EPTalso...this was the longest SC2 game i've played so far!
Moon (T) vs (R Z) Artosis
EnjoY~
P.S. - normally i just post the VODs into my Artosis VODs thread, but this strategy is so interesting to me and this player is epic enough that i made it here
Moon vs Artosis
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
also...this was the longest SC2 game i've played so far! Moon (T) vs (R Z) Artosis EnjoY~ P.S. - normally i just post the VODs into my Artosis VODs thread, but this strategy is so interesting to me and this player is epic enough that i made it here | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
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Monokeros
United States2493 Posts
Edit: holy crap they weren't kidding the Korean dubs are AWFUL. I mean I know sc1 had like a mix of Japanese/Korean in their dubs, but thats just ridiculous, sounds like it was recorded in a tin wind tunnel. | ||
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zee
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Monokeros
United States2493 Posts
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Puosu
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
and this was played on the asian server. moon does NOT play on the us server. | ||
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Konsume
Canada466 Posts
it is better that way we can analyse it<3 Artosis | ||
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keneten
Sweden6 Posts
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Memoria
Korea (South)36 Posts
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FortuneSyn
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Puosu
7012 Posts
On March 02 2010 22:30 Memoria wrote: is it jae ho jang (wc3 god) or the fat moon !? one of the greatest and most accomplished RTS players of all time You'd think that would make it obvious.. obviously its the fat moon, no wc3 player could ever get such respect from Artosis! + Show Spoiler + lol its jang jae ho | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
I noticed this in many other matches I watched; hopefully you guys are just noobs and there isn't anything hopelessly wrong with SC2. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
THank you so much Artosis | ||
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Highways
Australia6106 Posts
Cheers. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
From what I saw he pretty well made whatever he felt like at the moment; I saw almost 0 real thought into his build simply because he scouted you like (edit: ) ONLY once at the beginning of the game! Either that or I have no idea what I am talking about and he completely had you read from the initial 3-4 buildings. Probably the latter but still. | ||
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
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Monokeros
United States2493 Posts
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17719 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Is it standard in SC2 now that virtually nothing happens in the game (no battles) for over 10 minutes? Also, this planetary fortress must've surprised you Artosis | ||
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Memoria
Korea (South)36 Posts
On March 02 2010 22:33 Puosu wrote: You'd think that would make it obvious.. obviously its the fat moon, no wc3 player could ever get such respect from Artosis! + Show Spoiler + lol its jang jae ho no ironic pls im totally new here and dont know pros etc. even this "artosis" is for me a guy about i heard 1st time now . i checked wmf hp and this fat moon is P player and T . and as i remember Moon(*wc3) played vs NADA Z . so -_- is it the fat or the wc3 1 | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
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keneten
Sweden6 Posts
On March 02 2010 22:45 Manit0u wrote: The audio is really terrible (seems out of sync and I can't really stand this "chun li, why not" all the time). Absolutely brilliant. | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
On March 02 2010 22:45 Manit0u wrote: The audio is really terrible (seems out of sync and I can't really stand this "chun li, why not" all the time). + Show Spoiler + Is it standard in SC2 now that virtually nothing happens in the game (no battles) for over 10 minutes? Also, this planetary fortress must've surprised you Artosis Nothing is Standard in SC2.. game has been out for 11 days..besides, most games do have early game harass. | ||
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Fzero
United States1503 Posts
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WoLFoU
France69 Posts
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ivirj
Mexico79 Posts
Holy fuck there's absolutely no action and I've watched half the game already... I noticed this in many other matches I watched; hopefully you guys are just noobs and there isn't anything hopelessly wrong with SC2. Yeah, the game they played isnt starcraft they played something else ;-; | ||
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Bosko
United States155 Posts
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
Artosis, please figure out how to produce quality videos before you record new videos. Your news show is pretty good already. If you need help send me a PM, I might be able to help you. | ||
