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On March 02 2010 02:43 Mothxal wrote:
Yeah, Starcraft is a mindless waste of time, but that's what people said about rock & roll too at first. In my opinion excellent SC-play has an artistic quality similar to chess to a point where I really admire pro gamers and would never consider them "losers", just because they didn't go where the money is. With some luck SC2 will be where the money is, anyway.
there's not any significant money to be made unless you're like top 10 in the whole world, talk about gambling -.-
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On March 02 2010 02:50 Fayth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 02:43 Mothxal wrote:
Yeah, Starcraft is a mindless waste of time, but that's what people said about rock & roll too at first. In my opinion excellent SC-play has an artistic quality similar to chess to a point where I really admire pro gamers and would never consider them "losers", just because they didn't go where the money is. With some luck SC2 will be where the money is, anyway. there's not any significant money to be made unless you're like top 10 in the whole world, talk about gambling -.-
SC2 will no doubt take esports to another level, sure its a gamble but now with the combination of MLG + european organisations like ESL + Korean scene there's money for far more than just 10 people if things go according to the plan and SC2 does not suck.
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On March 02 2010 02:49 Fayth wrote:
starcraft has a bit of luck, prob not as much as poker but it has some, It's all about long terms results btw, obviously you'll win a shitload of money thru shear skill and determination
I've played both at a fairly high level and I can say both requires similar qualities..
If it matters that much to you, why do people pursue fine art? Or competitive dancing? Or cooking? Fine artists, competitive dancers, and chefs don't make much money, and a lot of them make no money at all.
Why do people do things that barely pay anything, or even things that pay nothing unless you're really good?
It's not all about making a living. Yes they want to make money off it, but they want to make it off something they enjoy.
If everyone just wanted the safest career, everyone would go into law or medicine. For a lot of people, there's more to life than practicality and cold hard logic.
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On March 02 2010 02:55 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 02:50 Fayth wrote:On March 02 2010 02:43 Mothxal wrote:
Yeah, Starcraft is a mindless waste of time, but that's what people said about rock & roll too at first. In my opinion excellent SC-play has an artistic quality similar to chess to a point where I really admire pro gamers and would never consider them "losers", just because they didn't go where the money is. With some luck SC2 will be where the money is, anyway. there's not any significant money to be made unless you're like top 10 in the whole world, talk about gambling -.- SC2 will no doubt take esports to another level, sure its a gamble but now with the combination of MLG + european organisations like ESL + Korean scene there's money for far more than just 10 people if things go according to the plan and SC2 does not suck.
I am NOWHERE near top 10 in the world and I've done fairly well.
Money isn't everything Fayth. I've traveled the world, done a reality show, been to the Video Game Awards as a guest and I've gotten in touch with everyone in WCG and my community. I wouldn't trade my experience for a successful poker career at this point, but that is just me.
SC2 is going to breath new life into our game. We will remain nostalgic of SCBW good times and the skill it took to master but we will enjoy the renewed attention, the funding and the growth in our community.
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On March 02 2010 02:29 Hehlol wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 01:11 Dr.Frost wrote:
I think SC2 WILL EVENTUALLY be more famous than sc2 and have a pro scene in a lot more countries. Also as a spectator, SC2 is a lot more fun to watch than sc2. I can't wait to see the builds/strata that unfold in pro matches for sc2. At least go back and edit your post...
ROFL
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well inc the poker community is pretty much the exact same, you travel the world, you appear on tv and so on, It's exactly the same feeling you have with video games, or very close, except you can pretty much be set for life once you're successful, and then do whatever you enjoy, like play SC2 and travel the world for SC2 tournaments and stuff
Money isn't everything but why then are people talking about making money off SC2?
