picked this keyboard up too, it's the best keyboard i've ever used.. and i've used alot of keyboards for gaming
I have been using this keyboard for awhile now and I like it a lot. I'm around 98-100 WPM usually. My apm is 120 T.T... I have used this keyboard since I started playing SC:BW with any degree of casual seriousness and I would have trouble going back to a regular keyboard with full-size keys.
However, I think I'm going to get a Filco Majestouch Tactile Click NKRO w/ Blue switches ( http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=filco_keyboards,majestouch_104key&pid=fkbn104mceb ) . Anyone else considering this or another mechanical keyboard at the moment?
The Logitech Illuminated uses scissor switches (laptop style) but I feel they aren't the highest quality. I've already busted off the r-ctrl key a bunch of times and while it still sits flat and types fine.. it is prone to popping off easier now. The low-profile keys tend to make typing fast I feel as the travel distance is low when pressed. Also moving the fingers across the keyboard is effortless since you hardly have to lift your fingers at all.
I actually ordered a Logitech G110 the other day (hasn't arrived) and I've already decided to return it immediately.
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I prefer crappy keyboards. I really am using my laptops keyboard right now but i want to switch to a USB keyboard if I can.
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i have some old normal logitech keyboard.
idc about the keyboard. mouse and headphones make a difference though.
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Razer Lycosa, I like it alot better than bad keyboards.
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if macro boards are used by pro players then maybe it'll change things but until then, DT-35 ;D
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Logitech Illuminated Keyboard.
its a normal keyboard with light-glowing letters , just what i need to play in my cave (HOHOHOHO)
xD
Edit: a picture
![[image loading]](http://www.tecnolog1a.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/logitech-illuminated-keyboard.jpg)
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I have the Logitech G11 ... going to continue using it for SC2, as i already use it for SC1.
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On April 21 2010 20:17 Gigaudas wrote:
The major advantage of gaming keyboards is "anti ghosting". This means that you can press as many keys at a time as there are keys.
I mainly feel that this is an issue when playing FPS games though. My current old HP keyboard works great for SC but when playing FPS games I can't sprint diagonally forward and then crouch (with shift+ctrl).
Yeah this is it lol you shouldn't run into the problem of having to hold down more then 3 keys in a rts game you're just tapping keys to build move or attack etc.
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I have the Logitech G15. Didn't buy it for SC2 though, bought it a couple years ago. Actually only picked it up because my IBM model M died after 15 great years of use (1993) and figured that hey while I'm buying a new one might as well get a top-of-the-line board.
I miss my IBM though. Now that was a man's keyboard and I was quite attached to it after all that time. Hell I grew up with that keyboard, lol.
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does anyone know of a keyboard that has the f keys directly above the number keys? seems like every keyboard has that gap and slight shift to the keys... maybe im OCD but id love a keyboard that has f1 above 1, f2 above 2, etc etc
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I have the creative fatal1ty that Ive nearly killed, I think I am going to order a filco this summer.
Only because I cant really find another one of these. Good deal for 50 bucks imo.
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I own the Majestouch Tactile Touch NKRO with Cherry Brown switches and it is the best keyboard I have ever used/owned. I have previously owned a just as expensive Razer keyboard and it feels squishy and cheap in comparison (it also broke).
The Filco keyboard is solid as a rock, the keys are fun to press. I used it for work also (programming) and I never get sore fingers/wrists like I did with my older membrane keyboards.
If you get a mechanical keyboard you will not regret it. Worth every cent.
Also make sure you get the red escape key because it is 100% pimp.
On May 24 2010 05:53 StewKer wrote:
I miss my IBM though. Now that was a man's keyboard and I was quite attached to it after all that time. Hell I grew up with that keyboard, lol.
Filco keyboards are very similar in feel to Model M's if you are interested. I think Cherry Blue switches would be most similar but you would have to look it up.
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![[image loading]](http://www.pchardware.co.uk/siteimages/digitalmediaprokboard.jpg)
Check this bad boy out!
