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Just a theory, up for discussion. Contribute but don't completely flame if you disagree 
Anyway, even with only the BETA out Sc2 is killing the foreign Sc1 scene, professionally anyway. Just about every foreign "pro" has more or less quit Sc1 and is practicing the hell out of Sc2. IdrA said he talked with CJ to get him practicing Sc2 immediately. Other notable ppl like Morrow and Nony have completely turned to Sc2.
Yet in Korea the general consensus among pros seems to be "wait to see what reception Sc2 gets and then start playing if the reception is positive". Why are foreigners switching to Sc2 so zealously in comparison?
My random theory is that pro gaming is very results driven, and unless ur at the very top you won't get much reward for your hard work. Korean Sc1 is just so far ahead. Even IdrA, whose skills demolish foreign players not called Ret or Escape key, is stuck in the B team. Have foreigns realized that if they're going to get any global recognition and be at the very top their only chance is to begin fresh in Sc2? If anything they have an advantage over Koreans in that they're starting a few months ahead of time. In Sc1 I don't think any foreigner has a chance to compete with the top Koreans
Anyway my Beta download nears completion ( :D), so just something I wrote to kill time lol.
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On March 01 2010 23:27 SubtleArt wrote:
Yet in Korea the general consensus among pros seems to be "wait to see what reception Sc2 gets and then start playing if the reception is positive". Why are foreigners switching to Sc2 so zealously in comparison?
They are going to need the head start.
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To be honest once you play SC2 you really can't go back to SC1. You start getting used to this new game and how it works and it's nothing like SC1. The game has so many new opportunities and everyone is trying to exploit the best strategies. Why bother playing SC when SC2 is nearly here?
I did try to play SC a week ago and it's like looking at an inferior game. Besides SC2 is so much fun to play!
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Koreans are paid to play BW. They have a lot to lose, and huge organizational overhead when switching to SC2. I find it very understandable that they first want to see if SC2 is worth the risk. Foreigners mostly just play for fun. There's almost no money involved in foreign BW, so why not try something new which has a good chance of replacing it?
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Is SC2 really that good, Amber?
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On March 01 2010 23:31 Amber[LighT] wrote:
To be honest once you play SC2 you really can't go back to SC1. You start getting used to this new game and how it works and it's nothing like SC1. The game has so many new opportunities and everyone is trying to exploit the best strategies. Why bother playing SC when SC2 is nearly here?
I did try to play SC a week ago and it's like looking at an inferior game. Besides SC2 is so much fun to play!
Because Sc1 is sill an amazing game? I still play supreme commander and Age of Empires 3...why bother playing them too?
On March 01 2010 23:37 Scorch wrote:
Koreans are paid to play BW. They have a lot to lose, and huge organizational overhead when switching to SC2. I find it very understandable that they first want to see if SC2 is worth the risk. Foreigners mostly just play for fun. There's almost no money involved in foreign BW, so why not try something new which has a good chance of replacing it?
Precisely. Foreign BW players still put a TON of hours into the game, and I'm sure they would all love to be able to play in OSL and MSL but with the skill gap so big its more or less impossible. Thus switch to Sc2 and you have a chance
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Why bother playing SC:BW when the money will be in SC2 ?? The foreign BW scene has always been weak apart from the recent TSLs.
Alot of people have hopes that major tournaments and organizations will pick up SC2 since it'll be the game that brings the SC and Wc3 community together and that is why they are making the switch.
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I think most of them came to the conclusion that with SC2 theres the chance of winnings, while with the release of SC2 BW basically will have none.
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i think after 12 years of slugging it out in one game, when the sequel comes out, you can expect anyone and everyone who loved sc1 to play the hell out of sc2 for atleast a few weeks. After that if starcraft 2 is good enough, it will take over from sc1... It's to be expected and isn't definitely a bad thing. Be open minded yo, change is good =]
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Pretty sure this is all about the Benjamins.
However, once people realize that not everybody is going to be successful at SC2, people might also come back if SC2 sucks (as happened with WC3; pretty much everybody tried that too).
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Because its 2 and not 1.
2>1, 3>2, 4>3, etc...
I also think that Starcraft outside of Korea was already in its end cycle for the last year or two, if not more.
We are also beginning to see that Starcarft is also loosing ground in Korea almost a year now.
Less and less crowds at team matches, smaller and smaller arenas for individual leagues and even the grand finals are being played out in smaller arenas.
If Starcraft 2 is not going to replace Starcraft 1, I don't know what will. Probably nothing until the whole scene dies out.
Though there are signs that SC2 could take off good in the E-Sports area globally and we see Zotac - Chinese company hosting SC2 beta tournament, few other e-sports organizations showing interest in the beta and so on...
I also think that teamliquid.net is well positioned to make the most of SC2, with huge profits from Advertisement and more tournaments.
