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On September 21 2012 05:47 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 05:45 SgtCoDFish wrote:
I cannot comprehend why people are complaining that battle hellions are similar to firebats. So they're firebats that turn into cars. Where's the complaint? Why's it "lol hellions are firebats"? What's funny?
People bitch and moan about everything in SC2 that isn't like BW, and when something becomes more like BW they bitch and moan about it. Coz it's a stupid nerf. Why would I want to build Medivacs when I'm meching? And now you can't repair battle hellions either.
Did they lose their mechanical status?
And you'd want to build medivacs for the same reason you'd want to build dropships. To drop. But now your drops heal your hellions too. So mech just gained this awesome harass potential.
The only negative I can think of is that they can be sniped by ghosts now... which isn't really a consideration. Are there any other abilities which only affect bio? I guess in team games you can transfuse hellions now.
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On September 21 2012 05:45 Salteador Neo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 05:41 Existor wrote:On September 21 2012 05:39 avilo wrote:
Widow mine still 2 supply, so it'll still be pretty bad past the 7 min mark. Man, stop complain about 2 supply if it can be manually targeted and it can kill half of enemy army. Especially in SC2 engine with clumping units. It's very strong now. dafuq... cars are biological? That explains why i want to hump them so often Drivers are biological, same as SCV. They are biological, because with human driver inside. By that logic tanks are bio too? And banshees. And every other terran unit.
Well we know all their faces besides the guy in the marauder suite. Given all that I really hope blizz fixes this in a future patch and makes every unit except for the marauder biological, seems fitting to me.
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On September 21 2012 05:49 renaissanceMAN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 05:48 S_SienZ wrote:On September 21 2012 05:46 renaissanceMAN wrote:On September 21 2012 05:45 S_SienZ wrote:On September 21 2012 05:44 renaissanceMAN wrote:On September 21 2012 05:42 _Nova_ wrote:
Yeah, let's just call them Firebats now. Battle Hellion takes longer to type, no point. I don't see why removing the hellion entirely and adding the firebat in would be imbalanced... Terran would have 0 map control against Z once speedlings are out... meant to type "battle hellion" remove the battle hellion ability, give terran firebats, terran choose between firebats/helions, choice between strong defense or map presence? From what I understood from what the devs have said, BHs were introduced so that T mech could deal with chargelots. Firebats won't fit in a mech comp since they won't benefit from vehicle upgrades. why wouldn't firebats be better against chargelots though? they're strong, have high defense, essentially do the same thing as battle hellions are doing now
Coz 3/3 regular hellions > 3/3 chargelots > 0/0 Firebats
vP Terran always has to get Ship weapons for Vikings against Colossi, the rest of your gas can only go to either bio or mech upgrades but not both.
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On September 21 2012 05:41 Existor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 05:39 avilo wrote:
Widow mine still 2 supply, so it'll still be pretty bad past the 7 min mark. Man, stop complain about 2 supply if it can be manually targeted and it can kill half of enemy army. Especially in SC2 engine with clumping units. It's very strong now. Show nested quote +dafuq... cars are biological? That explains why i want to hump them so often Drivers are biological, same as SCV. They are biological, because with human driver inside.
every terran unit would be biological then -_-
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On September 21 2012 05:47 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 05:45 SgtCoDFish wrote:
I cannot comprehend why people are complaining that battle hellions are similar to firebats. So they're firebats that turn into cars. Where's the complaint? Why's it "lol hellions are firebats"? What's funny?
People bitch and moan about everything in SC2 that isn't like BW, and when something becomes more like BW they bitch and moan about it. Coz it's a stupid nerf. Why would I want to build Medivacs when I'm meching? And now you can't repair battle hellions either.
Is it a nerf? It seems like a buff to bio-mech.
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On September 21 2012 05:49 renaissanceMAN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 05:48 S_SienZ wrote:On September 21 2012 05:46 renaissanceMAN wrote:On September 21 2012 05:45 S_SienZ wrote:On September 21 2012 05:44 renaissanceMAN wrote:On September 21 2012 05:42 _Nova_ wrote:
Yeah, let's just call them Firebats now. Battle Hellion takes longer to type, no point. I don't see why removing the hellion entirely and adding the firebat in would be imbalanced... Terran would have 0 map control against Z once speedlings are out... meant to type "battle hellion" remove the battle hellion ability, give terran firebats, terran choose between firebats/helions, choice between strong defense or map presence? From what I understood from what the devs have said, BHs were introduced so that T mech could deal with chargelots. Firebats won't fit in a mech comp since they won't benefit from vehicle upgrades. why wouldn't firebats be better against chargelots though? they're strong, have high defense, essentially do the same thing as battle hellions are doing now
Have you seen what collosus do to battle hellions right now?
They melt and the chargelots run past anyways and kill the tanks.
Atleast with healing the BHs will survive for longer. Also mech drops. Medivacs no longer useless supply.
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I wonder how this battle hellion change is going to affect TvZ. I can't see zerglings standing a chance.
1 base Blue Flame Battle Hellion Drop opener = @_@
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Don't get why they changed battle hellion to Biological. If anything they should be helping Mech. To me this just feels like a big cop out to say we can't really find a way to improve Mech (aside from Mine buff), so we're going to help you by making Battle hellions have more synergy with bio compositions.
