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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
On August 22 2009 19:59 lazz wrote: everyone will suffer? sorry I don't understand what you mean by that. I mean that everyone will lose really bad until they get the hand of the game. The lack of multiple accounts won't make that go away. | ||
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
On August 22 2009 20:13 Too_MuchZerg wrote: If SC2 will be like WC3 ladder racepicking is not available for ladder play. Now that WOULD SUCK. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
You pick whatever race you want to play, simple as that. The thing I think you mean, is you dont pick what race you play AGAINST.. which is friggin retarded if you do anyways, I cant STAND those guys who play like ZvT, ZvP and TvZ... If you cant play one matchup for your race, you just cant play your race.. Learn all 3 matchups! This will make you HAVE to learn all 3 matchups. Finally! | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5787 Posts
On August 22 2009 08:40 Bill307 wrote: You still have good options: - play unrated matches Load up WC3 and tell me how many custom 1 on 1's you see. That's right - practically NONE. Now try finding one with an opponent of a skill level that matches yours. Too bad, that's close to impossible. T________T - play with your friends When I'm off-racing they all might be way too good for me. As for trying out new strategies, doing so against a group of selected few individuals does not allow me to capitalize on the surprise factor (i.e. I can't practice the same cheese/unorthodox strategy the same way I can just mass test it on the ladder). - ask for games in an appropriate channel - ask for games on TLnet or another forum Making a new account is WAY more convenient. - man-up, play rated matches, and take the stats hit (after all, I thought only newbies cared about their record?  )So that I drop from let's say C rank as Terran to like D because I decided to learn Zerg? When I'm back to playing Terran and have to get back to C all the way through D players, how is that any different from smurfing? | ||
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[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
Its like someone said before all just whining coming from people who just cant get over losing a lot and being raped back and forth. Also like FA said, when I began to play ('99) I even enjoyed losing because I could learn by it and see lots of new stuff and shit. I really dont know how many games I played in total over those 10 years but if Id take just the first 2 or 3 years I guess my winrate wouldnt be higher than 40%. Still I continued to play because I loved and still love the game. In the end this makes me think youre just the people who wont hang around very long so why the fuck should you even have a voice to decide or influence anything at all? | ||
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Polis
Poland1292 Posts
On August 22 2009 20:20 Skyze wrote: what do you mean you cant race pick in wc3 ladder?? You pick whatever race you want to play, simple as that. The thing I think you mean, is you dont pick what race you play AGAINST.. which is friggin retarded if you do anyways, I cant STAND those guys who play like ZvT, ZvP and TvZ... If you cant play one matchup for your race, you just cant play your race.. Learn all 3 matchups! This will make you HAVE to learn all 3 matchups. Finally! People race pick becouse they find other MU more fun, why would I play something that offers worse gameplay? There is nothing harder about mirror MU. Peaple that race pick also play 3 MU so there is nothing unfair there. | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On August 22 2009 19:48 FirstBorn wrote: Almost everyone had to go thrown the same thing getting pwned by better players and we dealed with it just fine. Some of the people in this thread give too much importance to themselves. Good koreans are foreigners aren't interested in taking wins from people like you all day long, they do it so they avoid people spamming them all the time. The ones that make most accounts to bash D level players are people around C and they're just slightly better than you and playing against them isn't that much of a waste of time. Besides, stop using the term smurf so much. Not counting FA, almost all of the people in the thread aren't good enough to be actually smurfing. Unless you're near B+/A- or above and you're a top foreigner/korean you're not literally smurfing, you just play on different accounts. nah, smurfing just means to use a different id than your regular/normal one to avoid being recognized, you don't have to be good to smurf. hell, it's not even a term restricted to gaming, it's used when talking about just forum ids as well. | ||
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
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hsram
United States30 Posts
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
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Amph
Italy31 Posts
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Crompee
United Kingdom27 Posts
On August 22 2009 20:24 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: What you people constantly going like "PLAY NONRANKED GAMES IF YOU WANNA DO STUPID STUFF/PRACTICE OTHER RACES/BO" dont even bother to consider is that when you wanna practice, you wanna have an at least decent opponent. How the hell should I find a decent opponent going on to regular B.Net right now and join a public game? Seriously lol it just doesnt happen. And with your logic it just wont happen since people playing non-ranked games on B.Net 2.0 are gonna be even worse than the scrubs playing pub on regular B.Net right now. Its like someone said before all just whining coming from people who just cant get over losing a lot and being raped back and forth. Also like FA said, when I began to play ('99) I even enjoyed losing because I could learn by it and see lots of new stuff and shit. I really dont know how many games I played in total over those 10 years but if Id take just the first 2 or 3 years I guess my winrate wouldnt be higher than 40%. Still I continued to play because I loved and still love the game. In the end this makes me think youre just the people who wont hang around very long so why the fuck should you even have a voice to decide or influence anything at all? Then play ranked games in a different ladder to the main one. They've stated people will be able to setup there own ladders and there will be multiple competitions going on at the same time. So simply dont play your mess around or practise games on the main ladder. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On August 22 2009 20:20 Skyze wrote: what do you mean you cant race pick in wc3 ladder?? You pick whatever race you want to play, simple as that. The thing I think you mean, is you dont pick what race you play AGAINST.. which is friggin retarded if you do anyways, I cant STAND those guys who play like ZvT, ZvP and TvZ... If you cant play one matchup for your race, you just cant play your race.. Learn all 3 matchups! This will make you HAVE to learn all 3 matchups. Finally! ... Why? I DESPISE PvP. Why shouldn't I get to play TvP if I want to? PvR PvZ PvT TvP is what I would set it to, and I don't get why I wouldn't be allowed to do that - it's a game, shouldn't fun come first? | ||
