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Wayne123
Profile Joined July 2011
88 Posts
September 21 2012 10:28 GMT
#521
Isn´t it a problem that the Battle Hellion profits from Mech upgrades in the late game? Even if it´s supposed to counter Zealot/Lings it could be a problem for a Bio player. If you go Bio, I guess you focus on E-Bay upgrades first. And if you have 0/0 Battle Hellions vs 2/2 or 3/3 Zealots or Lings it would really bad for Battle Hellions even if they counter these kind of units.

Am I right? Do you agree with me? Or is what I just said wrong?
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
September 21 2012 10:32 GMT
#522
On September 21 2012 19:28 Wayne123 wrote:
Isn´t it a problem that the Battle Hellion profits from Mech upgrades in the late game? Even if it´s supposed to counter Zealot/Lings it could be a problem for a Bio player. If you go Bio, I guess you focus on E-Bay upgrades first. And if you have 0/0 Battle Hellions vs 2/2 or 3/3 Zealots or Lings it would really bad for Battle Hellions even if they counter these kind of units.

Am I right? Do you agree with me? Or is what I just said wrong?

Most players (in TvZ) end up getting at least +1 factory damage - So this may not be a big issues. However - because the BH is supposed to be a tanking unit - getting + Armor could be a bit of a challenge (also, the fact that with the exception of the Spire, the Armory is the only +/+ upgrade structure that requires gas)
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
September 21 2012 10:39 GMT
#523
On September 21 2012 19:28 Wayne123 wrote:
Isn´t it a problem that the Battle Hellion profits from Mech upgrades in the late game? Even if it´s supposed to counter Zealot/Lings it could be a problem for a Bio player. If you go Bio, I guess you focus on E-Bay upgrades first. And if you have 0/0 Battle Hellions vs 2/2 or 3/3 Zealots or Lings it would really bad for Battle Hellions even if they counter these kind of units.

Am I right? Do you agree with me? Or is what I just said wrong?


If you go bio you need the tanky unit that is the BH to hold the zealots, and as such the healing from the medivacs is very welcome. Against mass archons they are gonna suck big time tho.

Also this is all a plus. BH was supposed to go with a full mech army to begin with. Change to bio is a buff for sure.
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 21 2012 10:44 GMT
#524
the lines between mech and bio draw even closer ahahah
interesting change though...
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Zhou
Profile Joined February 2009
United States832 Posts
September 21 2012 10:47 GMT
#525
Doesn't it kind of lose that mech feeling if a batte hellion is classified as a biological unit? I'm confused at what they're trying to accomplish now... Still, early stages so let's hope for the best.
hiimjimmeh
Profile Joined September 2012
United States11 Posts
September 21 2012 10:48 GMT
#526
Im starting to regret preordering HOTS already. I mean seriously? so what's terrans answer to chargelot/archon WITH a reasonable resource trade? NONE, terran will have to be ahead on resources and outmacro the toss just to break even with such a battle. Looks like terran will have to stick with MMMG against toss in the late game AGAIN, and it looks like i've thrown away 40 bucks on a game I never plan on playing.
"Hell, it's about time"
mostevil
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom611 Posts
September 21 2012 11:38 GMT
#527
They actually went and did it, they made bio come out of the factory. This feels really dumb.
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Decendos
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1341 Posts
September 21 2012 12:06 GMT
#528
change entombed. make it a more skillful spell to use. at least make it so you have to have vision of the minerals and you have to manually click each mineral field for entombed. its by far too easy to use which is superboring.
YumYumGranola
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada346 Posts
September 21 2012 12:09 GMT
#529
Next step, re-introduce the warhound and also classify it as biological. I'm glad blizzard is being honest with themselves
LloydPGM
Profile Joined January 2012
85 Posts
September 21 2012 12:15 GMT
#530
Ok, so battle helion is officialy useless vs protoss now. Nice to see that this 1/2 new unit in terran arsenal is already nerfed.
Keeps me in the idea that if you want to have a chance vs protoss, do what you used to in WOL.