Also it might not be everything but it gets you almost everything in this capitalist world we live in
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Oh and to answer to Kyo Yuy, I wouldn't play poker if I didn't enjoy it, just saying most people here pursuing SC2 career would probably enjoy poker just as much as they enjoy video games, I get the same feeling off it....
and now I can play as much SC2 as I want without having to go work 8 hours thinking about playing the game, I'm not trying to be a douche here, just telling people they could make a good living off something they enjoy while being able to have a load of time on their hand to play games like SC2 without having to win the next big tournament to be able to eat
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everything pretty much been said already. sc2 is a new game and like with any new game its a fresh start for pros and noobs alike to make a foundation to build off of. with sc2 its a chance for everyone to actually get a fresh start on where as with sc1 its almost impossible now to catch up with the top gamers in the world. theres still possibility that a D- player from sc1 becomes one of the top ranked players in the world in sc2. alot of new faces as well as old faces will establish themselves with sc2.
and about the money thing... well theres not alot of money to be made to actually make a living on. i dont know why ppl would want to switch to the sc2 scene mainly for the money when ur not guaranteed that u will get money. if money is solely what u want then its best to play a real sport professionaly like boxing or football/basketball or something. youll get alot more money playing those sports then u would playing starcraft. the money u do get is purely for a cherry on top of the cake type thing. its a bonus u get money to play video games, but nothing at all to make a real living off of.
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This is like asking why Windows 7 is making Windows 98 less popular. Sure, Windows 98 was widely regarded as a rock solid, great OS, but...
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Just a thought:
If any of the top players would have spent that time on a real job, they could have travelled the entire world instead.
I wish everyone could stop being so delusional about the $$$ possibilities in SC2, and just take it for what its gonna be - a fun and challenging game, not a career.
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the only thing that makes me want to play SC (other than you know, not having a sc2 beta key).. Is that my comp kinda sucks, so SC2 is slightly jumpy for me atm.. Like I cant do a worker split at the start perfectly, it is physically impossible with the startup lag I get first like 3 seconds..
BW is so responsive.. But, I think thats more an issue of my computer sucking, than SC2.
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On March 02 2010 03:25 Fayth wrote:
Oh and to answer to Kyo Yuy, I wouldn't play poker if I didn't enjoy it, just saying most people here pursuing SC2 career would probably enjoy poker just as much as they enjoy video games, I get the same feeling off it....
and now I can play as much SC2 as I want without having to go work 8 hours thinking about playing the game, I'm not trying to be a douche here, just telling people they could make a good living off something they enjoy while being able to have a load of time on their hand to play games like SC2 without having to win the next big tournament to be able to eat
well evidently it doesn't get you love on these forums because in 23 posts you've done a smash up job as coming off as a pretty shallow and single-track minded guy.
We're all really happy you make lots of money with poker. Spend some of that on professional guidance on how to relate to those that don't give a fuck about your money.
PS: This comes off as really abrasive but I cannot stand people that make arguments like yours. Who are you to judge the value of this game to people? If they can "make money" while doing something they love why would you argue against that? Obviously there are better ways to make money.. but it doesn't involve SC so on a fucking SC forum they might discuss the melding of two awesome concepts.
For all your money you still have a LOT of maturity to achieve dude.
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buy new comp skyze, problem solved 
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On March 02 2010 03:25 Fayth wrote:
Oh and to answer to Kyo Yuy, I wouldn't play poker if I didn't enjoy it, just saying most people here pursuing SC2 career would probably enjoy poker just as much as they enjoy video games, I get the same feeling off it....
and now I can play as much SC2 as I want without having to go work 8 hours thinking about playing the game, I'm not trying to be a douche here, just telling people they could make a good living off something they enjoy while being able to have a load of time on their hand to play games like SC2 without having to win the next big tournament to be able to eat
You could say the same thing about getting a real job and being successful in it so you could play SC2 all day.
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On March 02 2010 04:04 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 03:25 Fayth wrote:
Oh and to answer to Kyo Yuy, I wouldn't play poker if I didn't enjoy it, just saying most people here pursuing SC2 career would probably enjoy poker just as much as they enjoy video games, I get the same feeling off it....
and now I can play as much SC2 as I want without having to go work 8 hours thinking about playing the game, I'm not trying to be a douche here, just telling people they could make a good living off something they enjoy while being able to have a load of time on their hand to play games like SC2 without having to win the next big tournament to be able to eat well evidently it doesn't get you love on these forums because in 23 posts you've done a smash up job as coming off as a pretty shallow and single-track minded guy. We're all really happy you make lots of money with poker. Spend some of that on professional guidance on how to relate to those that don't give a fuck about your money.
wtf inc I've been VERY active back when I played broodwar, I'm just saying people should be realistic about SC2 and not talk about it as if you could make a living off it, enjoy the challenge, aim for the top, don't expect to make money
I mean come on inc how many BW player have done a TV show?....
