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On August 22 2009 14:43 ReDDoG-TrEe wrote:
We really dont know how this is going to work, they have never said you can't have or make different I.D's. They could just as easy tie in your battle.net account hidden rating with your SC2 account('s) so if you do want to make a new name you will be paired up with players still around your level of skill as of your Bnet account.
Either way even if you "can't" make more accounts because they want to stop smurfing remember the population of SC2 will be much larger then how WC3/SC is atm. Back in the day's like 10 years ago if any of you played/remember back then almost all of the skilled games were unrated... why was this, well many people played together with people they knew or on servers like kali,gamei, what not. Sure you could say that was because of map hacks,disc hacks, lack of good ladder play and not able to play it on fastest, but I know when I used to train it was with a few buddies and we'd talk to enhance our game after playing. This was also before replays lol so yah of course things will be different now.
Smurfing is only fun when you are smurfing at your skill lvl or higher and are playing competive ladder, but want your real id unknown. To go around and bash noobs has always been done by other skilled noobs who cant beat anyone with any kind of decent skill. I used to love seeing random smurfs 18-0 1400ish rating in sc thinking they all bad ass then discon hack you because you stomp them and there ego is that of a small boy who just isnt allowed to lose. Stopping smurfs also is a way to prevent the use of hacks, I've known plenty of skilled players back in the day that addmitted to map hacking on smurfs just to give them an edge and increase there gameplay. that is still considered cheating even if you play legit on main name and in tournies and what not.
yeah it's true, like you said even before replays...there were map hackers...and they could learn what their good opponents did that helped them be good even before replays...pretty crazy cheating there.
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even with revealing records for a name changer the name changer still hides his identity from people...thus people aren't aware of his reputation because he hid it.
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On August 22 2009 14:46 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 14:31 FirstBorn wrote:On August 22 2009 14:10 keV. wrote:On August 22 2009 13:06 FirstBorn wrote:
wow this is really pathetic as someone mentioned before
smurfing is really cool, you can play however and whoever you like without much pressure and have lots of fun. All of those who complain smufing is bad just because they get get beat up by some guys above their ranks but looking to get good stats are just lousy losers. People that are actually good get harassed by newbies so they make smurfs and play without having to worry about that. People that aren't that good make smurfs so they don't ruin their ladder score while fucking around or offracing. Everyone's having fun and there is balance in the universe.
Did Blizzard atleast give a motivation for this decision ? I don't see a real purpose to having just one account name for cd-key. You, YOU, as in YOU, yourself, having fun, is indicative of balance in the universe? Interesting. I'm no expert, but that sounds pretty contradictory. If you ddin't catch on to that phrase then I can't help with it. Imo there's too much fuss about being owned so badly in the D ranks. It's even more sad that this is pretty much the main reason people support this decision. Actually, I'm pretty sure the main reason I support this system is because I want good games against other good players, so that I can increase my level of play and have fun doing it. I don't want to be smurfed, and I also don't want someone with the freedom of anonymity being a cunt for the sake of being a cunt with no repercussions. I don't want the guy who spends more time finding ways to get free wins to have any success. I don't want people stat whoring endlessly, by constantly recreating their accounts and producing faux skill (see HoN). I don't want people with racist or unfunny internet memes as names. (unless they are actually clever.) The only people who benefit from having free reign over account names are assholes. Why do you think TL works? (8. THOU SHALT RESPECT YOUR ID) Its a better system for serious competitive players and I am thrilled it will be implemented
this this this this.
i can't reiterate enough how great it will be to have a consistent ladder rank and to actually play against people the same skill level as you. starcraft's main weakness, esp. on iccup, is people smurfing/recreating accounts/stat whoring. with this new system none of that will happen. this is easily the best implementation blizzard has come up for starcraft 2.
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this is a amazing idea... and for all the people that say OMG i cant learn a new race or let a friend play.. there is a thing called unranked games... like god
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On August 22 2009 15:01 iMate wrote:
this is a amazing idea... and for all the people that say OMG i cant learn a new race or let a friend play.. there is a thing called unranked games... like god
Why have ladders at all, we can all just play unranked games..... like god.
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On August 22 2009 14:46 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 14:31 FirstBorn wrote:On August 22 2009 14:10 keV. wrote:On August 22 2009 13:06 FirstBorn wrote:
wow this is really pathetic as someone mentioned before
smurfing is really cool, you can play however and whoever you like without much pressure and have lots of fun. All of those who complain smufing is bad just because they get get beat up by some guys above their ranks but looking to get good stats are just lousy losers. People that are actually good get harassed by newbies so they make smurfs and play without having to worry about that. People that aren't that good make smurfs so they don't ruin their ladder score while fucking around or offracing. Everyone's having fun and there is balance in the universe.