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Puosu
7012 Posts
On March 02 2010 22:53 WoLFoU wrote: In my opinion, it's no the Warcraft 3 player, Moon. I have seen Moon at WWI 2008 (Paris), and it's was far far better, multitask a lot. In this game, no scooting, no harass, no micro. Artosis lives in Korea, has met and interviewed Moon/his coaches etc. so you can trust him, its not a random us east player claiming he has played nada on east. -_- | ||
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MidKnight
Lithuania884 Posts
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
That being said, game was boring, but in a funny way. At some point he should have switched to mass marines to rape all those mutas tho | ||
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Tef
Sweden443 Posts
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wonkman
United States520 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
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Leoj
United States396 Posts
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
No scouting, no micro, no clue. Still, thanks for your work, appreciate all you're doing for us | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 02 2010 22:46 Memoria wrote: no ironic pls im totally new here and dont know pros etc. even this "artosis" is for me a guy about i heard 1st time now . i checked wmf hp and this fat moon is P player and T . and as i remember Moon(*wc3) played vs NADA Z . so -_- is it the fat or the wc3 1 Moon is the so called fifth race of Warcraft3, he and Grubby are probably the best players of all time, and Moon is known for playing the beta befor it was publicly released, and owning in it. So it's about him, not the fat guy. Artosis is like the incarnated eSports, he's from the US and lives in Korea, and works in e-sport for a media-giant, does a lot of coverage and other stuff. | ||
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Deleted User 31060
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Manit0u
Poland17719 Posts
 Do you really believe that someone capable of insane micro and who likes to play aggressively would resort to heavy turtle and doing nothing the entire game? Seems like a waste of 300apm... | ||
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Bob123
Korea (North)259 Posts
Anyway, mass mutas seem unstoppable to me, if you get there o_O; There really needs to be some kind of AoE flier like in BW that counters this kind of stack-of-doom strategies. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17719 Posts
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
On March 02 2010 23:22 Bob123 wrote: Why do people assume that gosu wc3 = gosu sc2? You still have to learn and practice; maybe it's one of his first games or something? Anyway, mass mutas seem unstoppable to me, if you get there o_O; There really needs to be some kind of AoE flier like in BW that counters this kind of stack-of-doom strategies. Its not that, its that Moon has played SC2 games before and dominated everyone hes played.. Like most SC1 Pros. When hes at 100%, he is going to be def top 3 in the world in SC2. No doubt in my mind. If this really is him (which I dunno, have my doubts).. He is clearly not trying, and just testing things for fun. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
So "Moon" on the US ladder is not probably not him. | ||
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
On March 02 2010 23:24 Manit0u wrote: I don't assume he's going to be gosu in SC2. I only assume that he would actually do SOMETHING besides building a ton of turrets. I believe that mnm play isn't something he's not familiar with... What if he's just trying out new stuff? It's just the beta not like he was playing to win money here. How can people find new strategies if they just mass marines every game? I thought it was pretty cool he held out way longer than I expected. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On March 02 2010 23:22 Bob123 wrote: Anyway, mass mutas seem unstoppable to me, if you get there o_O; There really needs to be some kind of AoE flier like in BW that counters this kind of stack-of-doom strategies. Marines should rip mutas up in cost-efficiency. Thors should also be quite good at killing mutas, except for the fact that mutas are immensely more mobile so you need to force a fight if you want to engage the muta stack with a large number of them (i.e. move in on the zerg base and force him to defend). Vikings are not ideal to fight mutas, nor are missile turrets. Engaging a muta army of vastly higher resources with an army mostly consisting of turrets and vikings means you will lose. | ||
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RyanS
United States620 Posts
On March 02 2010 23:33 Zato-1 wrote: Early planetary fortress was indeed very original. The rest of the game was classic Moon from WC3: long-winded, stalling, boring play. Because Moon's a winner and doesn't suicide his units into a heavily defended expansion. | ||
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
and why did he randomly send out 4 seige tanks to die with no support, when he had his best chance to go on offense? | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
