EPTIf I only have one account to play with my friends who will be terrible I won't be worrying about my win %. I shouldn't be forced to not worry though, because I had fun shooting for high ranks and high win % in war3.
One account per game - Goodbye to smurfing? - Page 6
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
If I only have one account to play with my friends who will be terrible I won't be worrying about my win %. I shouldn't be forced to not worry though, because I had fun shooting for high ranks and high win % in war3. | ||
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ZeitgeistMovie
144 Posts
I hope another ladder like ICCUP makes a Bnet 2.0 emulator so I don't have to feel like a prisoner playing SC2 | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On August 22 2009 11:17 Bosu wrote: If this is the case ladder will be pretty pointless. Ladder will be for mass gaming, maybe trying new things. However, if you want to try other races, strategies, or play styles you will get worse before you get better. Ladder status will be nothing to brag about. If I only have one account to play with my friends who will be terrible I won't be worrying about my win %. I shouldn't be forced to not worry though, because I had fun shooting for high ranks and high win % in war3. What kind of logic is this? This will make the ladder more accurate. I really believe some of you guys have never heard of Custom games..... | ||
FragKrag
United States11539 Posts
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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
On August 22 2009 09:30 Plexa wrote: *sigh* Another bad move by Blizzard... I don't think smurfing was actually that bad of a problem in SC1 ;; No offence, but I think you lack perspective on how it is like to be a SC beginner nowadays since you have been playing for so long that smurfing does not represent a great problem to you. At least, that is what I assume. If that is not the case, I apologise. Anyway, smurfing is a VERY bad problem. Asking for newbie games on Battle.net or even ICCup is like asking for a death wish. More often then not, your opponent will turn out to be someone that clearly is not a newbie in any way. Even not asking specifically for newbie games will often match you with players much superior to you. The ability to see stats on ICCup does not resolve the issue since players can too easily manipulate the stats (either by clearing them or making a new account) and the D rank represents a wide range of skill levels (from people completely new to SC to people with hundreds of games under their belt). Being a newbie does not (necessarily) mean you are not willing to put any effort into becoming a better player and that you are easily discouraged. Infact, even D- people can appretiate the fact that it takes a lot of time, effort and dedication to become a really good player. However, if you see nothing but failure (beacuse you only get to play against much superior players) and your overall winrate makes  ZergBong`s ZvT look like bonjwa material, it is hard not to be discouraged and get the impression that you will never be able to become good at the game. That is the whole reason why game developers strive to match you with equally good players, since that makes it more likely you will win at least a few and thus give you a glimmer of hope that you might actually improve in the long run (thus giving you a reason to keep playing). Plus, improvement needs to be gradual in order to work. Just like you cannot jump from learning the alphabet to learning rocket science, so too you cannot jump from playing like me (worst player in history, KeSPA approved  ) to playing like Jaedong. So if you keep playing against people that are way beyond your league, then you will never be able to learn how to become better.Do not misunderstand my post, I am not saying progamers should not be able to experiment with new builds or play an off-race without compromising their primary record. However, I do not see why this could not be an option without compromising newcomers. Infact, even when experimenting/off-racing, there really is no reason for good players to start at the very rock bottom since at least some of their skills will transfer to the other race (their raw speed, if nothing else). So if you are, according to the Battle.net 2.0 ranking system, a Pro League level player, your experimenting/off-race ID could start off at the Silver League or even Gold League. There is absolutely no reason why you would have to go all the way down to Practice League just to do so. Also, FA, your term definition is wrong. "Smurfing" is the practice of creating a seperate account to play at lower levels, regardless whether you do so with the intention of experimenting/off-racing or harassing newbies. "Sandbagging" is the practice of intentionally playing poorly or with a handicap, for whatever reason (for example, I recently played with a really good Zerg player and he intentionally played with just his mouse to give me a fighting chance). | ||
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foeffa
Belgium2115 Posts
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On August 22 2009 11:24 Aegraen wrote: What kind of logic is this? This will make the ladder more accurate. I really believe some of you guys have never heard of Custom games..... It is great logic Why should my record be wrecked because I want to play with my RL friends that WILL be terrible? Why should I be forced to play custom games to try new things and new races? It will take hundreds of games to learn a new race. Going from a 70% win rate to 30% because I switched races does not make the ladder more accurate. Really my biggest gripe though is that I will lose HUNDREDS of games playing AT with friends that are terrible. How does that make the ladder more accurate? | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On August 22 2009 11:50 Bosu wrote: It is great logic Why should my record be wrecked because I want to play with my RL friends that WILL be terrible? Why should I be forced to play custom games to try new things and new races? It will take hundreds of games to learn a new race. Going from a 70% win rate to 30% because I switched races does not make the ladder more accurate. Really my biggest gripe though is that I will lose HUNDREDS of games playing AT with friends that are terrible. How does that make the ladder more accurate? Who is forcing you to play Ladder with them? Play Custom Games. You aren't forced to play custom games to try new things. You can play custom or ladder its your decision. Win % doesn't mean fuck all in RTS. You could have 25% and still be better than 90% of the SC2 players. Seems to me you are a statophobe (Yes I made that up). In any event, a decrease in smurfing, a more reputable community, and a more accurate ladder because there are not or are very little duplicative names is much more lofty and worthy than the cries of someone who made a bad choice for his name and now regrets it. Pro's vastly outweight the minor inconvenience cons. | ||