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On March 02 2010 04:05 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 03:25 Fayth wrote:
Oh and to answer to Kyo Yuy, I wouldn't play poker if I didn't enjoy it, just saying most people here pursuing SC2 career would probably enjoy poker just as much as they enjoy video games, I get the same feeling off it....
and now I can play as much SC2 as I want without having to go work 8 hours thinking about playing the game, I'm not trying to be a douche here, just telling people they could make a good living off something they enjoy while being able to have a load of time on their hand to play games like SC2 without having to win the next big tournament to be able to eat You could say the same thing about getting a real job and being successful in it so you could play SC2 all day.
thing is a real job is not the same as playing a game at all, poker has the same feeling SC provides, so you'd enjoy it just as much, live tournaments included (similar to like WCG)..... It's really 2 different things
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On March 02 2010 04:06 Fayth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 04:04 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On March 02 2010 03:25 Fayth wrote:
Oh and to answer to Kyo Yuy, I wouldn't play poker if I didn't enjoy it, just saying most people here pursuing SC2 career would probably enjoy poker just as much as they enjoy video games, I get the same feeling off it....
and now I can play as much SC2 as I want without having to go work 8 hours thinking about playing the game, I'm not trying to be a douche here, just telling people they could make a good living off something they enjoy while being able to have a load of time on their hand to play games like SC2 without having to win the next big tournament to be able to eat well evidently it doesn't get you love on these forums because in 23 posts you've done a smash up job as coming off as a pretty shallow and single-track minded guy. We're all really happy you make lots of money with poker. Spend some of that on professional guidance on how to relate to those that don't give a fuck about your money. wtf inc I've been VERY active back when I played broodwar, I'm just saying people should be realistic about SC2 and not talk about it as if you could make a living off it, enjoy the challenge, aim for the top, don't expect to make money I mean come on inc how many BW player have done a TV show?....
Where is the post of someone saying anyone can do it? Obviously no one is saying that. But iNcontrol makes a very valid point in saying that he HAS done it. And I think it is a totally different experience to travel the world as a competitor than just a business man or something. Not better or worse, just different. I think I'd prefer it. Not to say I expect to do so in SC2, but it'd be cool.
The fact is, there WILL be people doing what iNcontrol is saying. There will be professionals making tons of money. It won't be ALL the people who are trying for it, but obviously some will. Do you think Flash would be as successful as he is now if he never hoped for it? There is no doubt that competition to reach professional goals like that is extremely fierce. But people do it. No one is saying its some kinda "everyone, come on in and be a professional gamer making 6 figures!" situation. That wouldn't even make sense.
You should also start using the "edit" feature to quote two people. Its messy and poor etiquette to double post when you can just as easily edit your post to include both replies.
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On March 02 2010 04:04 Fayth wrote:buy new comp skyze, problem solved
Im trying. I think if I upgrade the graphics card + ram, i might be ok.. I spend all my money on guitar stuff, no money for comp stuff =[
btw fayth, come join rS again -_-
btw I envy your poker playing "passion".. ive tried, really hard.. and I just get bored with it fast, or tilt hard when I start losing (last few months). I did well back in 2007 and went up a grand or so, but ever since then Ive just had no desire to play, even though I want to so bad. I wish I could learn to love the game again..
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Fayth, stop educating the fish - kthx :3
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On March 02 2010 00:04 Artosis wrote:
ok? so? no one in sc1 makes more than 5k a year cept idra. a few will. so they switch. the entire scene moving over is good + healthy.
yes, absolutely. sc1 is a great game but it looks to be that sc2 will be just as good. there will be a lot of money thrown into the game, making the community grow. this doesn't make it better than sc1, just gives the foreign scene some more breathing room.
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