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Orlandu
China2450 Posts
Anyway, like I said I haven't seen the game so I can't say much more than that, but I did want to point out that Moon is especially fond of things like what is being described, and for that reason there shouldn't be much doubt at all over whether or not it's really Moon (given Artosis' confidence, of course). I've personally witnessed some of Moon's practice games in WarCraft 3 (not games that anyone that wasn't standing behind him would ever see) where he'll do strategies that look really terrible and he'll end up losing as a result, but he'll really spend his time enjoying the game as much as he can and just seeing what he can do with what he's got (and he's a bitch to beat even when he's clearly losing). When you're not watching him in person, it probably looks a lot less impressive than it really is, but make no mistake, Moon has some talent for games like these. Really cool of you to post something like this Artosis, hope I get a chance to view it soon. | ||
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Rothbardian
United States497 Posts
On March 02 2010 22:08 Artosis wrote: i ran into one of the greatest and most accomplished RTS players of all time on the SC2 beta. here is a VOD of his point of view while playing me. he uses a strategy i have absolutely never seen before which excites me to no end. absolutely love his opening. also...this was the longest SC2 game i've played so far! Moon (T) vs (R Z) Artosis EnjoY~ P.S. - normally i just post the VODs into my Artosis VODs thread, but this strategy is so interesting to me and this player is epic enough that i made it here Wait is this really Moon? I played him once, I don't remember actually winning or not....let me look up my replay folder... Yeah, I lost in 25 minute game. I played horrible, and was one of my first games, and I had more APM than him at 57 lmao (I didn't know much so I was winging it), and he beat me, but not by too much. He didn't seem "great" to me...I can post the replay if you guys want. | ||
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Lefnui
United States753 Posts
On March 02 2010 23:09 wintergt wrote: Is this really moon from wc3? It would make sense since wc3 is pretty much dead and the pros will jump the sc2 ship to make money That's not true for Moon and a few other Warcraft III players. They make very good salaries. I'm not sure about this, but doesn't Moon make much more than most Starcraft progamers? On March 02 2010 23:33 Zato-1 wrote: The rest of the game was classic Moon from WC3: long-winded, stalling, boring play. You couldn't be more wrong about that. Moon is known for having the most exciting, interesting and creative play in Warcraft III. Very often his strategies involve endless harassment and nonstop action. | ||
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rkarhu
Finland570 Posts
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Ahzz
Finland780 Posts
If this is moon, it just proves that wc3 suck total ass in SC2 or he was experimenting. Either way, the game was boring, and there was nothing good about his opening in my mind. The pinnacle of the game was getting quick thor, nothing else. -When he expanded he had like 1 thor and.... nothing? Zerg should have crushed him -he made vikings to do what? Counter mutas? Vikings are possibly the worst anti-air unit in the game except for zerglings against mutas. The worst part is, he didnt even try and go harass with them after he had like 20 (which was wise in this game, but why did he make them in the first place?) -he didnt use mules at all, which slowed him down enough that he would have lost for that if not for any other reason -He barely had anything even after having 3 mining bases for a long time The only thing that amuses me more about this game is how the game took 40 minutes against the impregnable defense of 5 siege tanks and 1 thor. I'd like to know what part about this game, aside from getting a quick thor, was anything noteworthy? | ||
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mmdmmd
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wut_wut3
United States221 Posts
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
On March 02 2010 23:58 Lefnui wrote: That's not true for Moon and a few other Warcraft III players. They make very good salaries. I'm not sure about this, but doesn't Moon make much more than most Starcraft progamers? Yep. Probably not so anymore now with wc3 kinda dead (impression I am getting atleast), but some time ago I read an article about a big shocker in the sc community when they found out how much more moon, a wc3 player, was making than them | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
I'd be interested to see your POV and see if you took the whole map or not. | ||
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gihan84
United States10 Posts
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Rojam
Germany234 Posts
On March 02 2010 22:25 Artosis wrote: oh does replay not start on right speed? oops. and this was played on the asian server. moon does NOT play on the us server. It's not the moon from US beta obviously, but are you certain it's the real moon Artosis ? It's really hard to believe right now | ||