Microsoft Digital MEdia pro keyboard
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On May 24 2010 06:15 vek wrote:I own the Majestouch Tactile Touch NKRO with Cherry Brown switches and it is the best keyboard I have ever used/owned. I have previously owned a just as expensive Razer keyboard and it feels squishy and cheap in comparison (it also broke). The Filco keyboard is solid as a rock, the keys are fun to press. I used it for work also (programming) and I never get sore fingers/wrists like I did with my older membrane keyboards. If you get a mechanical keyboard you will not regret it. Worth every cent. Also make sure you get the red escape key because it is 100% pimp. Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 05:53 StewKer wrote:
I miss my IBM though. Now that was a man's keyboard and I was quite attached to it after all that time. Hell I grew up with that keyboard, lol. Filco keyboards are very similar in feel to Model M's if you are interested. I think Cherry Blue switches would be most similar but you would have to look it up.
I got a Filco brown switch keyboard due to this thread. Well Not entirely due to this thread, I needed a new keyboard anyways.
Either way I just got it in the mail and it is a dream so far. I'm still adjusting to the different key sizes, my old keyboard was a g15 and has kinda funky key spacings. Already though I'm loving it for Sc2 though. I tend to lightly press keys so having some brown switches without a 'bump' and the mechanical key benefit of the activation point being 1/2 press really helps. On my g15 I'd have problems at the start where I'd press s-d and the woudln't register because of the way I press, not so with this new baby.
Also it's really not that loud other than the space bar which is a different switch I believe.
I'll also give a thumbs up to my old g15 it served me well. The macro keys were annoying, though useful for non-gaming tasks like renaming a bunch of files, or spamming /refresh for pre-game DotA. I did find the keyspacings and resistance pretty nice, especially the escape key which is moved in slightly to be easier to hit. It's overly expensive for what you use it for, but it's nice if you don't mind. I had won mine, well 3 of them, in my only RTS prize winnings to date (in Rise of Legends lol) so it's a little sad to see it go, but hey I love the new Filco.
Anyways this may seem kinda pointless, but just wanted to chime in supporting mechanical keyboards.
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I refuse to buy a keyboard that doesn't have APM technology
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On June 19 2010 09:25 TheElitists wrote:
I refuse to buy a keyboard that doesn't have APM technology
haha nice!
I want every button press to register 3 times so my apm technology looks legit!
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Where the hell was the option for Italian Red, I bought one and I saw nothing about it! That thing looks like a sexy beast.
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i honestly think it doesnt matter at all what keyboard you use as long as its easy to use and fits your hands properly.
now if you plan on using custom keybindings then thats a different story.
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On May 24 2010 06:01 Destro wrote:
does anyone know of a keyboard that has the f keys directly above the number keys? seems like every keyboard has that gap and slight shift to the keys... maybe im OCD but id love a keyboard that has f1 above 1, f2 above 2, etc etc
Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad.
Not necessarily my first choice of keyboard, but it's the one on my desk so it's the one I use. Easy-to-reach F-keys (my hands are small) is a nice bonus.
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![[image loading]](http://dat.net.au/cart/images/MS_Digital_Media_Keyboard_3000.jpg)
I use this keyboard and it was cheap but it is just so nice, maybe I'm just used to it, but whenever I use it my fingers hit the letter perfectly. And the F keys work suprisingly well for the way they look. Plus it has alot of functions for other stuff too so I can go game and then run whatever I want after with ease.
Kambing, hmm that's a weird keyboard choice for me, I am so bad at typing with apple keyboards, I dont know why but I press like 3 buttons at once all the time xD
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i honestly couldn't be bothered to program a whole lot of macros. it just feels like cheating.
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i honestly couldn't be bothered to program a whole lot of macros. it just feels like cheating.
That is completely true. I mean if your gonna have a button that automatically selects a building and builds a unit, its just a matter of hitting a little button every X amout of time. It gives players an unfair advantage so it definitely wont be allowed in tournaments. How does this affect APM? In ICCUP if you see someone with unnatural APM spikes corrolating with something rediculous happening in game (6 production facilities queuing in less than a second) the player can get banned for it. I know there is not much that can be done about it, but these keyboards really do give players a very significant advantage and I dont think I should have to go buy some special keyboard and plug it into my laptop just to even the playing field with people who payed money to gain an advantage.
