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On August 22 2009 11:50 Bosu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 11:24 Aegraen wrote:On August 22 2009 11:17 Bosu wrote:
If this is the case ladder will be pretty pointless. Ladder will be for mass gaming, maybe trying new things. However, if you want to try other races, strategies, or play styles you will get worse before you get better. Ladder status will be nothing to brag about.
If I only have one account to play with my friends who will be terrible I won't be worrying about my win %. I shouldn't be forced to not worry though, because I had fun shooting for high ranks and high win % in war3. What kind of logic is this? This will make the ladder more accurate. I really believe some of you guys have never heard of Custom games..... It is great logic Why should my record be wrecked because I want to play with my RL friends that WILL be terrible? Why should I be forced to play custom games to try new things and new races? It will take hundreds of games to learn a new race. Going from a 70% win rate to 30% because I switched races does not make the ladder more accurate. Really my biggest gripe though is that I will lose HUNDREDS of games playing AT with friends that are terrible. How does that make the ladder more accurate?
Uh, it would make the ladder extremely accurate actually. Your stats will be split for each race like WC3 at least so if you suck with terran it'll show a 30% win for terran. How much more accurate can it get than that?
And losing hundreds of games with your friends means your AT sucks. Again, accurate.
I think you're confusing "accurate" with "make me look good".
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Everyone who does't like this feature is bad at starcraft and hates playing better players who are smurfing, everyone who doesn't like it is good and are likely the ones smurfing. It's really that simple.
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On August 22 2009 09:05 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 09:00 1337o wrote:
I don't really care about smashing on noobs, but I still don't like the decision. What if I just want to change my name? I suppose you should take more precaution when creating your name? You can always buy another CD-Key also. I know people like to look at it at how it only effects them, but trust me this is better in the end. The pro's vastly outweigh the cons. I've seen it work tremendously well in many games (FFXI, AoE III, etc.) compared to games that the alternative (Create as many names as you want with no repercussions) borked totally. In any event no one is forcing you to support Blizzard. If you don't like the decisions they are making then vote with your money and don't buy it. If everyone who didn't like these decisions did that then they would reverse them. Use the power of the consumer and your money.
Im sorry but id rather not pay 50$ when i typo my name and am unable to change it.
I can't see this Idea going anywhere but down
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Sweden33723 Posts
For me smurfing isn't about stats whoring... I have used this example before, but my PGTour smurf (the pre-cursor to ICCUP for those who are new) had about a 54% winrate once I dragged myself up to the A ranks (and at A+ it was barely 40% I think, but overall 54 or so).
This was still a smurf! I didn't dodge anyone, I didn't newb-bash (hell, I almost always tried to get a regame if I got owned), but it wasn't my real account.
I don't like having one name, thinking up new IDs is fun. Like my current mess-around ID: CAPTAINCAPSLOCK
Fun ID, but would I use it as my main account? Obviously not.
I've had tonnes of ladder smurfs....
MorningStar
Jinro
-DaeBak- (however I was informed this was a very "chon nom" sounding ID - chon nom meaning something along the lines of "hillbilly" or "country" - and retired it lolol)
Iyanden
Okami
Malmis.sidabari
number9dream
ddengbabo
Many. New season? New ID. It's part of the fun.
Then all the different clans:
F]WindToss[c (I think I might have changed this to F]StormyToss[c later - what can I say, I was 13) - euro clan with malmis and travin from TL.
cG)r(Stormy - Korean clan on US West. Good group of guys =]
iD.FA - Pretty good level European clan back in the day.. 2003-2004~
JinrO[s2] - Russian clan I joined after iD disbanded.
Dream.t)PltO - good Korean US west clan.
Gp)_JinrO - strong Chinese clan I used to play for.
mAnnEr)HanBang - Korean clan on Asia.
Hm -.- Can't remember the Brainclan server clan I was in...
Anyway, my point is, I like being able to use more than one ID.
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
I like having multiple account names
So I say nay
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On August 22 2009 12:35 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 09:05 Aegraen wrote:On August 22 2009 09:00 1337o wrote:
I don't really care about smashing on noobs, but I still don't like the decision. What if I just want to change my name? I suppose you should take more precaution when creating your name? You can always buy another CD-Key also. I know people like to look at it at how it only effects them, but trust me this is better in the end. The pro's vastly outweigh the cons. I've seen it work tremendously well in many games (FFXI, AoE III, etc.) compared to games that the alternative (Create as many names as you want with no repercussions) borked totally. In any event no one is forcing you to support Blizzard. If you don't like the decisions they are making then vote with your money and don't buy it. If everyone who didn't like these decisions did that then they would reverse them. Use the power of the consumer and your money. Im sorry but id rather not pay 50$ when i typo my name and am unable to change it. I can't see this Idea going anywhere but down
Then take the extra ten seconds or so and proof-read your name to make sure there is no typos. It's not like you are proofing a 2,000 page thesis on the interactions of planetary bodies or of triple-star systems and the effects on a planet thereof.
I hope that wasn't the example or basis for the arguement? Of course no one likes to spend another 50$ for a new name, but like I said, the pro's outweigh the cons. I'm wondering what is your stance on the pro-con community wide.