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
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oob
Sweden630 Posts
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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mmp
United States2130 Posts
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PfiliTehDwarf
Germany66 Posts
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Jarvs
Australia639 Posts
Regardless, nice win by Artosis. | ||
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HalfAmazing
Netherlands402 Posts
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Eeevil
Netherlands359 Posts
Second long game I see played where Terran isn't Mueling like mad but goes for defense. BTW, WTF do those terran turrets shoot, Peanuts ? The disregard the Z player had for those things was appalling. Hopefully damage done will be lowered across all races so that turrets have more time to actually provide support. (not to mention all those spontaneously combusting armies in battles)) | ||
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DorF
Sweden961 Posts
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iFU.pauline
France1695 Posts
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Lefnui
United States753 Posts
On March 03 2010 01:33 paulinepain wrote: i played vs moon it took me 10min to take him down, and i really suck, w3 players got serious issue with speed and expanding, they aren't a threat at all. But i have to give credit that they are good at surrounding unit LLLLL>>>OOO>>>>>LLLLL Which is why Warcraft III players are at the top of many divisions, right? And I'd like to see you against Kiwi. | ||
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Jarvs
Australia639 Posts
On March 03 2010 01:33 paulinepain wrote: i played vs moon it took me 10min to take him down, and i really suck, w3 players got serious issue with speed and expanding, they aren't a threat at all. But i have to give credit that they are good at surrounding unit LLLLL>>>OOO>>>>>LLLLL You're kidding right? Do I really need to name all the war3 players that are doing exceptionally well in the beta? | ||
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Ahzz
Finland780 Posts
On March 03 2010 01:50 Jarvs wrote: You're kidding right? Do I really need to name all the war3 players that are doing exceptionally well in the beta? Do I need to start naming how many times more SC gamers there are who are doing FAR better in the beta? | ||
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
On March 03 2010 01:33 paulinepain wrote: i played vs moon it took me 10min to take him down, and i really suck, w3 players got serious issue with speed and expanding, they aren't a threat at all. But i have to give credit that they are good at surrounding unit LLLLL>>>OOO>>>>>LLLLL let me guess you played vs the fake moon on the US server and not the real one on the Asian server.LLOOOLL | ||
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SwaY-
Dominican Republic463 Posts
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Orlandu
China2450 Posts
On March 03 2010 01:58 Ahzz wrote: Do I need to start naming how many times more SC gamers there are who are doing FAR better in the beta? Why would you try to encourage an irrelevant (and ignorant) debate like that? Clearly there are War3 players at the very top (KiWiKaKi for example), so your statement is obviously wrong and biased, but aside from that, it's also pretty clear that the playing field is pretty level right now. Even if it wasn't, there are a multitude of reasons why such an argument is silly right now. Why are people always looking to fight about the games? The guy you quoted wasn't even saying anything negative about StarCraft players, he was just responding to a guy who clearly hasn't read the thread and is just wanting to cause trouble. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On March 03 2010 01:58 Ahzz wrote: Do I need to start naming how many times more SC gamers there are who are doing FAR better in the beta? This are stupid arguements WC3 pros are pretty fast players also , maybe not as fast as SC players , but they are more used to MBS then SC players . You do know that Moon is also a protoss player in Starcraft that sometimes plays with Wemade fox's pros and has something like 300 APM ? If Moon switches over to SC2 and he is supported by Wemade fox he will no doubtebly own in SC 2 too . I don't know if his build was pre - planned or if Moon was just trying out things I don't even know if that is the real Moon. I don't even know if his build sucks ass i have zero knowledge of the game , but looking at some guys here having little above zero knowledge of the game saying that he is terrible, with the arguement he just turtles and doesn't attack is just wrong . You know in starcraft terran players a lot of times win by only controling their half of the map without even attacking . Now SC2 is a diffrent game but i'm pretty sure that no one has a true understanding of it with just 2 - 3 weeks of beta . From my point of view it does seem kind of suspicious game , but not because Moon was just turtleing , but because from the map you can see that Artosis was on 2 bases the whole game , and at some point Artosis was just sending random zerglings and units with no really explainable purpose . I think that they were just both fooling around and not playing seriously , but Artosis could have very well trolled us :D | ||