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The Filcos are amazing keyboards, but for those that don't want to invest so much into a keyboard and don't have access to a cheap DT35, I have to mention the standard Dell.
![[image loading]](http://nion.modprobe.de/bimg/dell-keyboard.jpg)
Probably my favorite membrane switch board of all time.
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On June 19 2010 13:18 lu_cid wrote:The Filcos are amazing keyboards, but for those that don't want to invest so much into a keyboard and don't have access to a cheap DT35, I have to mention the standard Dell. Probably my favorite membrane switch board of all time.
I use this, its a fine board if you dont have any money, and extremely abundant anywhere dell computers are popular, probably get one of these second hand for $5 easily in the states. If you dont have much to spend on a keyboard this is a great option
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You should question your mouse. Mine has 4 more buttons, which in MMORPG´s and Dota i use frequently. I use em, for example, for control groups. Having a fast acess to button 7-0 is realy nice, and easily achieved with a mouse like M5.
And i gotta say. I already used my G15 for the Invoker in Dota, so i could be able to invoke instantly.
But i might add makros like scv production for sc2. I got some nice ideas from this thread :D
Gretting.
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There's really not anything beneficial you can do with macros in SC2. Yeah, you could make a macro that would select your buildings and then build a unit. Then what? You have a macro for one unit? Are you going to make a different macro for every different unit you build? You're going to dedicate an entire button to making one unit at basically the same speed you already can? I have a g500 with macro functionality and the optimal thing to do is just to map the 6-0 keys to the mouse buttons so they're a bit easier to press.
It's just not practical, don't panic over it. On the purely user-interface end, there's not really much that can be done to gain an advantage.
Edit: I'm using a Saitek Eclipse II as well and I like it pretty well so far. Raised buttons and no handrest are key for me.
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I love this but 121 usd?? WTF??
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I just have a question to those who owns a Filco mechanical keyboard.
I'm interested in buying one but does anyone know which would be best for SC2? The Cherry MX Blue, Brown or Black?
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On June 21 2010 10:04 sc2lime wrote:
I just have a question to those who owns a Filco mechanical keyboard.
I'm interested in buying one but does anyone know which would be best for SC2? The Cherry MX Blue, Brown or Black?
if you read their faq on elitekeyboards, they say that black is best for gaming.
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On June 19 2010 21:03 TroopeR.ita wrote:I love this but 121 usd?? WTF??
![[image loading]](http://cdn1.techbargains.com/icache/2010/04/16/12714318791917.jpeg)
Can you spot the difference? Mechanical keyboard for 20$ when it was on sale. ^_^
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On March 23 2010 17:23 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
steelseries ftw obv
Product endorsments ftw
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If I could, I'd go back and not buy this keyboard and use the money for something else. It feels nice but it's not worth the money paid.
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what's the benefit of having a mechanical keyboard? other than loud clicking noises that make you feel pro lol
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On June 21 2010 10:32 Malgrif wrote:
what's the benefit of having a mechanical keyboard? other than loud clicking noises that make you feel pro lol
Its more durable and generally has a more tactile feel when compared to other keyboards. You can feel the exact moment when the switch is activated in mechanical keyboards, meaning that, unlike membrane-switch keys, you don't have to bottom out the key and you know exactly when the keys are activated.
Oh, and mechanical keyboards are generally sturdier in construction and can last for years.
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The mechanical keyboard, in my opinion, also provides a smoother feel and a springier return as you lift up your finger. Kind of hard to describe. There are mechanical keyboards without the tactile feel, the one I got doesn't have much of one.
As for price and what not, it all comes down to what it's worth to you. Not having my fingers feel stiff and what not was worth the price to me. It's certainly not something that directly helps you play better, but if your keyboard is giving you problems or fatiguing your hands it may help.
@sc2lime You don't want a blue switch. Blues are more geared towards typing because of the large tactile bump and a higher amount of force required.