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On September 21 2012 05:51 SarcasmMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 05:47 S_SienZ wrote:On September 21 2012 05:45 SgtCoDFish wrote:
I cannot comprehend why people are complaining that battle hellions are similar to firebats. So they're firebats that turn into cars. Where's the complaint? Why's it "lol hellions are firebats"? What's funny?
People bitch and moan about everything in SC2 that isn't like BW, and when something becomes more like BW they bitch and moan about it. Coz it's a stupid nerf. Why would I want to build Medivacs when I'm meching? And now you can't repair battle hellions either. Is it a nerf? It seems like a buff to bio-mech.
better 1/1/1ing! woo
because of the ambiguity. Marine Tank Raven, a slow death push, or Marine BH medivac, mobile damage powerhouse
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On September 21 2012 05:47 S_SienZ wrote:
Coz it's a stupid nerf.
... Did you really just call this a nerf?
On September 21 2012 05:47 S_SienZ wrote:
Why would I want to build Medivacs when I'm meching?
Oh I don't know, maybe to heal your BATTLE HELLIONS?
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On September 21 2012 05:48 Existor wrote:Then why SCVs are biological? They're robots lol
I guess it's because of how it feels like a human with a suit, helping him move faster and be stronger. Like the marauder. Or even the marine.
Hellion is a car. Or a transformer 
Btw I'm not complaining. I think it's a cool idea for the game that it can be healed and promotes biomech. Lore wise doesnt make sense and just pointing that its funny and weird.
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On September 21 2012 05:51 SarcasmMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 05:47 S_SienZ wrote:On September 21 2012 05:45 SgtCoDFish wrote:
I cannot comprehend why people are complaining that battle hellions are similar to firebats. So they're firebats that turn into cars. Where's the complaint? Why's it "lol hellions are firebats"? What's funny?
People bitch and moan about everything in SC2 that isn't like BW, and when something becomes more like BW they bitch and moan about it. Coz it's a stupid nerf. Why would I want to build Medivacs when I'm meching? And now you can't repair battle hellions either. Is it a nerf? It seems like a buff to bio-mech.
It's a buff to marine hellion medic pushes in TvZ.
The problem is, imo that buff is unneeded in TvZ AND it sets mech a further step back in vP
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If you are bringing BW back don't do it half-assedly, might as well go all the way and give mines to hellions or have the goddamn reaver back.
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On September 21 2012 05:46 tsuxiit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 05:44 Existor wrote:On September 21 2012 05:42 _Nova_ wrote:
Yeah, let's just call them Firebats now. Battle Hellion takes longer to type, no point. Battle Hellion can be shortened to:
Bellion
Battlion
Battleon
Helionbat
Heliobat lol you could, but do you actually want to?
firebathellion
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On September 21 2012 05:53 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 05:51 SarcasmMonster wrote:On September 21 2012 05:47 S_SienZ wrote:On September 21 2012 05:45 SgtCoDFish wrote:
I cannot comprehend why people are complaining that battle hellions are similar to firebats. So they're firebats that turn into cars. Where's the complaint? Why's it "lol hellions are firebats"? What's funny?
People bitch and moan about everything in SC2 that isn't like BW, and when something becomes more like BW they bitch and moan about it. Coz it's a stupid nerf. Why would I want to build Medivacs when I'm meching? And now you can't repair battle hellions either. Is it a nerf? It seems like a buff to bio-mech. It's a buff to marine hellion medic pushes in TvZ. The problem is, imo that buff is unneeded in TvZ AND it sets mech a further step back in vP
How? It helps! BHs melt to splash damage from Collosus and then the zealots just kill all the tanks since t he BHs couldn't do their jobs.
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Haha, are they biological AND mechanical now? I guess then you can repair them AND heal them with medivacs 
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On September 21 2012 05:53 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 05:51 SarcasmMonster wrote:On September 21 2012 05:47 S_SienZ wrote:On September 21 2012 05:45 SgtCoDFish wrote:
I cannot comprehend why people are complaining that battle hellions are similar to firebats. So they're firebats that turn into cars. Where's the complaint? Why's it "lol hellions are firebats"? What's funny?
People bitch and moan about everything in SC2 that isn't like BW, and when something becomes more like BW they bitch and moan about it. Coz it's a stupid nerf. Why would I want to build Medivacs when I'm meching? And now you can't repair battle hellions either. Is it a nerf? It seems like a buff to bio-mech. It's a buff to marine hellion medic pushes in TvZ. The problem is, imo that buff is unneeded in TvZ AND it sets mech a further step back in vP
So you have confirmation they stealth-removed mechanical for battle hellions and didn't mention it in the patch notes, and that battle hellions aren't now like SCVs (bio and mech)? If they have, I still don't think this is a nerf considering the massive harass potential you have.
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Hello Firebat 
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On September 21 2012 05:44 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 05:42 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
So when they are biological do they get different upgrades depending on their current transformation? Because then it wouldnt make sense to play full mech with battle hellions since u dont do bio upgrades when u play mech.
I prefer bio or bio-tank anyhow, so it would be like a complementary unit to my bioball. I've heard u might produce battle hellions or normal hellions at the factory. The logical choice would be to add the firebat and produce it from the barracks. Im not sure if it makes sense to add a lot of medivacs to a mech composition. Makes mech players able to drop without having completely dead supply in the army.
Or wasted gas on a healing ability that they will never use. Its not like you can build dropships that don't have the green-sonic healing ray.
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Healing helions just makes no fucking sense.
Sorry for not being constructive, it's just.... WTF!!!???
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