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StarsPride
United States364 Posts
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Postaljester
United States128 Posts
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timmins
Canada31 Posts
Still, good to see mech being tried, even if he did transition out of it in the midgame to go mass viking. It looks a lot more interesting than bio pushes, and I get the distinct impression that thors will turn out to be super strong versus mutalisks. Not only because they do terrible terrible damage and take a LONG time to kill, but because the extreme range and massive burst should really punish a player who tries to dart in and out with mutas. Seems like siege tanks are a pretty big liability for defense now though, given that they can apparently one-shot scvs. (right when the second expansion landed, a zergling suicided to kill an scv and what I assume to be a turret). Really good game. It's encouraging to think that once the timings and turret numbers get worked out, and vikings either get changed to an anti muta unit, or people stop massing them so early before brood lords are going to be an issue, mech might really be quite viable. The tank/thor especially, seems really strong because the thors take a lot of siege tank hits to kill, but the zerglings attacking them do not. Just frustrating to see everyone using huge amounts of gas building a unit that's anti-air is so clearly geared for fighting armor. That's a lot of thors that didn't get built, and a whole nother set of upgrades needed for something that clearly wasn't part of an offensive plan. | ||
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timmins
Canada31 Posts
Consider this.... a planetary fortress.... in his main? seems like he just wanted to survive to the midgame and see how his units performed. I am sure that once a build actually emerges, that's not likely to be a huge part of it. Plus, the tech lab on a barracks for only two reapers, when that factory could have really used it to pump out the early tank/thor. I am SURE that if the build survives further testing, that tech lab would get used on the factory to save some gas and time. Plus, the lack of scouting at all of any kind in the midgame, and the apparent lack of concern that he was letting zerg take basically three quarters of the map for free. I don't see it as a game, so much as just testing stuff out. Wish someone would just spam the hell out of thors and see if it's actually viable versus mutalisks. It worked for sentries, right? | ||
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Postaljester
United States128 Posts
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
no scouting at all. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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Rothbardian
United States497 Posts
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
If Artosis just played the Moon that is on the US server.. as the other thread about Identifiers/names has shown, anyone can make that name. Hell, if I get my key in afew days, I can make my name Artosis.moocow then everygame I play/replay of me will be Artosis as well. That system really needs to change. And Moon if I recall has over 300+ apm in war3, so I am skeptical if that moon has 50 apm in sc2.. that its the same person. Hmm | ||
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EvilSky
Czech Republic548 Posts
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Puosu
7012 Posts
On March 03 2010 03:28 Rothbardian wrote: I can assure you this is not Moon. I played this guy, and I'm quite certain Moon has more than 50 SC II APM. Christ .. you guys need to learn to read, it is not the Moon from US or European servers, its the Moon on asia. I am absolutely certain that Artosis didn't just get matched against a person called "Moon" and instantly assumed it was the wc3 legend. | ||
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baeracaed
United States604 Posts
Thanks for the VOD, I thought it was a fun to watch opening. | ||
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Rothbardian
United States497 Posts
On March 03 2010 03:38 Puosu wrote: Christ .. you guys need to learn to read, it is not the Moon from US or European servers, its the Moon on asia. I am absolutely certain that Artosis didn't just get matched against a person called "Moon" and instantly assumed it was the wc3 legend. Edited: It appears Artosis is running the Korean Version therefore, it is most likely the real Moon. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On March 03 2010 01:33 paulinepain wrote: i played vs moon it took me 10min to take him down, and i really suck, w3 players got serious issue with speed and expanding, they aren't a threat at all. But i have to give credit that they are good at surrounding unit LLLLL>>>OOO>>>>>LLLLL lol I've lost to kiwikaki several times, Idra is also 1-6 vs kiwikaki he's a war3 player, you're off T_T | ||
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SteeJanS
Canada111 Posts
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Paperkat
United Kingdom47 Posts