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Krohm
Canada1857 Posts
Well anyway, I'm rather indifferent to this decision. It's pretty much like Wc3 Ladder. I'm completely fine with the system other than being able to pick which race you play against. That's really the only downside to this that I can see. Because mirror matches are garbage. I like the fact that now everyone who plays ladder will have true stats. I don't care about rank, and I find it ridiculous that people are whining about it. If you want to learn a new race, bite the bullet, and take the rank beating. Seriously it's just not that big of a deal. Only people with ego issues care about rank. [Half serious haha] But yeah, meh. | ||
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DeiGn
France7 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On August 22 2009 16:30 hsram wrote: I dunno if you're being serious or not or if that's how it's going to go but I completely agree and like what you said...except maybe the limitation on "accounts" to 3 is a little off-putting...then again maybe not. I'm just disliking any idea on "restrictions" when it comes to a company that didn't have any in the first place (except for subtle things here and there which wasn't bad) and WoW doesn't count really. This is a very important point, and yes I'm being serious. On August 22 2009 21:01 Krohm wrote: Twelve pages of whining... Well anyway, I'm rather indifferent to this decision. It's pretty much like Wc3 Ladder. I'm completely fine with the system other than being able to pick which race you play against. That's really the only downside to this that I can see. Because mirror matches are garbage. I like the fact that now everyone who plays ladder will have true stats. I don't care about rank, and I find it ridiculous that people are whining about it. If you want to learn a new race, bite the bullet, and take the rank beating. Seriously it's just not that big of a deal. Only people with ego issues care about rank. [Half serious haha] But yeah, meh. Don't you see the problem with this? Let's say I'm A rank protoss, but my zerg is maybe D+. Now, I've got my high ranked ladder account and I feel like playing some Zerg. Who will I be matched up against? A ranked players. It will suck. A lot. Then when I get tired of losing to A rank players, I go back to playing protoss. But, what's this? My losses dropped my account down to B? Now I get to destroy people waaaaaay below my rank instead. As I've said before, this part of the problem can be solved by having each race (or, indeed, each matchup) be tracked seperately in terms of rating (if you get to A as protoss and then start playing zerg, your Zerg starting ELL should be higher, of course). | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
On August 22 2009 20:46 Amph wrote: so...why there is "Play as a Guest" in this screen? http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2595/3843416435_fd274cea44_o.jpg for kicks | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On August 22 2009 15:20 keV. wrote: I'd love to hear all these people saying "its a terrible stupid decision by blizzard" to actually come up with something more fair and a way to determine someones true skill. I especially love the "What if I want to learn another race argument," when get this: YOU HAVE 3 SEPARATE RECORDS. (If you think you have a better solution you don't) If you have a different rating for each race then that's fine, but they have not made any indication that this is the case. In addition, as I've said many many times, you can easily have every new account someone makes be TIED to their main account, meaning if your ELL matches you up with A rank players and you make a new account, your starting ELL for that account will be ... A rank. | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On August 22 2009 20:56 FrozenArbiter wrote: ... Why? I DESPISE PvP. Why shouldn't I get to play TvP if I want to? PvR PvZ PvT TvP is what I would set it to, and I don't get why I wouldn't be allowed to do that - it's a game, shouldn't fun come first? If you can pick what matchups you can play (just like wc3 removing maps but this time matchups) I am supporting it then. | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On August 22 2009 21:07 FrozenArbiter wrote: This is a very important point, and yes I'm being serious. Don't you see the problem with this? Let's say I'm A rank protoss, but my zerg is maybe D+. Now, I've got my high ranked ladder account and I feel like playing some Zerg. Who will I be matched up against? A ranked players. It will suck. A lot. Then when I get tired of losing to A rank players, I go back to playing protoss. But, what's this? My losses dropped my account down to B? Now I get to destroy people waaaaaay below my rank instead. As I've said before, this part of the problem can be solved by having each race (or, indeed, each matchup) be tracked seperately in terms of rating (if you get to A as protoss and then start playing zerg, your Zerg starting ELL should be higher, of course). I think having every matchup its own ranking zvp, zvt, zvz, tvz, tvp, tvt, pvz, pvt and pvp. You can look your ranking it on your account. You will be matched your ladder game according what matchups you want to play and it matches randomly opponents matchups he wants (if there is many options). Some problems though, like one of your matchup might be very low because not playing it and you are noob bashing that point. But it might speed up that matchup to your average ranking by giving points faster to reach your current skill level. | ||
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