Did Blizzard atleast give a motivation for this decision ? I don't see a real purpose to having just one account name for cd-key. You, YOU, as in YOU, yourself, having fun, is indicative of balance in the universe? Interesting. I'm no expert, but that sounds pretty contradictory. If you ddin't catch on to that phrase then I can't help with it. Imo there's too much fuss about being owned so badly in the D ranks. It's even more sad that this is pretty much the main reason people support this decision. Actually, I'm pretty sure the main reason I support this system is because I want good games against other good players, so that I can increase my level of play and have fun doing it. I don't want to be smurfed, and I also don't want someone with the freedom of anonymity being a cunt for the sake of being a cunt with no repercussions. I don't want the guy who spends more time finding ways to get free wins to have any success. I don't want people stat whoring endlessly, by constantly recreating their accounts and producing faux skill (see HoN). I don't want people with racist or unfunny internet memes as names. (unless they are actually clever.) The only people who benefit from having free reign over account names are assholes. Why do you think TL works? (8. THOU SHALT RESPECT YOUR ID) Its a better system for serious competitive players and I am thrilled it will be implemented
Given that Battle.net 2.0 will be created by Blizzard, I'm pretty sure you'll be able to see your opponent's record when joining or hosting a game. So you should have no problem filering those 40-1 record guys you don't really want to play against.
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On August 22 2009 14:36 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 14:31 FirstBorn wrote:On August 22 2009 14:10 keV. wrote:On August 22 2009 13:06 FirstBorn wrote:
wow this is really pathetic as someone mentioned before
smurfing is really cool, you can play however and whoever you like without much pressure and have lots of fun. All of those who complain smufing is bad just because they get get beat up by some guys above their ranks but looking to get good stats are just lousy losers. People that are actually good get harassed by newbies so they make smurfs and play without having to worry about that. People that aren't that good make smurfs so they don't ruin their ladder score while fucking around or offracing. Everyone's having fun and there is balance in the universe.
Did Blizzard atleast give a motivation for this decision ? I don't see a real purpose to having just one account name for cd-key. You, YOU, as in YOU, yourself, having fun, is indicative of balance in the universe? Interesting. I'm no expert, but that sounds pretty contradictory. If you ddin't catch on to that phrase then I can't help with it. Imo there's too much fuss about being owned so badly in the D ranks. It's even more sad that this is pretty much the main reason people support this decision. Don't you get it? When an A+ player makes a new account he smurfs everyone from D to B+. It doesn't just effect the lowest ladder rung...
yeah...see the a ranker guys beat the b and c ranker guys into the d ranks...all because they aren't good enough for the s ranks...it's no good for the b and c rankers.
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On August 22 2009 15:04 FirstBorn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 14:46 keV. wrote:On August 22 2009 14:31 FirstBorn wrote:On August 22 2009 14:10 keV. wrote:On August 22 2009 13:06 FirstBorn wrote:
wow this is really pathetic as someone mentioned before
smurfing is really cool, you can play however and whoever you like without much pressure and have lots of fun. All of those who complain smufing is bad just because they get get beat up by some guys above their ranks but looking to get good stats are just lousy losers. People that are actually good get harassed by newbies so they make smurfs and play without having to worry about that. People that aren't that good make smurfs so they don't ruin their ladder score while fucking around or offracing. Everyone's having fun and there is balance in the universe.
Did Blizzard atleast give a motivation for this decision ? I don't see a real purpose to having just one account name for cd-key. You, YOU, as in YOU, yourself, having fun, is indicative of balance in the universe? Interesting. I'm no expert, but that sounds pretty contradictory. If you ddin't catch on to that phrase then I can't help with it. Imo there's too much fuss about being owned so badly in the D ranks. It's even more sad that this is pretty much the main reason people support this decision. Actually, I'm pretty sure the main reason I support this system is because I want good games against other good players, so that I can increase my level of play and have fun doing it. I don't want to be smurfed, and I also don't want someone with the freedom of anonymity being a cunt for the sake of being a cunt with no repercussions. I don't want the guy who spends more time finding ways to get free wins to have any success. I don't want people stat whoring endlessly, by constantly recreating their accounts and producing faux skill (see HoN). I don't want people with racist or unfunny internet memes as names. (unless they are actually clever.) The only people who benefit from having free reign over account names are assholes. Why do you think TL works? (8. THOU SHALT RESPECT YOUR ID) Its a better system for serious competitive players and I am thrilled it will be implemented Given that Battle.net 2.0 will be created by Blizzard, I'm pretty sure you'll be able to see your opponent's record when joining or hosting a game. So you should have no problem filering those 40-1 record guys you don't really want to play against.
