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On March 03 2010 01:58 Ahzz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2010 01:50 Jarvs wrote:On March 03 2010 01:33 paulinepain wrote:
i played vs moon it took me 10min to take him down, and i really suck, w3 players got serious issue with speed and expanding, they aren't a threat at all. But i have to give credit that they are good at surrounding unit LLLLL>>>OOO>>>>>LLLLL You're kidding right? Do I really need to name all the war3 players that are doing exceptionally well in the beta? Do I need to start naming how many times more SC gamers there are who are doing FAR better in the beta?
This are stupid arguements WC3 pros are pretty fast players also , maybe not as fast as SC players , but they are more used to MBS then SC players .
You do know that Moon is also a protoss player in Starcraft that sometimes plays with Wemade fox's pros and has something like 300 APM ? If Moon switches over to SC2 and he is supported by Wemade fox he will no doubtebly own in SC 2 too .
I don't know if his build was pre - planned or if Moon was just trying out things I don't even know if that is the real Moon. I don't even know if his build sucks ass i have zero knowledge of the game , but looking at some guys here having little above zero knowledge of the game saying that he is terrible, with the arguement he just turtles and doesn't attack is just wrong . You know in starcraft terran players a lot of times win by only controling their half of the map without even attacking . Now SC2 is a diffrent game but i'm pretty sure that no one has a true understanding of it with just 2 - 3 weeks of beta .
From my point of view it does seem kind of suspicious game , but not because Moon was just turtleing , but because from the map you can see that Artosis was on 2 bases the whole game , and at some point Artosis was just sending random zerglings and units with no really explainable purpose .
I think that they were just both fooling around and not playing seriously , but Artosis could have very well trolled us :D
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hes just a troll.. ignore him
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that was a terrible plan by moon. sit around and do nothing. I am sure it was exciting to play vs moon, but would have rather had your view than a turtle who only makes 1 half assed attack
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Surprising to see how many players insist on trying to use vikings for fighting mutalisks, considering that the damage bonus is heavily geared towards antiarmor.
Still, good to see mech being tried, even if he did transition out of it in the midgame to go mass viking. It looks a lot more interesting than bio pushes, and I get the distinct impression that thors will turn out to be super strong versus mutalisks. Not only because they do terrible terrible damage and take a LONG time to kill, but because the extreme range and massive burst should really punish a player who tries to dart in and out with mutas.
Seems like siege tanks are a pretty big liability for defense now though, given that they can apparently one-shot scvs. (right when the second expansion landed, a zergling suicided to kill an scv and what I assume to be a turret).
Really good game. It's encouraging to think that once the timings and turret numbers get worked out, and vikings either get changed to an anti muta unit, or people stop massing them so early before brood lords are going to be an issue, mech might really be quite viable. The tank/thor especially, seems really strong because the thors take a lot of siege tank hits to kill, but the zerglings attacking them do not. Just frustrating to see everyone using huge amounts of gas building a unit that's anti-air is so clearly geared for fighting armor. That's a lot of thors that didn't get built, and a whole nother set of upgrades needed for something that clearly wasn't part of an offensive plan.
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I don't think it was a plan at all, postaljester. It looks like he is still getting a feel for how stuff works, and how the units perform together.
Consider this.... a planetary fortress.... in his main? seems like he just wanted to survive to the midgame and see how his units performed. I am sure that once a build actually emerges, that's not likely to be a huge part of it. Plus, the tech lab on a barracks for only two reapers, when that factory could have really used it to pump out the early tank/thor. I am SURE that if the build survives further testing, that tech lab would get used on the factory to save some gas and time. Plus, the lack of scouting at all of any kind in the midgame, and the apparent lack of concern that he was letting zerg take basically three quarters of the map for free.
I don't see it as a game, so much as just testing stuff out. Wish someone would just spam the hell out of thors and see if it's actually viable versus mutalisks. It worked for sentries, right?
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He very well could have just been messing around, but if the game as very little action in it and no real set plan I would not call it epic.
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lol at the US. korean-imitating macrobots rejecting a Korean for trying new stuff. Seems kinda backwards.
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that was half an hour wasted. slow action. dang.
no scouting at all.
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It's weird it looks like he didn't know he could land his Vikings
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I can assure you this is not Moon. I played this guy, and I'm quite certain Moon has more than 50 SC II APM.
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Yeh, the only way I see it possible is if Artosis somehow has a Korean ID, even then i doubt it was the real moon trying at 100%..
If Artosis just played the Moon that is on the US server.. as the other thread about Identifiers/names has shown, anyone can make that name. Hell, if I get my key in afew days, I can make my name Artosis.moocow then everygame I play/replay of me will be Artosis as well. That system really needs to change.
And Moon if I recall has over 300+ apm in war3, so I am skeptical if that moon has 50 apm in sc2.. that its the same person. Hmm
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On March 03 2010 03:28 Rothbardian wrote:
I can assure you this is not Moon. I played this guy, and I'm quite certain Moon has more than 50 SC II APM.
Christ .. you guys need to learn to read, it is not the Moon from US or European servers, its the Moon on asia. I am absolutely certain that Artosis didn't just get matched against a person called "Moon" and instantly assumed it was the wc3 legend.
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Yo guys, Artosis said it was really Moon more than once. Don't you guys trust him?
Thanks for the VOD, I thought it was a fun to watch opening.
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On March 03 2010 03:38 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2010 03:28 Rothbardian wrote:
I can assure you this is not Moon. I played this guy, and I'm quite certain Moon has more than 50 SC II APM. Christ .. you guys need to learn to read, it is not the Moon from US or European servers, its the Moon on asia. I am absolutely certain that Artosis didn't just get matched against a person called "Moon" and instantly assumed it was the wc3 legend.
Edited: It appears Artosis is running the Korean Version therefore, it is most likely the real Moon.
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On March 03 2010 01:33 paulinepain wrote:
i played vs moon it took me 10min to take him down, and i really suck, w3 players got serious issue with speed and expanding, they aren't a threat at all. But i have to give credit that they are good at surrounding unit LLLLL>>>OOO>>>>>LLLLL
lol I've lost to kiwikaki several times, Idra is also 1-6 vs kiwikaki
he's a war3 player, you're off T_T
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This player is obviously not moon, perhaps a less-skilled player from We Made Fox was using his account to try out a specific build.
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to be honest i was disapointed by the play, but i thought moon played zerg? maybe he is just off racing to get a better feel of how the other races work and then will concentrate on playing zerg
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On March 03 2010 03:51 SteeJanS wrote:
This player is obviously not moon, perhaps a less-skilled player from We Made Fox was using his account to try out a specific build.
Or maybe his friend borrowed his account?
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Moon has proven time and time again he is one of the best progamers in the WORLD across all games. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply ignorant and hasn't seen him crush sc1 players in sc2.
This game, if it really is Moon, is clearly just him fucking around, trying something, or doing homework/eating while playing for fun. He is a VERY good player and has the ability to be one of the best in the world. While playing wc3 he was often considered a sc player playing wc3 because his mechanics are insane. He has also played many games of sc1 against sc1 progamers and won/faired well. To say anything else than that is to show that you are an ignorant hater who doesn't really know anything but likes to "rag on" wc3 players.
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