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On August 22 2009 08:56 Koof wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 08:51 Lurgee wrote:
What is wrong with smurfing though. Sure, noobs get owned, but if this disencourages them then they were probably never going to get good anyway. This system is protecting scrubs, and hurting everyone else. I would rather noobs get good at the game and recognize Starcraft for what it is, rather than them dropping the game all together. I don't see why everyone is so against trying to get people into intermediate play.
They will never get good if they go and rq after losing to someone practicing their offrace at a lower ranking.
edit: Which even without smurfing is going to happen a lot, especially during early days when people are moving from SC -> SC2.
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On August 22 2009 08:54 stroggos wrote:
they should have added a hidden rating system combined with normal rating AND with a max 3 accounts, that's just my opinion. They could have done a lot better and it's kind of dissapointing that a non competitive game like WoW has a better ladder system than sc2 atm.
I haven't heard. What type of ladder system and rating system are they using? ELL? ELO? Trueskill? Some other type of amalgamation?
What type of Ladders? 1v1, 2v2, 3v3? Race vs Race? Most Wins? Most Losses? Ladder options abound.
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so now u have more reason to buy all 3 campaigns.....its all a business move
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Didn't he said something about creating new ID and keeping achievements or solo saves or something like that ? Which would confirm you can have several IDs on the same account.
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On August 22 2009 08:58 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 08:54 stroggos wrote:
they should have added a hidden rating system combined with normal rating AND with a max 3 accounts, that's just my opinion. They could have done a lot better and it's kind of dissapointing that a non competitive game like WoW has a better ladder system than sc2 atm. I haven't heard. What type of ladder system and rating system are they using? ELL? ELO? Trueskill? Some other type of amalgamation? What type of Ladders? 1v1, 2v2, 3v3? Race vs Race? Most Wins? Most Losses? Ladder options abound.
I don't believe they said. I am curious how they are doing that too.
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I don't really care about smashing on noobs, but I still don't like the decision. What if I just want to change my name?
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Sweden33723 Posts
On August 22 2009 08:59 Nitro68 wrote:
Didn't he said something about creating new ID and keeping achievements or solo saves or something like that ? Which would confirm you can have several IDs on the same account.
If he did, I am completely 100% satisfied.
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On August 22 2009 08:57 Lurgee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 08:56 Koof wrote:On August 22 2009 08:51 Lurgee wrote:
What is wrong with smurfing though. Sure, noobs get owned, but if this disencourages them then they were probably never going to get good anyway. This system is protecting scrubs, and hurting everyone else. I would rather noobs get good at the game and recognize Starcraft for what it is, rather than them dropping the game all together. I don't see why everyone is so against trying to get people into intermediate play. They will never get good if they go and rq after losing to someone practicing their offrace at a lower ranking. edit: Which even without smurfing is going to happen a lot, especially during early days when people are moving from SC -> SC2. That's the problem though. You can't have 80% of a potential fan base bashing the game because they get matched up with someone who simply is leagues ahead of them. There are plenty of other ways to practice off races without ruining a scrub's perception of the game.
The point is to have LESS scrubs overall. I would rather 10 more people stick with Starcraft because they didn't get stomped by people smurfing/sandbagging, than you getting slightly better at the game, sorry if that offends.
I have a lot of friends who simply won't play SC/WC3 just because the beginning skill curve is just too great. My problem isn't an unlimited potential for people to grow at SC- that is probably its greatest facet- but just getting people through the initial stages until they actually know what's going on. Having people on a completely different level playing these new people gives an impression that it is impossible for them to progress.
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On August 22 2009 09:00 1337o wrote:
I don't really care about smashing on noobs, but I still don't like the decision. What if I just want to change my name?
I suppose you should take more precaution when creating your name? You can always buy another CD-Key also.
I know people like to look at it at how it only effects them, but trust me this is better in the end. The pro's vastly outweigh the cons. I've seen it work tremendously well in many games (FFXI, AoE III, etc.) compared to games that the alternative (Create as many names as you want with no repercussions) borked totally.
In any event no one is forcing you to support Blizzard. If you don't like the decisions they are making then vote with your money and don't buy it. If everyone who didn't like these decisions did that then they would reverse them. Use the power of the consumer and your money.
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On August 22 2009 08:58 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 08:54 stroggos wrote:
they should have added a hidden rating system combined with normal rating AND with a max 3 accounts, that's just my opinion. They could have done a lot better and it's kind of dissapointing that a non competitive game like WoW has a better ladder system than sc2 atm. I haven't heard. What type of ladder system and rating system are they using? ELL? ELO? Trueskill? Some other type of amalgamation? What type of Ladders? 1v1, 2v2, 3v3? Race vs Race? Most Wins? Most Losses? Ladder options abound.