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On March 03 2010 03:51 SteeJanS wrote: This player is obviously not moon, perhaps a less-skilled player from We Made Fox was using his account to try out a specific build. Or maybe his friend borrowed his account? | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
This game, if it really is Moon, is clearly just him fucking around, trying something, or doing homework/eating while playing for fun. He is a VERY good player and has the ability to be one of the best in the world. While playing wc3 he was often considered a sc player playing wc3 because his mechanics are insane. He has also played many games of sc1 against sc1 progamers and won/faired well. To say anything else than that is to show that you are an ignorant hater who doesn't really know anything but likes to "rag on" wc3 players. | ||
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Deleted User 55994
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Edit: Just got done watching, the way he played was definitely very new (did he even get an orbital command? I loved the opening, planetary fortress+building all tech near it was very nice) but I just have to question some things, for example he didn't even check to see how many bases you were on or scout period until 24 minutes in. I also felt that during your first big muta/corruptor attack you could've taken the game unless I missed something (it's very small, so I could have), you killed every viking and he had nothing at his 3rd left to defend it from mutas except thors that were very far away. | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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-fj.
Samoa462 Posts
It seems like you could have crushed him whenever you wanted during the whole game, he had no units. He never even left his side of the map. bad game imo :E + Show Spoiler + THOR WA GAT CHA | ||
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iSiN
United States1075 Posts
On March 03 2010 05:50 -fj. wrote: Will you ever upload a game where you lose? It seems like you could have crushed him whenever you wanted during the whole game, he had no units. He never even left his side of the map. bad game imo :E + Show Spoiler + THOR WA GAT CHA I wouldn't upload my losses unless they were kinda epic games... + Show Spoiler + Go watch Artosis vs Louder MLG series | ||
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Mike941
United States98 Posts
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Clow
Brazil880 Posts
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
But it's nice to see more macro-oriented games and more turtelling from T. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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Notorious-B.I.G
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Lyter
United Kingdom2145 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
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stenole
Norway869 Posts
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + could be ... | ||
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
On March 03 2010 07:12 Notorious-B.I.G wrote: is there anyway to confirm if this was wc3 moon for sure? Yep. On March 03 2010 00:45 Artosis wrote: yes, its moon. no, its not the best game ever played. yes, the strategy is very interesting (TvZ is nearly impossible atm imo, really liked his opening. very very safe.). | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On March 03 2010 07:21 avilo wrote: just because he's moon does not make him good at SC2. I think the video clearly demonstrated that. but wtf @ mutas, there musta been 40+ artosis had that were 1 shotting everything lol Try reading the thread before you make posts like this. | ||
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
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Puosu
7012 Posts
He never claimed Moon was playing seriously or win in mind attitude, this might've been one of his first games as terran and he was checking out the units and buildings, you can't expect him to be a 400 apm aggressive beast at a game he has hardly ever played, he got where he is by practicing a ton and right now he hasn't had that kind of opportunity for SC2 yet, I also like overusing commas thus resulting in the longest sentences in the whole god damn world, seriously. | ||
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IPS.ZeRo
Germany1142 Posts
This looked like a scripted oh yeah lets do a big air battle instead of a game where the players actually wanted to win. | ||
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pioneer8
United States143 Posts
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251
United States1401 Posts
edit: well I see that he's actually going random and getting Zerg most often. lol | ||
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Retsukage
United States1002 Posts
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Notorious-B.I.G
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i think artosis is a genius personaly but we all make mistakes every now and then | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