So it comes down to brown and black. My understanding is that you're looking at a trade-off in this situation. Browns have a small tactile bump by take less force. Blacks have no bump, but take a little bit more force. For me the reason I wanted a mechanical keyboard was a light and smooth press, using a membrane keyboard was tiring out my hands (I program so I type a lot). So I went with the browns and it's been working well for me. Blacks are also a good choice because they lack the tactile bump which is nice for fast key presses.
There's also a fabled red switch which has the lack of a tactile bump and less force like brown switches. It'd be the best choice except it's only available in china from the original maker of the Filco keyboards .
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On June 21 2010 11:06 Adsee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2010 10:32 Malgrif wrote:
what's the benefit of having a mechanical keyboard? other than loud clicking noises that make you feel pro lol Its more durable and generally has a more tactile feel when compared to other keyboards. You can feel the exact moment when the switch is activated in mechanical keyboards, meaning that, unlike membrane-switch keys, you don't have to bottom out the key and you know exactly when the keys are activated. Oh, and mechanical keyboards are generally sturdier in construction and can last for years. Keyboards rarely die due to usage.
Usually, it's split coke and accumulated bits of chips
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On June 21 2010 10:12 Sadistx wrote:Can you spot the difference? Mechanical keyboard for 20$ when it was on sale. ^_^
I bought the ABS M1 when it was $50 and it's a pretty solid keyboard. I had to use some machine oil for my space bar because it started to make squeaky noises.
The difference is the keyswtiches and pressure for the key to go down. The ABS M1 uses simplified black ALPS key switches whereas Filco uses MX Cherry Blue/Brown/Black.
Btw the keyboards look the same because they're both manufactured from Costar.
If anyone can still find the ABS M1 on sale somewhere I recommend it.
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I'm using a basic Logitech keyboard now, but I'm absolutely going to buy the Razer's new SC2 keyboard. That APM thing is just awesome. Now I'll finally have a visual indicator to my in-game power level rising!
I can actually see it as being a benefit to learning to play faster, too, if you try to maintain a high "color" APM that's difficult to play at until you're comfortable with it.
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Sure, its IMBA but in a tourney where it REALLY matters it wont be allowed so using only hurts yourself if you plan on playing competitively.
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I don't like most gaming keyboards, like the logitech g series the keys feel too spaced out for my liking, my fingers aren't that big so its a stretch for certain keys and it just requires more effort on my end, I have a samsung dt35 but had it since 2004 so the letters are ALL worn out, still useable though that's how good the keyboard is.
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My birthday is coming up on Saturday and my GF is buying me the lycosa online in the morning. I've heard very mix things about this keyboard, but out of everything I seen, it seems to be the keyboard I want most. I'll report back how I like it! Otherwise anyone who wants to talk me out of it let me know before the morning when she buys it.
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dont get a lycosa, its just a glamorous rubber dome. imo get a filco if you want to spend some money or get a dell rubber dome for cheap. Both will be better than a lycosa.
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On June 21 2010 11:31 Logo wrote:The mechanical keyboard, in my opinion, also provides a smoother feel and a springier return as you lift up your finger. Kind of hard to describe. There are mechanical keyboards without the tactile feel, the one I got doesn't have much of one. As for price and what not, it all comes down to what it's worth to you. Not having my fingers feel stiff and what not was worth the price to me. It's certainly not something that directly helps you play better, but if your keyboard is giving you problems or fatiguing your hands it may help. @sc2lime You don't want a blue switch. Blues are more geared towards typing because of the large tactile bump and a higher amount of force required. So it comes down to brown and black. My understanding is that you're looking at a trade-off in this situation. Browns have a small tactile bump by take less force. Blacks have no bump, but take a little bit more force. For me the reason I wanted a mechanical keyboard was a light and smooth press, using a membrane keyboard was tiring out my hands (I program so I type a lot). So I went with the browns and it's been working well for me. Blacks are also a good choice because they lack the tactile bump which is nice for fast key presses. There's also a fabled red switch which has the lack of a tactile bump and less force like brown switches. It'd be the best choice except it's only available in china from the original maker of the Filco keyboards .
Thanks for this! I think I'll go for the black then.