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On August 22 2009 12:39 FrozenArbiter wrote:
For me smurfing isn't about stats whoring... I have used this example before, but my PGTour smurf (the pre-cursor to ICCUP for those who are new) had about a 54% winrate once I dragged myself up to the A ranks (and at A+ it was barely 40% I think, but overall 54 or so).
This was still a smurf! I didn't dodge anyone, I didn't newb-bash (hell, I almost always tried to get a regame if I got owned), but it wasn't my real account.
I don't like having one name, thinking up new IDs is fun. Like my current mess-around ID: CAPTAINCAPSLOCK
Fun ID, but would I use it as my main account? Obviously not.
I've had tonnes of ladder smurfs....
MorningStar
Jinro
-DaeBak- (however I was informed this was a very "chon nom" sounding ID - chon nom meaning something along the lines of "hillbilly" or "country" - and retired it lolol)
Iyanden
Okami
Malmis.sidabari
number9dream
ddengbabo
Many. New season? New ID. It's part of the fun.
Then all the different clans:
F]WindToss[c (I think I might have changed this to F]StormyToss[c later - what can I say, I was 13) - euro clan with malmis and travin from TL.
cG)r(Stormy - Korean clan on US West. Good group of guys =]
iD.FA - Pretty good level European clan back in the day.. 2003-2004~
JinrO[s2] - solid Russian clan I joined after iD disbanded.
Dream.t)PltO - good Korean US west clan.
Gp)_JinrO - strong Chinese clan I used to play for.
mAnnEr)HanBang - Korean clan on Asia.
Hm -.- Can't remember the Brainclan server clan I was in...
Anyway, my point is, I like being able to use more than one ID.
Have you stopped to think about the negative aspects of such a system? (Remember, system overall, not everyone is yourself, and firstly you had to "smurf" people to get up the ranks. You can't just start off by playing people your own skill level now can you?)
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On August 22 2009 11:50 Bosu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 11:24 Aegraen wrote:On August 22 2009 11:17 Bosu wrote:
If this is the case ladder will be pretty pointless. Ladder will be for mass gaming, maybe trying new things. However, if you want to try other races, strategies, or play styles you will get worse before you get better. Ladder status will be nothing to brag about.
If I only have one account to play with my friends who will be terrible I won't be worrying about my win %. I shouldn't be forced to not worry though, because I had fun shooting for high ranks and high win % in war3. What kind of logic is this? This will make the ladder more accurate. I really believe some of you guys have never heard of Custom games..... It is great logic Why should my record be wrecked because I want to play with my RL friends that WILL be terrible? Why should I be forced to play custom games to try new things and new races? It will take hundreds of games to learn a new race. Going from a 70% win rate to 30% because I switched races does not make the ladder more accurate. Really my biggest gripe though is that I will lose HUNDREDS of games playing AT with friends that are terrible. How does that make the ladder more accurate?
AT = Arranged Teams ?
In WC3, if you have a friend name X and another Y you will have different levels for each team you make.
For instance, You + X = level 5; You + Y = level 7; You alone = level 22
So playing AT with noobs is not a problem.
There's still the problem of offrace in 1v1.
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Sweden33723 Posts
On August 22 2009 12:44 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 12:39 FrozenArbiter wrote:
For me smurfing isn't about stats whoring... I have used this example before, but my PGTour smurf (the pre-cursor to ICCUP for those who are new) had about a 54% winrate once I dragged myself up to the A ranks (and at A+ it was barely 40% I think, but overall 54 or so).
This was still a smurf! I didn't dodge anyone, I didn't newb-bash (hell, I almost always tried to get a regame if I got owned), but it wasn't my real account.
I don't like having one name, thinking up new IDs is fun. Like my current mess-around ID: CAPTAINCAPSLOCK
Fun ID, but would I use it as my main account? Obviously not.
I've had tonnes of ladder smurfs....
MorningStar
Jinro
-DaeBak- (however I was informed this was a very "chon nom" sounding ID - chon nom meaning something along the lines of "hillbilly" or "country" - and retired it lolol)
Iyanden
Okami
Malmis.sidabari
number9dream
ddengbabo
Many. New season? New ID. It's part of the fun.
Then all the different clans:
F]WindToss[c (I think I might have changed this to F]StormyToss[c later - what can I say, I was 13) - euro clan with malmis and travin from TL.
cG)r(Stormy - Korean clan on US West. Good group of guys =]
iD.FA - Pretty good level European clan back in the day.. 2003-2004~
JinrO[s2] - Russian clan I joined after iD disbanded.
Dream.t)PltO - good Korean US west clan.
Gp)_JinrO - strong Chinese clan I used to play for.
mAnnEr)HanBang - Korean clan on Asia.
Hm -.- Can't remember the Brainclan server clan I was in...
Anyway, my point is, I like being able to use more than one ID. Have you stopped to think about the negative aspects of such a system? (Remember, system overall, not everyone is yourself, and firstly you had to "smurf" people to get up the ranks. You can't just start off by playing people your own skill level now can you?)
