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On August 22 2009 15:38 Polis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 15:28 NeSeNVi wrote:
Idiotic question - idiotic answer.
Why? Because they want. What if somebody want to play new Mu in league, there is exactly the same reason on why you play new race/mu/strategy in league you want automatic matchmaking, and to play against players with similar skill level. You always have access to players that have similar levels to all your MU?
On screens from Battle.net 2.0 Revealed thread:
- in Join Cusotm Game: map name, type, genre and popularity
- in Create Custom Game: map name, genre, author
Now I see it's a problem;x I think Blizzard should add 'rank'/'races' (or sth like this: C+/C TvZ) there. You know... there will be patches for sure and let's hope they will add this. And I don't see any reason to have 'popularity' there.
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Exactly. It has everything to do with loosing rank. You should loose rank in pointless one sided games, so you will be drop enough to get an even TvP.
Even on iccup, your rank isnt by Race MU, its by overall performance. If your TvP prevents you from movving above D+ overall, youre not a C- player.
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On August 22 2009 15:41 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 15:32 Polis wrote:On August 22 2009 15:16 mysticism wrote:
iccup has /dnd ... it that simple no1 get harrassed...
What you don't want to avoid everybody? On August 22 2009 15:20 keV. wrote:
I'd love to hear all these people saying "its a terrible stupid decision by blizzard" to actually come up with something more fair and a way to determine someones true skill. I especially love the "What if I want to learn another race argument," when get this: YOU HAVE 3 SEPARATE RECORDS.
(If you think you have a better solution you don't) What if I play ZvT/ZvP/TvZ good it does not mean that I play TvP good. What about ability o choose mu that goes to your ranking, you could have separate rankings. For example you play TvP badly so you choose it to be ranked separately from your ZvT/ZvP/TvZ. Maybe accounts that don't have MU against all races should not be on the main ranking page, they could have separate page for that (called training accounts for example some % would be required to get on the main page rankings). I hope that you will be able to select MU not only race I play for fun, and some MU just aren't, not becouse of winning or loosing that is irrelevant to me as long as the games are good. Race picking makes the game much more fun. So you are taking my argument of breaking stats up more and more and countering it with an argument that can in fact be solved by breaking stats up more and more. Given that you answered you're own questions I just won't say anything. Also, try and remember that a ladder is not a training ground. You shouldn't be able to pick and choose your opponents.
What the hell do you mean a ladder isn't a training ground? That's exactly what a ladder is lol.
A lot of people supporting 1 account 1 key are people who suck, whining about people getting whining about stats by beating up noobs to get good stats; the guy who sucks is whining about stats too, why should the guy who sucks be favoured?
I agree absolutely 100% with every word FrozenArbiter has said in this thread so far.
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Lots of people who support 1 account 1 key are people who are C+, and when they start to lose around that level, just open new accounts to get more wins.
Hence, its the same fear of losing that you dont like the "noobs" having.
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On August 22 2009 16:01 Nightmarjoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 15:41 keV. wrote:On August 22 2009 15:32 Polis wrote:On August 22 2009 15:16 mysticism wrote:
iccup has /dnd ... it that simple no1 get harrassed...
What you don't want to avoid everybody? On August 22 2009 15:20 keV. wrote:
I'd love to hear all these people saying "its a terrible stupid decision by blizzard" to actually come up with something more fair and a way to determine someones true skill. I especially love the "What if I want to learn another race argument," when get this: YOU HAVE 3 SEPARATE RECORDS.
(If you think you have a better solution you don't) What if I play ZvT/ZvP/TvZ good it does not mean that I play TvP good. What about ability o choose mu that goes to your ranking, you could have separate rankings. For example you play TvP badly so you choose it to be ranked separately from your ZvT/ZvP/TvZ. Maybe accounts that don't have MU against all races should not be on the main ranking page, they could have separate page for that (called training accounts for example some % would be required to get on the main page rankings). I hope that you will be able to select MU not only race I play for fun, and some MU just aren't, not becouse of winning or loosing that is irrelevant to me as long as the games are good. Race picking makes the game much more fun. So you are taking my argument of breaking stats up more and more and countering it with an argument that can in fact be solved by breaking stats up more and more. Given that you answered you're own questions I just won't say anything. Also, try and remember that a ladder is not a training ground. You shouldn't be able to pick and choose your opponents. What the hell do you mean a ladder isn't a training ground? That's exactly what a ladder is lol. A lot of people supporting 1 account 1 key are people who suck, whining about people getting whining about stats by beating up noobs to get good stats; the guy who sucks is whining about stats too, why should the guy who sucks be favoured? I agree absolutely 100% with every word FrozenArbiter has said in this thread so far.
The official blizzard ladder is not iCCup. The fact that people use it to train for tournaments is irrelevant. The original purpose of online ladders is to rank the best online players.
The rest of your post is stupid.
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On August 22 2009 16:01 cUrsOr wrote:
Exactly. It has everything to do with loosing rank. You should loose rank in pointless one sided games, so you will be drop enough to get an even TvP.
Even on iccup, your rank isnt by Race MU, its by overall performance. If your TvP prevents you from movving above D+ overall, youre not a C- player.
I will get even TvP, and I will own people in ZvP/ZvT/PvZ what is the point of that? You should have MU against all races to make account "complete", and that is all. Otherwise you are just handicapping people that like to experiment for no reason.