I'll save 60€, good news to me.
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
September 21 2012 12:24 GMT
#531
On September 21 2012 21:15 LloydPGM wrote:
Ok, so battle helion is officialy useless vs protoss now. Nice to see that this 1/2 new unit in terran arsenal is already nerfed.
Keeps me in the idea that if you want to have a chance vs protoss, do what you used to in WOL.

I'll save 60€, good news to me.

Such a narrow-minded point of view. I am glad that you aren't buying the expansion, the least we need is more people like this, that don't understand changes at all, and that are sprouting bulls*** about races at the start of the BETA... Great news to me too.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
September 21 2012 12:25 GMT
#532
On September 21 2012 21:15 LloydPGM wrote:
Ok, so battle helion is officialy useless vs protoss now. Nice to see that this 1/2 new unit in terran arsenal is already nerfed.
Keeps me in the idea that if you want to have a chance vs protoss, do what you used to in WOL.

I'll save 60€, good news to me.


Eh?

Battle Hellion isn't useless against toss now.
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Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
September 21 2012 12:26 GMT
#533
On September 21 2012 21:15 LloydPGM wrote:
Ok, so battle helion is officialy useless vs protoss now. Nice to see that this 1/2 new unit in terran arsenal is already nerfed.
Keeps me in the idea that if you want to have a chance vs protoss, do what you used to in WOL.

I'll save 60€, good news to me.


Make battle hellion healable by medivacs. Battle hellions suddenly become useless. Expansion pack suddenly 60 euro's. At no point does your post make sense, sorry :p
Rider517
Profile Joined June 2011
70 Posts
September 21 2012 12:31 GMT
#534
TvP is going to be ghost vs ht again
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
September 21 2012 12:36 GMT
#535
On September 21 2012 21:31 Rider517 wrote:
TvP is going to be ghost vs ht again


How is that a bad thing?
Rider517
Profile Joined June 2011
70 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-21 13:30:18
September 21 2012 13:26 GMT
#536
new expansion, "new" unit, same metagame; how is that a good thing? other two years of the same game just with a different "shape", boring

just like mech, you need ghost to emp immos, toss get templars for ghosts, they just changed the units on the field but it will all come down to emp/feedback again

by changing amry comp (ie bio or mech) i would like to see a different metagame, not the same
Louis8k8
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada285 Posts
September 21 2012 13:28 GMT
#537
Does BH benefit from ground mech upgrades like viking-ground mode uses air mech upgrades?

But I like the bio option. A until that can change its unit type (like vikings) is quite fun.

Mothership core is meh, they need to increase the range back to wtf, for the short amount of time it lasts and how it can't be spammed.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
September 21 2012 13:30 GMT
#538
On September 21 2012 22:26 Rider517 wrote:
new expansion, "new" unit, same metagame; how is that a good thing? other two years of the same game just with a different "shape", boring


Are you ignoring the facts that terran pros streaming now are making mech work in TvP?

Seriously, Morrow alone is showing the world that mech can workm just like it did in Broodwar and you're all ignoring him.
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Rider517
Profile Joined June 2011
70 Posts
September 21 2012 13:33 GMT
#539
On September 21 2012 22:30 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 22:26 Rider517 wrote:
new expansion, "new" unit, same metagame; how is that a good thing? other two years of the same game just with a different "shape", boring


Are you ignoring the facts that terran pros streaming now are making mech work in TvP?

Seriously, Morrow alone is showing the world that mech can workm just like it did in Broodwar and you're all ignoring him.

im not saying it's not working, im saying that is just the same metagame as in wol but different units on the field, i dont like it
perser84
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany399 Posts
September 21 2012 13:33 GMT
#540
i am soory but core is BROKEN
the unit cost 50/50 need 30 sec to built and need only cybernetic core

it has a interresting ability where it can fully recharge anexus
so in other words with a expo its like you have 3 nexus intead of 2

if that works on 2vs2 your terran ally get instant 4 mules for free
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