What?
Every new season I made a new account. Every season, your stats reset, so no I didn't have to "smurf" anyone, because EVERYONE starts over at the end of a season.
IE in season 6 I was A- with the ID jinrO. I decided to keep using it in season 7, but even though I didn't make a new ID I still started over from rank D.
Secondly, I said I'm fine with your ELL being linked to your "main" account (ie the Battle.net account you register with your CD-key, the one that you can use with the Blizzard store etc). I just want to be able to create more than ID to be honest.
I'd like a way to make "fuck around" accounts so I could do stupid shit like nuke rush without it ruining my ladder score, but it's not essential.
I honestly don't see the big deal about playing someone better than you - I played iloveoov at C- in PGTour - he rolled me in 10-15 minutes. Was I devastated I'd been "smurfed by a progamer"? No, I went "holy shit this guy is good [he was 33-0 at the time, and it was early season lol], I have to find out who it is".
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On August 22 2009 11:25 FragKrag wrote:
This is more of a complaint from the WC3 players who see many more smurfs than SC players. There are always high level WC3 players who will smurf or abuse, and beat the shit out of lower level players to inflate their %.
I'm not understanding why this is fundamentally wrong... I think by cultivating a more effective matchmaking system in which % wasn't the sole criteria of judgement, incentive to smurf would be eliminated and they wouldn't have to restrict it to 1 account per game.
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There are not many smurfs on war3 ladder. I smurf on it all the time and everybody is pretty terrible, including me. In the war3 ladder if you go 5-0 you will already be playing people with good records. At 0-0 you usually play people with 50%+ as well.
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wow this is really pathetic as someone mentioned before
smurfing is really cool, you can play however and whoever you like without much pressure and have lots of fun. All of those who complain smufing is bad just because they get get beat up by some guys above their ranks but looking to get good stats are just lousy losers. People that are actually good get harassed by newbies so they make smurfs and play without having to worry about that. People that aren't that good make smurfs so they don't ruin their ladder score while fucking around or offracing. Everyone's having fun and there is balance in the universe.
Did Blizzard atleast give a motivation for this decision ? I don't see a real purpose to having just one account name for cd-key.
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On August 22 2009 07:57 Tsagacity wrote:
As people predicted, bnet 2.0 is looking A LOT like steam.
The anti-smurfing is ok with me, but they better have some sort of anonymity feature option so well-known players can't be harassed.
Whats bad about steam, they do a really good job
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I don't think anyone has such an issue with this on stuff like xbox live. You can play unranked games if you want to fool around, and ladder is for laddering.
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i dont mind at all. smurfing is a huge problem in starcraft and iccup specifically: i think the effect of smurfing is magnified because a lot of starcraft players are extremely egotistical and like to stomp noobies.
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On August 22 2009 13:06 FirstBorn wrote:
smurfing is really cool, you can play however and whoever you like without much pressure and have lots of fun.
oh god that is so pathetic. if you want to just fuck around (read: i liek to stomp noobies because im a huge loser and it gives me an ego boost) then just play non ranked games. it's pretty fucking straight forward guys.
out of all the things blizz has done in sc2 this is probably the best decision ever. playing SC against people the same skill level as you every game is going to be fantastic.
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On August 22 2009 13:19 lazz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 13:06 FirstBorn wrote:
smurfing is really cool, you can play however and whoever you like without much pressure and have lots of fun. oh god that is so pathetic. if you want to just fuck around (read: i liek to stomp noobies because im a huge loser and it gives me an ego boost) then just play non ranked games. it's pretty fucking straight forward guys. out of all the things blizz has done in sc2 this is probably the best decision ever. playing SC against people the same skill level as you every game is going to be fantastic.
True that will be great 
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I really like the ideas behind this new battle.net. One account per game makes more accurate matchmaking and easier to ban hackers. It looks great and I am looking foward to SC2
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On August 22 2009 13:19 lazz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 13:06 FirstBorn wrote:
smurfing is really cool, you can play however and whoever you like without much pressure and have lots of fun. oh god that is so pathetic. if you want to just fuck around (read: i liek to stomp noobies because im a huge loser and it gives me an ego boost) then just play non ranked games. it's pretty fucking straight forward guys.
To be honest I'm quite bad. And when I get a terrible recond on Iccup I just make a new account and stomp D players. That boosts up my confidence and it's easier to start playing on my main account right away.
It's not about me sitting in the D channel all day stomping newbies, but I can do that whenever I'm on a loss streak and mentally get in shape for when I'm going to play with people my own skill.
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United States22883 Posts
I think one important thing to not lose sight of is the fact that competitive online SC2 will not end at Blizzard's ladder. My guess is we'll have a situation similar to what's currently going on right now, but we'll more than one other competitive league. Those primarily concerned with battle.net and the official ladder are akin to those that care about pub stats or OGL in CS.
Ladders are not a good way to run competition anyways, so we'll have real leagues where serious play happens. No, you might not get to smurf on b.net (and I agree, there are some good aspects to it) but that's not going to be the majority of the TL community's focus anyways.
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