But overall if Blizzard are not too greedy and play-out this right, they will be making the biggest profits out of SC2 tournaments.
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I just hope sc2 doesn't become the RTS equivalent of CS:S
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
On March 01 2010 23:27 SubtleArt wrote:
Yet in Korea the general consensus among pros seems to be "wait to see what reception Sc2 gets and then start playing if the reception is positive". Why are foreigners switching to Sc2 so zealously in comparison?
thats the first thing wrong with this. where did u hear that? its completely untrue/made up. EDIT: if you heard this from any sort of interview or something like that...what it really means is 'my team will tell me what to do.'
we are all switching over because support for sc1 is leaving immediately. sc2 will take over all rts tournaments. it is time for the top foreigner pros to actually make money for playing a video game. they are 999999x more talented than the top pros of almost every single other "professional esport" yet make no money or real fame for their sacrifice. now they will.
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SC2 killing SC1 doesn't need theorizing. I'm surprised there's even discussion about it.
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i lost all my skill when i started playing protoss so i cant really go back even if i wanted to 
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On March 01 2010 23:52 Artosis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2010 23:27 SubtleArt wrote:
Yet in Korea the general consensus among pros seems to be "wait to see what reception Sc2 gets and then start playing if the reception is positive". Why are foreigners switching to Sc2 so zealously in comparison?
thats the first thing wrong with this. where did u hear that? its completely untrue/made up. EDIT: if you heard this from any sort of interview or something like that...what it really means is 'my team will tell me what to do.' we are all switching over because support for sc1 is leaving immediately. sc2 will take over all rts tournaments. it is time for the top foreigner pros to actually make money for playing a video game. they are 999999x more talented than the top pros of almost every single other "professional esport" yet make no money or real fame for their sacrifice. now they will.
How much money do people serious think its gonna be in SC2? I mean sure some people will make lots of it, but now its like everyone and their grandmother think they can just change game and rack up the big bucks regardless if hundreds of others are thinking the same not to mention the huge pool of untapped potential new great players that will get into this game. The number of foreigners who makes more than 5k$ a year will probably be real low, still everyone (even mediocre players from the foreign scene) expect to be making a living from SC2, while it probably will just end up like in BW with the same few people winning all the big tournaments.
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
ok? so? no one in sc1 makes more than 5k a year cept idra. a few will. so they switch. the entire scene moving over is good + healthy.
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Fresh game, new things to learn, even playing field, most important game rts for the next 10 years easily. Makes sense to play it as you know your gonna be playing it for years and everyone has the same chance of succeeding in it long term. The newbies of today may very well be the esports stars of tomorrow.
I don't see there being big bucks to be made unless there are pay to play tournaments to have decent prize pools often.
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On March 01 2010 23:52 Artosis wrote:
we are all switching over because support for sc1 is leaving immediately. sc2 will take over all rts tournaments. it is time for the top foreigner pros to actually make money for playing a video game. they are 999999x more talented than the top pros of almost every single other "professional esport" yet make no money or real fame for their sacrifice. now they will.
I really like the way Artosis put this, I agree completely.
More over, people who still play BW competitively, even much at much lower levels than the top foreigns (e.g. any rank of ICC/anyone who posts here) do so partially because they love competition. SC2 will have the infrastructure and sponsorship needed to allow competition to reach a whole new level, even for those players who are not going to be directly competing for cash prizes or Blizzard's "Pro" ladder. I personally can't wait.
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On March 01 2010 23:52 Artosis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2010 23:27 SubtleArt wrote:
Yet in Korea the general consensus among pros seems to be "wait to see what reception Sc2 gets and then start playing if the reception is positive". Why are foreigners switching to Sc2 so zealously in comparison?
thats the first thing wrong with this. where did u hear that? its completely untrue/made up. EDIT: if you heard this from any sort of interview or something like that...what it really means is 'my team will tell me what to do.' we are all switching over because support for sc1 is leaving immediately. sc2 will take over all rts tournaments. it is time for the top foreigner pros to actually make money for playing a video game. they are 999999x more talented than the top pros of almost every single other "professional esport" yet make no money or real fame for their sacrifice. now they will.
I know Zero has already said he's going to see how Sc2 is received before deciding whether or not to switch. Generally what I've been reading is the same response, but you're Artosis and I'm not so you opinion is probably more valid  . Everything you say after that is more or less my opinion expressed more convincingly. Foreigners realize they can't make money off Sc1. Koreans are still profiting big time.
Man, its gonna be sooooooo weird seeing all the Sc1 top pros sucking vs unknown Sc2 ppl in the beginning. Like, think about it, Nony is probably gonna be able to beat Flash cause Flash is still playing BW :O.
Also, lol IdrA
Taking your comment seriously though is Sc1 that much different?
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