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Fredflintstone
439 Posts
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
one for each race, so you can try the offrace BO shit | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Anyhow, the smurfing definition apparently goes for both situations, it is not exclusively used to describe someone griefing (and in fact, this is probably why I have such a problem with the term - I have never used it to describe someone noob-bashing - smurfs to me mean nothing beyond it being someones secret alias). As for the threshold for a new player today, I don't think it has anything to do with smurfing frankly. The game is 10 years old, even someone who is comparatively a noob is going to destroy a REAL noob. It's not disingenous of him to join a "1v1 noobs" game, because he is also a noob... just not to the same degree. Maybe I'm wrong, but I somehow doubt it... I started playing in Brood war in 2002 (played some vanilla SC in 2001), and played probably 300++ games before I had a positive record. These are probably my fondest SC memories because I really, really, really loved the game at that time... I cannot relate AT ALL with people feeling frustrated over losing when just starting... I just do not get it :/ Every win - rare as they were - was awesome, because I had worked so hard for it and I could tell I was improving. I did have the benefit of knowing about the professional scene, of watching replays and VODs for inspiration, so maybe if I hadn't known about the extraordinary level of play that was possible, my ego would have been more easily bruised? The rest I agree with. As I've said, I think having a "master account" that determines your ELL for all your IDs, is the best solution. On August 22 2009 11:56 Aegraen wrote: Who is forcing you to play Ladder with them? Play Custom Games. You aren't forced to play custom games to try new things. You can play custom or ladder its your decision. Win % doesn't mean fuck all in RTS. You could have 25% and still be better than 90% of the SC2 players. Seems to me you are a statophobe (Yes I made that up). In any event, a decrease in smurfing, a more reputable community, and a more accurate ladder because there are not or are very little duplicative names is much more lofty and worthy than the cries of someone who made a bad choice for his name and now regrets it. Pro's vastly outweight the minor inconvenience cons. Playing custom games after getting used to AMM, is absolutely terrible  I like playing SC more than WC3, but the AMM for WC3 makes me want to play it more than I want to play SC right now. | ||
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SkylineSC
United States564 Posts
"All available slots have been closed" Announcer: "sorry our game is flooded by pubs, will try to ban as many as possible" | ||
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PlutoNZ
New Zealand410 Posts
I enjoy playing on a smurf and doing fun strategies that aren't very effective. I would never do this on my main account because I don't want to ruin my record. If finding unrated games is very easy, then this shouldn't be an issue. On August 22 2009 11:57 FrozenArbiter wrote: Playing custom games after getting used to AMM, is absolutely terrible I like playing SC more than WC3, but the AMM for WC3 makes me want to play it more than I want to play SC right now.This is the reason I play more WC3 than SC. Even with Iccup I find it difficult to find a game with someone around my skilll level. The great thing about trying new strategies using the AMM is, as you get better with the strategy you start to vs better players. In custom games it could be difficult to find someone of the appropriate skill level. | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
And ya call me a stats whore whatever. I don't like my win % being 20% lower because I like to AT with my buddies or dick around with an off race or mass banelings. Two accounts would be fine with me (although I would still prefer as many as I want). One is not enough. | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On August 22 2009 12:03 Bosu wrote: Have you never played war3 AT before? Why the fuck would I want to make custom games to play 2v2s? ATing is crazy fun. Laddering is far more fun then playing custom games. It is not the same experience at all. And ya call me a stats whore whatever. I don't like my win % being 20% lower because I like to AT with my buddies or dick around with an off race or mass banelings. Two accounts would be fine with me (although I would still prefer as many as I want). One is not enough. Like I said, you are looking at this at how it effects you and not the environment overall. Comparatively its like you are one ant in an ant hill screaming, my needs and wants, my needs and wants, when the overall community would be a better place if you realized that by putting aside some of those needs and wants it benefits the whole. If you truly do not like this then make your voice heard. Seriously, if people are upset at the direction of the game then don't support it. Blizzard will get your message loud and clear and will change it for the needs and wants using the power of the consumer to voice dissatisfaction. I also like how you say having more names would make the ladder more accurate then go on to say I want to have one fuck around name. Imagine if 50% of the people had fuck around names and played ladder, how bad that would actually skew the true rankings of players. In a one name system this is absolved. Instance. Player ranked 5087 in one name environment plays others genuinely around his rank and skill level. Now, that Player ranked 5087 is thrown into a system where there are more than one name and the higher level players have fuck around names. Now this player is rank 7050 and does not play as many games around his skill level as he otherwise would have. Do you see how people having more than one name hugely skews the ladder? Duplicative names create a huge mess. The goal of the ladder should be to be as accurate as possible and this is made true by one name system. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
"If our match making works like we want it to, everyone will be 50/50" Stat whoring is detrimental to any game. This is the best solution and will likely result in the best POSSIBLE match making. | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
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yB.TeH
Germany413 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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