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I use Logitech Classic Keyboard 200
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On June 21 2010 13:35 -Desu- wrote:I use Logitech Classic Keyboard 200
Me too. Mine cost 15 bucks which is like 7-8 USD
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On June 21 2010 12:41 surLoop wrote:
dont get a lycosa, its just a glamorous rubber dome. imo get a filco if you want to spend some money or get a dell rubber dome for cheap. Both will be better than a lycosa.
I have a lycosa and I love it, but I agree you should look elsewhere for a cheaper keyboard.
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On June 21 2010 11:31 Logo wrote:
The mechanical keyboard, in my opinion, also provides a smoother feel and a springier return as you lift up your finger. Kind of hard to describe. There are mechanical keyboards without the tactile feel, the one I got doesn't have much of one.
As for price and what not, it all comes down to what it's worth to you. Not having my fingers feel stiff and what not was worth the price to me. It's certainly not something that directly helps you play better, but if your keyboard is giving you problems or fatiguing your hands it may help.
@sc2lime You don't want a blue switch. Blues are more geared towards typing because of the large tactile bump and a higher amount of force required.
So it comes down to brown and black. My understanding is that you're looking at a trade-off in this situation. Browns have a small tactile bump by take less force. Blacks have no bump, but take a little bit more force. For me the reason I wanted a mechanical keyboard was a light and smooth press, using a membrane keyboard was tiring out my hands (I program so I type a lot). So I went with the browns and it's been working well for me. Blacks are also a good choice because they lack the tactile bump which is nice for fast key presses.
There's also a fabled red switch which has the lack of a tactile bump and less force like brown switches. It'd be the best choice except it's only available in china from the original maker of the Filco keyboards .
In my experience blues and browns are the same except for the clickyness of the blue switches when you hit the tactile bump. As for gaming i prefer either the blue or brown compared to the black switches because they have that softer feel. My favorite is blue because i love the clicky sound register however if you live with someone and have high apm they may want to kill you. Best bet for most people is usually the brown mechanicals, however if you like a harder feel try the blacks.
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I played with the Lycosa and it wasn't that bad, but I prefer the cheap keyboards with the really clicky buttons. It's what I've used my whole life.
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one of the most awkward keyboards I have ever seen, but I messed with it at best buy and instantly fell in love with it....the fact that it sets so low keeps my wrists from hurting. Super small form factor is great for setting on the couch and using my other (wireless) mouse when I watch movies on my tv w/ laptop. Wireless is perfectly fine for keyboards, Im still skeptical on mice, though razor's wireless mamba or whatever seems pretty amazing
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I really like using the flat apple keyboard.
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On June 21 2010 11:31 Logo wrote:
@sc2lime You don't want a blue switch. Blues are more geared towards typing because of the large tactile bump and a higher amount of force required.
Actually, I use a blue switch Filco and it really just is a brown with clicking installed. The amount of force required is in the middle of the blacks and browns and the tactile bump is pretty much the same as a brown's would be. Its like the mid-ground between a typing keyboard and a gaming keyboard in terms of feel, while possessing a lovely clicking sound.
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with me for more than 10 years, absolutely love it
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Hello guys,
I am planning to buy a Microsoft Sidewinder X6. Not specifically for SC 2, but I just love some of its functionalities.
I was curious if anyone played Starcraft on this keyboard. I know some of the keys are not where they should be and I want to know if that may affect my gameplay.
Here's a pic:
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On June 24 2010 03:04 nemukud wrote:Hello guys, I am planning to buy a Microsoft Sidewinder X6. Not specifically for SC 2, but I just love some of its functionalities. I was curious if anyone played Starcraft on this keyboard. I know some of the keys are not where they should be and I want to know if that may affect my gameplay. Here's a pic:
I see nothing wrong with the keys. The only difference from common keyboards is that you can change the number pad to the left, and no long uses the numberpad for Starcraft.
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I think it's personal preference. I like the cheapest keyboards, did so before I got into competitive sc too. I just like to really feel what I'm pushing and am used to the push distance and required strength of the big key keyboards. I really dig the check board trick, have been using it for a year or so.. don't think it had any kind of a dramatic effect but I just think it's cool :D..
