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On March 07 2010 06:40 BeJe77 wrote:
Well the whole point of beta is to find issues and for them to fix them if Coloring is an issue and people notice it, then they will complain about it. It's simple as that :D...
The only thing we can do is complain and wait for official reply if its being addressed :p
I've started 2 threads about this in the Beta forums. One in general, and one in suggestions/balance:
http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23425469959&sid=5000
http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23425469994&sid=5000
Blizzard has not addressed this issue in their last several patches. Few players on the Battle.net forums care about this. I'm asking Teamliquid players in SC2 Beta to support this issue and to bump those threads, as many of us really care about SC2 becoming a successful spectator E-Sport.
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My only issue is how the map can determine the color scheme of the overall game. I'm probably just not used to some games being dark and some games being in the daylight, but I prefer games happening in the daylight for better visibility.
As for mirror battles with units, I have no problem with distinguishing units at all, even on high settings. I think some people just need to get used to it. Keep in mind that we've been playing BW for years so of course we what everything is supposed to look like. I think Blizzard did a great job with at least the silhouettes.
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On March 07 2010 06:29 StarcraftMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 06:24 Ziph wrote:
alt + f the solution to all your problems. And does this fix the Zerg vs Zerg coloring issue on creep?
Obviously because green is way better to see on black/red creep.
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Yeah, while it's nice to hear about these problems, really all these discussions and "yes this is a problem fix it" replies would do more good on the beta forums, it seems. Not saying it shouldn't be discussed here, too. But it would be pretty cool if all these 3/4/5 page threads on little topics also showed up on the official forums.
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On March 07 2010 07:03 Pyrthas wrote:
Yeah, while it's nice to hear about these problems, really all these discussions and "yes this is a problem fix it" replies would do more good on the beta forums, it seems. Not saying it shouldn't be discussed here, too. But it would be pretty cool if all these 3/4/5 page threads on little topics also showed up on the official forums.
Yes, I'm trying to get more TL posters to support me. Some fanboys (maybe lucky WoW opt ins?) don't think it should be fixed. If you're in Beta, go to those two threads in the Beta forums and help get this issue onto Blizzard's plate.
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Pretty much everyone in those threads are responding as to whether they can differentiate on their own computers while playing. Which is prob all they care about.
Somehow we need to get the message to Blizzard that it's exponentially harder to differentiate while watching on a stream as a spectator.
Also the ppl posting that complainers should chill out because this is beta are off. They've been working on graphics for this entire time and this is really what the Blizz dev team believe are the best product. This is not like balancing issues where they are all prepared to make significant changes already. Unless people actively complain, they will be pretty set with their graphics.
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On March 07 2010 07:25 yoshi_yoshi wrote:
Pretty much everyone in those threads are responding as to whether they can differentiate on their own computers while playing. Which is prob all they care about.
Somehow we need to get the message to Blizzard that it's exponentially harder to differentiate while watching on a stream as a spectator.
Also the ppl posting that complainers should chill out because this is beta are off. They've been working on graphics for this entire time and this is really what the Blizz dev team believe are the best product. This is not like balancing issues where they are all prepared to make significant changes already. Unless people actively complain, they will be pretty set with their graphics.
The problem is, I'm fighting an uphill battle against casual players that probably don't care about the spectating aspect of SC2. That's why I'm asking for help from fellow TLers who value the specatating aspect of SC2.
I already complained about the confusion on streams before getting into Beta but many people kept telling me it would be different in game.
Well, I'm in Beta and I'm playing the game, and it's still confusing. I think the best quote is from Wolfe.eflow in that thread http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23425469994&sid=5000:
I was playing with a friend, both of us zerg. I was yellow and he was green.
I kept trying to move his units.
It sucked.
This is exactly how I felt. When my zealots clashed with the opponent's zealots, it was just one random unit mess.
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On March 07 2010 07:07 StarcraftMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 07:03 Pyrthas wrote:
Yeah, while it's nice to hear about these problems, really all these discussions and "yes this is a problem fix it" replies would do more good on the beta forums, it seems. Not saying it shouldn't be discussed here, too. But it would be pretty cool if all these 3/4/5 page threads on little topics also showed up on the official forums. Yes, I'm trying to get more TL posters to support me. Some fanboys (maybe lucky WoW opt ins?) don't think it should be fixed. If you're in Beta, go to those two threads in the Beta forums and help get this issue onto Blizzard's plate. I saw the replies in the threads. :/ Unfortunately, I'm not in beta (I could never even get the opt-in software to work).