That is a huge problem though. When you have people who can post those records, and they are given the same kind of 'stage time' as someone who doesn't pull that crap, you skew the value of stats in general to the point where they are not actually worth anything.
I shouldn't have to filter in the first place. Honestly, stats should have one purpose in SC2 and that is for matchmaking. Someones 'goodness' should be proven by winning tournaments, either online or offline; even ELO is fine as long as its actually fair.As long as its not by crunching numbers every time someone joins your game.
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On August 22 2009 15:09 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 15:04 FirstBorn wrote:On August 22 2009 14:46 keV. wrote:On August 22 2009 14:31 FirstBorn wrote:On August 22 2009 14:10 keV. wrote:On August 22 2009 13:06 FirstBorn wrote:
wow this is really pathetic as someone mentioned before
smurfing is really cool, you can play however and whoever you like without much pressure and have lots of fun. All of those who complain smufing is bad just because they get get beat up by some guys above their ranks but looking to get good stats are just lousy losers. People that are actually good get harassed by newbies so they make smurfs and play without having to worry about that. People that aren't that good make smurfs so they don't ruin their ladder score while fucking around or offracing. Everyone's having fun and there is balance in the universe.
Did Blizzard atleast give a motivation for this decision ? I don't see a real purpose to having just one account name for cd-key. You, YOU, as in YOU, yourself, having fun, is indicative of balance in the universe? Interesting. I'm no expert, but that sounds pretty contradictory. If you ddin't catch on to that phrase then I can't help with it. Imo there's too much fuss about being owned so badly in the D ranks. It's even more sad that this is pretty much the main reason people support this decision. Actually, I'm pretty sure the main reason I support this system is because I want good games against other good players, so that I can increase my level of play and have fun doing it. I don't want to be smurfed, and I also don't want someone with the freedom of anonymity being a cunt for the sake of being a cunt with no repercussions. I don't want the guy who spends more time finding ways to get free wins to have any success. I don't want people stat whoring endlessly, by constantly recreating their accounts and producing faux skill (see HoN). I don't want people with racist or unfunny internet memes as names. (unless they are actually clever.) The only people who benefit from having free reign over account names are assholes. Why do you think TL works? (8. THOU SHALT RESPECT YOUR ID) Its a better system for serious competitive players and I am thrilled it will be implemented Given that Battle.net 2.0 will be created by Blizzard, I'm pretty sure you'll be able to see your opponent's record when joining or hosting a game. So you should have no problem filering those 40-1 record guys you don't really want to play against. That is a huge problem though. When you have people who can post those records, and they are given the same kind of 'stage time' as someone who doesn't pull that crap, you skew the value of stats in general to the point where they are not actually worth anything. I shouldn't have to filter in the first place. Honestly, stats should have one purpose in SC2 and that is for matchmaking. Someones 'goodness' should be proven by winning tournaments, either online or offline, not by crunching numbers every time someone joins your game.
what the hell are you guys talking about..
the only way is to use the ladder matchmaking system which doesnt give you a choice of who to play against
am i incorrect?
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On August 22 2009 15:11 Zelniq wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 15:09 keV. wrote:On August 22 2009 15:04 FirstBorn wrote:On August 22 2009 14:46 keV. wrote:On August 22 2009 14:31 FirstBorn wrote:On August 22 2009 14:10 keV. wrote:On August 22 2009 13:06 FirstBorn wrote:
wow this is really pathetic as someone mentioned before
smurfing is really cool, you can play however and whoever you like without much pressure and have lots of fun. All of those who complain smufing is bad just because they get get beat up by some guys above their ranks but looking to get good stats are just lousy losers. People that are actually good get harassed by newbies so they make smurfs and play without having to worry about that. People that aren't that good make smurfs so they don't ruin their ladder score while fucking around or offracing. Everyone's having fun and there is balance in the universe.