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2010 14:38 surLoop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2010 11:31 Logo wrote:
The mechanical keyboard, in my opinion, also provides a smoother feel and a springier return as you lift up your finger. Kind of hard to describe. There are mechanical keyboards without the tactile feel, the one I got doesn't have much of one.
As for price and what not, it all comes down to what it's worth to you. Not having my fingers feel stiff and what not was worth the price to me. It's certainly not something that directly helps you play better, but if your keyboard is giving you problems or fatiguing your hands it may help.
@sc2lime You don't want a blue switch. Blues are more geared towards typing because of the large tactile bump and a higher amount of force required.
So it comes down to brown and black. My understanding is that you're looking at a trade-off in this situation. Browns have a small tactile bump by take less force. Blacks have no bump, but take a little bit more force. For me the reason I wanted a mechanical keyboard was a light and smooth press, using a membrane keyboard was tiring out my hands (I program so I type a lot). So I went with the browns and it's been working well for me. Blacks are also a good choice because they lack the tactile bump which is nice for fast key presses.
There's also a fabled red switch which has the lack of a tactile bump and less force like brown switches. It'd be the best choice except it's only available in china from the original maker of the Filco keyboards . In my experience blues and browns are the same except for the clickyness of the blue switches when you hit the tactile bump. As for gaming i prefer either the blue or brown compared to the black switches because they have that softer feel. My favorite is blue because i love the clicky sound register however if you live with someone and have high apm they may want to kill you. Best bet for most people is usually the brown mechanicals, however if you like a harder feel try the blacks.
Interesting! I didn't realize that the blues still had less force required than the blacks.
Still wish we could get red switches here in the state (no bump & force of a blue/brown)
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On June 24 2010 03:10 Chaoz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 03:04 nemukud wrote:Hello guys, I am planning to buy a Microsoft Sidewinder X6. Not specifically for SC 2, but I just love some of its functionalities. I was curious if anyone played Starcraft on this keyboard. I know some of the keys are not where they should be and I want to know if that may affect my gameplay. Here's a pic: I see nothing wrong with the keys. The only difference from common keyboards is that you can change the number pad to the left, and no long uses the numberpad for Starcraft.
If you look at the esc and function keys you will easily notice the difference. They are more to the left. Don't know if esc might be a problem as I don't really use it in game and the function keys might be placed better as they are easier to reach with left hand once you get used to the new position.
The real concern is with the bottom line of keys (ctrl/alt/space). It seems they don't have the standard size. It is harder to notice in the picture but just look at the position of right alt key relative to "<" & ">" keys.
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razer lycosa
expensive, but shallow "clicky" buttons and low profile ftw
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On June 24 2010 03:41 Logo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2010 14:38 surLoop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2010 11:31 Logo wrote:
The mechanical keyboard, in my opinion, also provides a smoother feel and a springier return as you lift up your finger. Kind of hard to describe. There are mechanical keyboards without the tactile feel, the one I got doesn't have much of one.
As for price and what not, it all comes down to what it's worth to you. Not having my fingers feel stiff and what not was worth the price to me. It's certainly not something that directly helps you play better, but if your keyboard is giving you problems or fatiguing your hands it may help.
@sc2lime You don't want a blue switch. Blues are more geared towards typing because of the large tactile bump and a higher amount of force required.
So it comes down to brown and black. My understanding is that you're looking at a trade-off in this situation. Browns have a small tactile bump by take less force. Blacks have no bump, but take a little bit more force. For me the reason I wanted a mechanical keyboard was a light and smooth press, using a membrane keyboard was tiring out my hands (I program so I type a lot). So I went with the browns and it's been working well for me. Blacks are also a good choice because they lack the tactile bump which is nice for fast key presses.