On March 07 2010 07:25 yoshi_yoshi wrote:
Somehow we need to get the message to Blizzard that it's exponentially harder to differentiate while watching on a stream as a spectator. This is important. All those replies about it being a compressed image on the official forums sort of missed the mark, since streams are, for the foreseeable future, going to be compressed to hell and back.
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on 11 its easy red and blue, and imo 11 is the most important.
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On March 07 2010 07:37 Pyrthas wrote:
This is important. All those replies about it being a compressed image on the official forums sort of missed the mark, since streams are, for the foreseeable future, going to be compressed to hell and back.
We need to drown out the naysayers and get this on Blizzard's list of priorities. Perhaps if some TL admins could put this at the forefront to get as many TL beta testers to bump this issue - if we could get all TL beta testers to join in, that would make a difference.
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On March 07 2010 06:24 Ziph wrote:
alt + f the solution to all your problems.
Yeah, really.
Stating that this will be the single reason to kill SC2 as a spectator sport makes me laugh, when there's a clear solution available. =P
edit: I like how like 5 people have mentioned this and nobody is actually acknowledging it or reading the thread.
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I doubt pro maps will have the night-time lighting scheme. I assume spectator maps will have a bright overhead light a la blistering sands or desert oasis. Also, if they can pick colors, they can make sure they contrast enough.
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FIX COLORS PLOXXX BLIZZARDPLOYEEZ REDEN DIS!
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I have the same problem with WC3. Why can't they just make your units be completely your color like in SC1 instead of trying to make shit look more realistic or whatever? Flashy graphics don't make an RTS.
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On March 07 2010 07:43 Mikilatov wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 06:24 Ziph wrote:
alt + f the solution to all your problems. Yeah, really. Stating that this will be the single reason to kill SC2 as a spectator sport makes me laugh, when there's a clear solution available. =P edit: I like how like 5 people have mentioned this and nobody is actually acknowledging it or reading the thread.
Does alt-f really solve the issue with Zerg vs Zerg on creep? Because you can alt-f through many color variations, and you may still have difficulty seperating zerg units from different sides in creep battles.
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On March 07 2010 06:37 MeruFM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 06:26 kingjames01 wrote:
Not that anyone in this thread have been negative... I'm just trying thinking about all of the other threads I've been reading lately. "Oh, I've noticed that this aspect of the game might need tweaking." "Oh shut up you n00b and just enjoy what you have! I don't have a problem and if you were a pro, you'd like it too." Man, those types of replies are annoying... It seems like a pretty complicated fix really. I mean, they probably understand the problem but are trying to find ways to fix it. Better just add a complaint on the b.net forums than rant off here for a couple minutes when full time paid programmers/artists/designers have probably contemplated the coloring issues for weeks if not months. The whiner side is also just as annoying, you just put a polar spin on them. From what I can see, it's often something like "Oh my god, blizzard has killed starcraft 2 and here's why... blah blah blah" so they're not much better than the responses.
How complicated is it to program in a "make my units bright colors" option?
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On March 07 2010 08:03 PJA wrote:
How complicated is it to program in a "make my units bright colors" option?
I'm suggesting an "enhance player color" slider in the options menu. People that like the colors gritty can leave the default setting of the slider as is. People that like brighter identifiable colors should be able to change the slider to something they like. This would be invaluable to streamers.
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Maybe some of you just have poor eyesight. I actually have a very easy time distinguishing the units apart, even the blue/teal zealots. The only time I can see this being a problem for spectators is if the broadcast isn't in HD and is instead grainy/blurry.
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Change yourself to green and enemies to red, problem solved.
Also, you gave us a "borked" screenshot. That isn't how you see it on your screen so why would you resize it? I'm sure it looks fine on your actual resolution.
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This is how extreme the colors are in BW. Look at the RED zerg. its fricken red! /// Please blizzard make at least the colors like they were. The "color" really needs to be changed. especially on the zerg side of things. ahem. the creep color.
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