Did Blizzard atleast give a motivation for this decision ? I don't see a real purpose to having just one account name for cd-key. You, YOU, as in YOU, yourself, having fun, is indicative of balance in the universe? Interesting. I'm no expert, but that sounds pretty contradictory. If you ddin't catch on to that phrase then I can't help with it. Imo there's too much fuss about being owned so badly in the D ranks. It's even more sad that this is pretty much the main reason people support this decision. Actually, I'm pretty sure the main reason I support this system is because I want good games against other good players, so that I can increase my level of play and have fun doing it. I don't want to be smurfed, and I also don't want someone with the freedom of anonymity being a cunt for the sake of being a cunt with no repercussions. I don't want the guy who spends more time finding ways to get free wins to have any success. I don't want people stat whoring endlessly, by constantly recreating their accounts and producing faux skill (see HoN). I don't want people with racist or unfunny internet memes as names. (unless they are actually clever.) The only people who benefit from having free reign over account names are assholes. Why do you think TL works? (8. THOU SHALT RESPECT YOUR ID) Its a better system for serious competitive players and I am thrilled it will be implemented Given that Battle.net 2.0 will be created by Blizzard, I'm pretty sure you'll be able to see your opponent's record when joining or hosting a game. So you should have no problem filering those 40-1 record guys you don't really want to play against. That is a huge problem though. When you have people who can post those records, and they are given the same kind of 'stage time' as someone who doesn't pull that crap, you skew the value of stats in general to the point where they are not actually worth anything. I shouldn't have to filter in the first place. Honestly, stats should have one purpose in SC2 and that is for matchmaking. Someones 'goodness' should be proven by winning tournaments, either online or offline, not by crunching numbers every time someone joins your game. what the hell are you guys talking about.. the only way is to use the ladder matchmaking system which doesn't give you a choice of who to play against am i incorrect?
If its like WC3 matchmaking, and I expect it will be, yes you are correct, there is no choice.
I'm just saying I shouldn't have to /stats someone and have to determine the value of what I read based on anything but the actual numbers.
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iccup has /dnd ... it that simple no1 get harrassed...
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I'd love to hear all these people saying "its a terrible stupid decision by blizzard" to actually come up with something more fair and a way to determine someones true skill. I especially love the "What if I want to learn another race argument," when get this: YOU HAVE 3 SEPARATE RECORDS.
(If you think you have a better solution you don't)
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the only problem for me, with this decision, is about privacy.
And one question : could me change our nick after created an account ? Because I guess if I have 13 y.o and start as "superboss", i'd like to change it when I turn 15... . If not, it is also a problem of freedom.
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On August 22 2009 07:57 maybenexttime wrote:
Pathetic.
It's already been discussed to death. IDIOTIC decision. What if I want to learn a new race?
You don't need a new nickname for a new race.
On August 22 2009 07:57 maybenexttime wrote:
What if my brother wants to play?
Ok. It's not nice... but in other hand you can tell you not hacked, it was my brother! I understand and I agreed why Blizzard made this decision. Besides there is no problem to join/create unranked game or... made account family In the end games are for fun...
On August 22 2009 07:57 maybenexttime wrote:
What if I want to learn a new strategy?
You don't need a new nickname for a new race.
On August 22 2009 07:57 maybenexttime wrote:
What if I simply want to mess around? FUCK THAT.
Leave Battle.net 2.0 and mess in your home;x
On August 22 2009 15:01 iMate wrote:
this is a amazing idea... and for all the people that say OMG i cant learn a new race or let a friend play.. there is a thing called unranked games... like god
I agree.
On August 22 2009 15:02 Polis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 15:01 iMate wrote:
this is a amazing idea... and for all the people that say OMG i cant learn a new race or let a friend play.. there is a thing called unranked games... like god Why have ladders at all, we can all just play unranked games..... like god. Idiotic question - idiotic answer.
Why? Because they want.
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Now I saw in Battle.net 2.0 Revealed thread that you can "Play As Guest"
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On August 22 2009 15:20 keV. wrote:
I'd love to hear all these people saying "its a terrible stupid decision by blizzard" to actually come up with something more fair and a way to determine someones true skill. I especially love the "What if I want to learn another race argument," when get this: YOU HAVE 3 SEPARATE RECORDS.
(If you think you have a better solution you don't)
One account per cd-key si a really bad way to determine someone's true skill. For instance, a player starts playing sc2 for the first time and loses more than he wins because he's a slow learner or just experiments with different strategies. Therefore, his record might be something like 350-500. But as he plays he learns to adapt and gets at 1000-800.
A second player is a faster learner that adapter better to the new game and has his record at about 300-70. But as he reaches 1000 wins, he is at the same level of skill level with the first player, yet his record is a lot better.
Anyway, there's still too much theorycrafting at this point, so let's just wait for the game to come out.
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On August 22 2009 15:16 mysticism wrote:
iccup has /dnd ... it that simple no1 get harrassed...
What you don't want to avoid everybody?
On August 22 2009 15:20 keV. wrote:
I'd love to hear all these people saying "its a terrible stupid decision by blizzard" to actually come up with something more fair and a way to determine someones true skill. I especially love the "What if I want to learn another race argument," when get this: YOU HAVE 3 SEPARATE RECORDS.