They said that they hired a statistician to make a new system that would be better than trueskill. 2v2 3v3 ladder will be based on teams and they have several leagues for each ladder (practice league up til pro league). Then rank you within the league your in.
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I don't see what's wrong with it, as long as you can change your in-game name or reset your stats whenever you want to. The game will have different stats for each race you play like WC3 right?
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I read through these posts and nobody seemed to mention this. Lets say you bought the game and installed it on your home computer and created an account called "Sherminator". Then you get really good at the game and start to go to tournaments, so at the tourny arena how can you have your username that people know you by "Sherminator" if the account is tied down to 1 cd key?
Unless you are able to edit your name anytime after you create it.
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On August 22 2009 09:09 Husika wrote:
I read through these posts and nobody seemed to mention this. Lets say you bought the game and installed it on your home computer and created an account called "Sherminator". Then you get really good at the game and start to go to tournaments, so at the tourny arena how can you have your username that people know you by "Sherminator" if the account is tied down to 1 cd key?
Unless you are able to edit your name anytime after you create it. Simple, you log in to your battle.net account on their systems.
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Why can't it work like steam?
In steam, you have 1 account, with all your games and friends tied to it, you can choose to appear online, offline, busy or away to your them, outside of game, no one can contact you but friends you've approved. AND you can change your name at will, half way through a game if you want, all your friends are still there, your steam achievements, w/e, it's all tied to the same account, but you can just change your name whenever you feel like it. Wouldn't this be the best solution? I did like what FA said about games on different ID's (but same master account) changing your trueskill (or w/e system they use) ranking, but not adding w/l to the records of your other accounts. That kind of thing is really good if people don't want to mess up their stats and stuff
At the very least I hope blizzard ranks all your races differently, as opposed to trying to play zerg on the ladder when you main terran and get owned badly
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It's a good decision. If there's one thing Blizzard learned from WoW, it's how to make big bucks. No one gives a shit about you hardcore players. You're going to buy the game anyways. What Blizzard does care about is the massive population of casuals. By making B-net newb-friendly, they're appealing to the masses. And that's always a good choice. Bigger fanbase = more $$$.
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On August 22 2009 09:07 naonao wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 08:58 Aegraen wrote:On August 22 2009 08:54 stroggos wrote:
they should have added a hidden rating system combined with normal rating AND with a max 3 accounts, that's just my opinion. They could have done a lot better and it's kind of dissapointing that a non competitive game like WoW has a better ladder system than sc2 atm. I haven't heard. What type of ladder system and rating system are they using? ELL? ELO? Trueskill? Some other type of amalgamation? What type of Ladders? 1v1, 2v2, 3v3? Race vs Race? Most Wins? Most Losses? Ladder options abound. They said that they hired a statistician to make a new system that would be better than trueskill. 2v2 3v3 ladder will be based on teams and they have several leagues for each ladder (practice league up til pro league). Then rank you within the league your in.
Eh, we'll see. I have no confidence in any other system that isn't ELO. All other systems have proven to be inferior. Hopefully, they buck the trend...
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On August 22 2009 09:16 nataziel wrote:
Why can't it work like steam?
In steam, you have 1 account, with all your games and friends tied to it, you can choose to appear online, offline, busy or away to your them, outside of game, no one can contact you but friends you've approved. AND you can change your name at will, half way through a game if you want, all your friends are still there, your steam achievements, w/e, it's all tied to the same account, but you can just change your name whenever you feel like it. Wouldn't this be the best solution? I did like what FA said about games on different ID's (but same master account) changing your trueskill (or w/e system they use) ranking, but not adding w/l to the records of your other accounts. That kind of thing is really good if people don't want to mess up their stats and stuff
At the very least I hope blizzard ranks all your races differently, as opposed to trying to play zerg on the ladder when you main terran and get owned badly From what we've seen in the thread and at the panels, I'd say all or most of the things you suggested will be in the game.
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being stuck with only one acc when it comes to custom games would blow.
good thing in war 3 when you didnt follow some retarded scrub rule like no hero/base aim and got banned you could easily switch acc and ip but only having one acc would mean youre fucked.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
*sigh*
Another bad move by Blizzard...
I don't think smurfing was actually that bad of a problem in SC1 ;;
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On August 22 2009 09:30 Plexa wrote:
*sigh*
Another bad move by Blizzard...
I don't think smurfing was actually that bad of a problem in SC1 ;;
Its pretty bad... Once you get to the c level I heard its not bad but at the D-, D, D+ level half the players you play are smurfs. And no i'm not saying it because I lost when you see a guy join 100% win, 250+ apm and rapes you is definitely a smurf. If your C well that's why you don't think its that bad.
Great move by blizzard 
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