There's also a fabled red switch which has the lack of a tactile bump and less force like brown switches. It'd be the best choice except it's only available in china from the original maker of the Filco keyboards . In my experience blues and browns are the same except for the clickyness of the blue switches when you hit the tactile bump. As for gaming i prefer either the blue or brown compared to the black switches because they have that softer feel. My favorite is blue because i love the clicky sound register however if you live with someone and have high apm they may want to kill you. Best bet for most people is usually the brown mechanicals, however if you like a harder feel try the blacks. Interesting! I didn't realize that the blues still had less force required than the blacks. Still wish we could get red switches here in the state (no bump & force of a blue/brown)
Cherry Reds do look nice, however, I'm, a huge fan of that bump i get from using the keys, makes it feel like I'm actually hitting the keys and getting a reaction.
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i have the lycosa and it's just the best keyboard i ever used. Blue DEL light, non-slip keys, anti-ghosting, the wrist rest feels great, usually i don't use it and just take it off, but with this one, it's just convenient and it does it's job.
The macro options are really great, you can assign macros to any of you'r keyboard keys easily and set up 10 different profiles that you can switch easily whenever you want, or just match a profile to a certain game/application and it will swap to that profile when you launch the game.
I had a G15 before, which cost like 30/40 $ more than the lycosa, but is inferior to it in my opinion. On the G15 the macro keys at the sides aren't that easy to reach, you have to use the G keys for you'r macros and i just find them too far from my normal fingers/hand position so in the end i rarely used them. Over all the look, and the options of the Lycosa are really great, it's a great keyboard if you have some money to spend on gaming gear i definitely recommend it.
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right now I'm using the imperator with the adjustable sliding side thumb buttons and I use both keys as macros; for example if I'm playing terran v protoss and I want to go mmm
I'll switch to the right profile on my mouse; and hit one button and i'tll select all my racks and build marine marauder marine marauder or marine maurader marine marine etc.. other button does another macro related to economy
for my keyboard I'm using an apple keyboard http://www.amazon.com/Apple-MB869LL-A-Keyboard/dp/B001UH4VFW its keys are very low and flat like a laptops which I find easier for higher APM
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razer arctosa yeeeeeeeeee
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On August 08 2010 10:47 Kurai wrote:
razer arctosa yeeeeeeeeee Iam with ya :D I bought a lycosa but the only difference between the two is blue LEDs and rubbery keys. So i returned my lycosa and saved my self 30$
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What's the advantages/disadvanteges of the steelseries 7g/falco because their prices are close?
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Been thinking of getting a new ergonomic keyboard (the wave type with the split in the middle), I realize most gamers avoid this type of keyboard but I'm very curious as to why - considering the amount of time they game 0_o
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I was thinking of getting the Razer Marauder, mostly because the lights are really cool, but now I'm looking into a macro/programmable one. Any standouts?
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On June 24 2010 03:04 nemukud wrote:Hello guys, I am planning to buy a Microsoft Sidewinder X6. Not specifically for SC 2, but I just love some of its functionalities. I was curious if anyone played Starcraft on this keyboard. I know some of the keys are not where they should be and I want to know if that may affect my gameplay. Here's a pic:
I've been using my X6 for over a year now. Really like the keyboard. Although I liked the concept of moving the numberpad to the left, I found that it made it really hard for me to find the "home keys" when I started typing. Visually it just feels "wrong" to have that much keyboard to the left of my hands.
The keys themselves are a decent size and although a couple of the keys on the left edge of the main board are smaller, not by so much that you'd notice.
I have avoided using any of the keyboard macro tools for it. Mostly because of similar thoughts to what others have stated. I don't want to get used to a "crutch" like a one-key drone spawn and then have it taken away from me once I get to the point where I can compete and they outlaw such things.
On August 12 2010 01:56 Khao wrote:
Been thinking of getting a new ergonomic keyboard (the wave type with the split in the middle), I realize most gamers avoid this type of keyboard but I'm very curious as to why - considering the amount of time they game 0_o
I think the main reason is when you have to crossup your hands (e.g. using the left hand to press a number '7' group key). I used to use the original Microsoft Natural keyboard for most of my typing and it worked great. But it's made for touch typing using "proper" technique. When you try to reach keys with the "wrong" fingers, you'll find you have to look down a lot to make sure you're hitting the right one.
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