(If you think you have a better solution you don't)
What if I play ZvT/ZvP/TvZ good it does not mean that I play TvP good. What about ability o choose mu that goes to your ranking, you could have separate rankings. For example you play TvP badly so you choose it to be ranked separately from your ZvT/ZvP/TvZ. Maybe accounts that don't have MU against all races should not be on the main ranking page, they could have separate page for that (called training accounts for example some % would be required to get on the main page rankings). I hope that you will be able to select MU not only race I play for fun, and some MU just aren't, not becouse of winning or loosing that is irrelevant to me as long as the games are good. Race picking makes the game much more fun.
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On August 22 2009 15:28 NeSeNVi wrote:
Idiotic question - idiotic answer.
Why? Because they want.
What if somebody want to play new Mu in league, there is exactly the same reason on why you play new race/mu/strategy in league you want automatic matchmaking, and to play against players with similar skill level. You always have access to players that have similar levels to all your MU?
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On August 22 2009 15:32 Polis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 15:16 mysticism wrote:
iccup has /dnd ... it that simple no1 get harrassed...
What you don't want to avoid everybody? Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 15:20 keV. wrote:
I'd love to hear all these people saying "its a terrible stupid decision by blizzard" to actually come up with something more fair and a way to determine someones true skill. I especially love the "What if I want to learn another race argument," when get this: YOU HAVE 3 SEPARATE RECORDS.
(If you think you have a better solution you don't) What if I play ZvT/ZvP/TvZ good it does not mean that I play TvP good. What about ability o choose mu that goes to your ranking, you could have separate rankings. For example you play TvP badly so you choose it to be ranked separately from your ZvT/ZvP/TvZ. Maybe accounts that don't have MU against all races should not be on the main ranking page, they could have separate page for that (called training accounts for example some % would be required to get on the main page rankings). I hope that you will be able to select MU not only race I play for fun, and some MU just aren't, not becouse of winning or loosing that is irrelevant to me as long as the games are good. Race picking makes the game much more fun.
So you are taking my argument of breaking stats up more and more and countering it with an argument that can in fact be solved by breaking stats up more and more.
Given that you answered you're own questions I just won't say anything.
Also, try and remember that a ladder is not a training ground. You shouldn't be able to pick and choose your opponents.
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I'm sure there will still be some way for you to learn how to play and beat people with 1/10th your playtime on Bnet2. Don't worry.
God forbid learning a new strategy would actually cause you to lose games on your main account, or a new race would actually cause your rank to slip to your new play level. They can't let this happen.
TL.net doesn't really like for people to smurf with their account names, because usually their is only one reason you would do it... to try to get away with something you dont really want to try on your main.
Maybe it will actually have a side effect of having people be more GM on Bnet2 than they are now. If you actually feel there is some sort of reputation attached to your account, you might not inclined to be so bad mannered. Though of course it will happen a lot- it may be less frequent than now.
With the mask of near total anonymity Far too many people on Bnet now act like total douches, same on ICCup. If they win, even by a hair, you're offensive GG'd or worse... and if you beat someone, even by a hair, they don't GG they just leave or worse... they do the "fuck you" or some such nonsense.
Possible that the same could go for some of the more harmless game hacking that may be attempted.
Needless to say I support this feature.
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On August 22 2009 15:41 keV. wrote:
So you are taking my argument of breaking stats up more and more and countering it with an argument that can in fact be solved by breaking stats up more and more.
I just had said that dividing simply by race is not good, and that you should be able to choose on what MU you want to play on your account.
On August 22 2009 15:41 keV. wrote:
Also, try and remember that a ladder is not a training ground. You shouldn't be able to pick and choose your opponents.
My post was about selecting MU, not opponents. Those things are unconnected.
On August 22 2009 15:50 cUrsOr wrote:
I'm sure there will still be some way for you to learn how to play and beat people with 1/10th your playtime on Bnet2. Don't worry.
God forbid learning a new strategy would actually cause you to lose games on your main account, or a new race would actually cause your rank to slip to your new play level. They can't let this happen.
TL.net doesn't really like for people to smurf with their account names, because usually their is only one reason you would do it... to try to get away with something you dont really want to try on your main.
What is the point of playing your D level TvP against C+ opponents that you normally play your best MU? To make good games you must be matched against similar opponents. It has nothing to do with loosing points, maybe I should loose points in pointless one sided games just so I will be able to drop enough to get an even TvP? :/
Ability o select MU would solve most problems for me, but it does not look like it work that way from bn2.0 screens so far.
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