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Well its prob been said many times in this post and many blogs and what not.. but i feel the best way to do it is.. you should be ranked by race.. this would make it possible to switch races and play at your level of play ..
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On August 22 2009 08:50 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 08:45 0neder wrote:
I think lots of people are missing the point. Blizzard's goal is to help more casual players get better at the game and enjoy it more, and become more serious players a la TL. Discouraging smurfing is one way to catalyze that.
Don't you want a larger competitive StarCraft community?
Blizzard will cater to the needs of progamers, which are likely similar to the wants of TL players, so I suggest everyone just relax and wait for the final product. But smurfing ONLY means playing on a "secret" account. Look, if I smurf (which I have done many, many times) it's mostly because I just don't want to play on my main account. Back on PGTour I was smurfing. My account was A+ (jinro). SANDBAGGING (creating a new account to beat on bad players) is solved by tieing your RANKING to a master account. IE: Master account: FrozenArbiter at asdf.com (not a real email btwwwwww). Bnet IDs: Dream.t)PltO number9dream jinro (you can make a limit of like 3 if you want, then if you want to make more you have to delete an old one). All of these accounts would have their rating be the same - if I win 5 games with Dream.t)PltO, I won't get 5 wins on number9dream but my ELL (expected ladder level, which is what decides who you play in the Automated Match Maker) would change. Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 08:48 Integra wrote:On August 22 2009 08:44 FrozenArbiter wrote:On August 22 2009 08:43 Integra wrote:
I think its awesome. Why? You realize it has 0 positive effects that couldn't be achieved by just tieing all your IDs to one "master account"? Do you realize that they spent the entire Battle.net discussion about what the positive efffects were? If so, I did not hear them. Repeat one of them for me plz (I am serious, I do not remember hearing anything that I thought was good about this, but it could be because the stream was lagging like crazy for me so I only catched 25% of what they said about smurfing and had to rely on people repeating it to me).
I dunno if you're being serious or not or if that's how it's going to go but I completely agree and like what you said...except maybe the limitation on "accounts" to 3 is a little off-putting...then again maybe not.
I'm just disliking any idea on "restrictions" when it comes to a company that didn't have any in the first place (except for subtle things here and there which wasn't bad) and WoW doesn't count really.
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dude i dont give a shit if people make new IDs, i do care if people can make new IDs and have a totally clean record. that's fucked and messes up the ladder system, making the learning curve very difficult for the newbies. look at all the people who get pushed away from SC because they go on D ranked games on iccup and get absolutely destroyed by smurfs.
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Have you people complaining about smurfs ever played warcraft 3? Because people that are low level are really bad... so are most high levels. And with the way the ladder works you won't play against bad players for long at all. You actually start at about an average skill rating.
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There is only one instance where I thought smurfing was a problem. cnc3
Because then top players made smurfs in hopes of beating other top players to lower their ranking rather than upping theirs.
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I like it, players in disguise are one of the biggest reasons why nobody of my more casual friends want to play SC on Iccup. In the end players dislike smurfs as much as regular cheaters.
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I don't understand how you will get good at the game if you only play people your own skill level. You get more value out of losing a game than winning one. Watch the replay see your mistakes and try to correct them. It's good because it will encourage more people to play. It's bad because it's just a game and people should be able to do whatever the hell they want. All of the previous SC players weren't lucky enough to have a system like this and we got stomped like shit when we first started. But only those with enough determination to keep playing even after having a record of 5-65 are the ones who really get good at the game. Smurfing didn't affect me personally, everytime i lost i studied replays and got better it made no difference how much better the player was than me. It has gotten really bad recently though. I find i lose more games at D/D+ than C-/C/C+.
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It's always the people who are frustrated by playing the A level Korean on a D account who hate smurfs. "omg i lost 50 points because i played a level kor"
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On August 22 2009 18:28 FragKrag wrote:
It's always the people who are frustrated by playing the A level Korean on a D account who hate smurfs. "omg i lost 50 points because i played a level kor"
Its always the smurfs who hate the 1 ID per cd key "omg I can't boost my ego by beating some noob".
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On August 22 2009 18:31 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 18:28 FragKrag wrote:
It's always the people who are frustrated by playing the A level Korean on a D account who hate smurfs. "omg i lost 50 points because i played a level kor" Its always the smurfs who hate the 1 ID per cd key "omg I can't boost my ego by beating some noob".
There's a reason why progamers smurf, if you can't see why this is a really retarded decision then you're not very bright
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On August 22 2009 18:31 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 18:28 FragKrag wrote:
It's always the people who are frustrated by playing the A level Korean on a D account who hate smurfs. "omg i lost 50 points because i played a level kor" Its always the smurfs who hate the 1 ID per cd key "omg I can't boost my ego by beating some noob".
gj, you know nothing.
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On August 22 2009 18:28 FragKrag wrote:
It's always the people who are frustrated by playing the A level Korean on a D account who hate smurfs. "omg i lost 50 points because i played a level kor"
I think C level players that make smurfs wreak more havoc within the D ranks than A level players. Main reason is because there's way more of them. Even so, I can't see all of the C players constantly making new accounts to go 20-0 until they reach C.
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It's a great thing.
And you know what's even greater? Listening to all the whine of the former smurfers on this thread.
Priceless.
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On August 22 2009 18:46 MrRey wrote:
It's a great thing.
And you know what's even greater? Listening to all the whine of the former smurfers on this thread.
Priceless.
+1. It is funny 
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