On March 03 2010 00:45 Artosis wrote: yes, its moon. no, its not the best game ever played. yes, the strategy is very interesting (TvZ is nearly impossible atm imo, really liked his opening. very very safe.). TvZ isn't nearly as difficult as TvP. TvP early game is a nightmare. | ||
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Sastopher
United States3 Posts
Upon scouting the fortress upgrade, a zerg opponent has a guaranteed expansion and can use all his larvae on drones. Coupled with the lack of terran mules, this gives him a huge economic advantage that the Terran can only counter by strong harass into an expand of his own supported by his high tech units. Even though the terran was able to expand successfully, he had no idea what zerg was doing the entire game. He never got comsat, never scouted with his air units, and never sent out reaper or hellion squads to check bases and harass drone lines. His siege tanks were unsupported on the ground and were easily picked off by small to moderate groups of zerglings. I was also disappointed his build didn't emphasize upgrades more, since it was obviously geared to a late-game strategy. | ||
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z]Benny
Romania253 Posts
On March 03 2010 03:26 Fayth wrote: It's weird it looks like he didn't know he could land his Vikings Yeah that was really weird. The game seemed full of these odd, curious mistakes. | ||
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fams
Canada731 Posts
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
btw, im trying to figure out how to record sound better for future VODs, if anyone can give me an idea of how to do that (im using dxtory right now..camtasia and hypercam dont seem to cut it at all to record SC2...) and the strategy really is quite cool. i dont like staying in that mode forever, but the opening is really awesome. its completely safe from everything + has full tech and expo up so fast...really so interesting imo. | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
I agree that it was a really cool opening... but sometimes his play was kinda awkward. I'm sure once he gets the hang of it we'll see great games from him. | ||
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Gedrah
465 Posts
One downside, as many have mentioned the audio de-synced badly which ruined all the battles and surprises for me. What audio did play was really high on fuzz. In any case, thanks for posting this! | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
On March 03 2010 09:44 Artosis wrote: LOL guys, calm down. it is moon, his ID on asia is moon.fox. anyways, the game looks a LOT worse than it actually is because i recorded it on the wrong speed. oops. future VODs will fix that. btw, im trying to figure out how to record sound better for future VODs, if anyone can give me an idea of how to do that (im using dxtory right now..camtasia and hypercam dont seem to cut it at all to record SC2...) and the strategy really is quite cool. i dont like staying in that mode forever, but the opening is really awesome. its completely safe from everything + has full tech and expo up so fast...really so interesting imo. Use Audacity it's free and very high quality sound recording you have to set your stereo mix to your default recording device if you're using win 7 or vista for it to record your game sound but it works very well and is light weight. | ||
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Gedrah
465 Posts
On March 03 2010 09:02 Sastopher wrote: Artosis, I think you might have over-inflated the significance of this game. I think I understand your point: going for a planetary fortress over an orbital command allows you to skimp on early defenses and fast-tech with some amount of safety. But it also left him isolated in his base and gave you complete map control. Upon scouting the fortress upgrade, a zerg opponent has a guaranteed expansion and can use all his larvae on drones. Coupled with the lack of terran mules, this gives him a huge economic advantage that the Terran can only counter by strong harass into an expand of his own supported by his high tech units. Even though the terran was able to expand successfully, he had no idea what zerg was doing the entire game. He never got comsat, never scouted with his air units, and never sent out reaper or hellion squads to check bases and harass drone lines. His siege tanks were unsupported on the ground and were easily picked off by small to moderate groups of zerglings. I was also disappointed his build didn't emphasize upgrades more, since it was obviously geared to a late-game strategy. Moon's mistake was that he never went Overlord hunting. There's no better unit for that purpose than Vikings, and if you find an expo you can land them and clean it out in seconds... | ||
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AlienAlias
United States324 Posts
On March 02 2010 22:45 Manit0u wrote: The audio is really terrible (seems out of sync and I can't really stand this "chun li, why not" all the time). + Show Spoiler + Is it standard in SC2 now that virtually nothing happens in the game (no battles) for over 10 minutes? Also, this planetary fortress must've surprised you Artosis Most of my games end in like 10-15 minutes. | ||
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Sad[Panda]
United States458 Posts
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machinehead..
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kasumimi
Greece460 Posts
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Gaspa79
Argentina5 Posts
On March 02 2010 22:45 Manit0u wrote: The audio is really terrible (seems out of sync and I can't really stand this "chun li, why not" all the time). + Show Spoiler + Is it standard in SC2 now that virtually nothing happens in the game (no battles) for over 10 minutes? Also, this planetary fortress must've surprised you Artosis lol | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On March 03 2010 09:44 Artosis wrote: LOL guys, calm down. it is moon, his ID on asia is moon.fox. anyways, the game looks a LOT worse than it actually is because i recorded it on the wrong speed. oops. future VODs will fix that. btw, im trying to figure out how to record sound better for future VODs, if anyone can give me an idea of how to do that (im using dxtory right now..camtasia and hypercam dont seem to cut it at all to record SC2...) and the strategy really is quite cool. i dont like staying in that mode forever, but the opening is really awesome. its completely safe from everything + has full tech and expo up so fast...really so interesting imo. Hydralisks would totally counter this though, Hydras eats Thors alive, and he had nothing else than a thor, PF and turrets | ||
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Savio
United States1850 Posts
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On March 03 2010 11:38 Savio wrote: Planetary fortress is crazy hard to take down with ground units. yeah obviously, but you don't get to scan nor use extra mules, which is a pretty significant difference on ur econ, I always use it for a 2nd exp and so on, always orbital command with 1st expo or else It gets real hard to move out without being outmacroed | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17719 Posts
On March 03 2010 07:27 Squeegy wrote: lol at the WC3 people not believing that this is Moon. lol at the BW people believing this is Moon. edit: LOL at SC2. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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Cade)Flayer
United Kingdom279 Posts
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On March 03 2010 13:37 floor exercise wrote: Just because it's moon's id doesn't mean it's moon. Everyone is sharing beta accounts with everyone else But because it might not be Moon doesn't mean it's not Moon. Nobody is seriously claiming that Moon sucks or that this means that a pretty good SC player is better than the best player WC3 has to offer. Put Jaedong on SC2 without practise and he could very well lose to a D player with a hundred games under his belt. Artosis holds Moon in high regard and definitely didn't post this to imply anything about WC3 or Moon. He was simply excited about playing against him. Now, if only the WC3 kids would realise this. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/695.jpg) is he the ugliest progamer? | ||
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phexac
United States186 Posts
On March 02 2010 22:08 Artosis wrote: i ran into one of the greatest and most accomplished RTS players of all time on the SC2 beta. here is a VOD of his point of view while playing me. he uses a strategy i have absolutely never seen before which excites me to no end. absolutely love his opening. also...this was the longest SC2 game i've played so far! Moon (T) vs (R Z) Artosis EnjoY~ P.S. - normally i just post the VODs into my Artosis VODs thread, but this strategy is so interesting to me and this player is epic enough that i made it here P.P.S. This game is terrible and T has no idea wtf he is doing. Did I say his strategy was interesting? I meant retarded. Fixed it for ya buddy. | ||
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MoooN1
Germany128 Posts
this game was totaly one sided and boring -.- i dont get your point in hyping this game | ||
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
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Bob123
Korea (North)259 Posts
![[image loading]](http://blog.aarp.org/shaarpsession/full_moon_large.jpg) | ||
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
On March 03 2010 17:11 Bill Murray wrote: what if it's this moon: + Show Spoiler + is he the ugliest progamer? It's this one: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.mymym.com/gfx/moontopearner.jpg) And considering what I know about him, he always comes up with new strats that noone else thinks are viable, he has to test them out somehow so it makes sense he would be doing test games like this where he wants to see if he can get away with PD first instead of OC, thors etc. Only that attack with 4 tanks and no support was totally weird. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On March 02 2010 23:03 Bosko wrote: Game is boring, but it does a good job of showing how horrible Terran AA is. Post it in the Suggestions/Feedback section imo. Dumb... | ||
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