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On August 05 2010 16:33 Zombo Joe wrote:
Arcturus could have killed Raynor any time.
He had a Dominion while Raynor had 1 broken down Battlecruiser. I remember Raynor saying something about Arcturus downplaying Raynor instead of killing him.
Raynor had the Hyperion, Arcturus capital ship. Its quite a bit bigger and more powerful than a standard battle cruiser. In zero hour you can see it killing dozens of zerglings a second. Your point still stands but I wouldn't call the Hyperion a broken down battlecruiser.
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On August 06 2010 03:39 Holywow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 16:33 Zombo Joe wrote:
Arcturus could have killed Raynor any time.
He had a Dominion while Raynor had 1 broken down Battlecruiser. I remember Raynor saying something about Arcturus downplaying Raynor instead of killing him. Raynor had the Hyperion, Arcturus capital ship. Its quite a bit bigger and more powerful than a standard battle cruiser. In zero hour you can see it killing dozens of zerglings a second. Your point still stands but I wouldn't call the Hyperion a broken down battlecruiser.
But would it say... beat 6 battlecruisers? What about 20 battlecruisers? What about half of the Dominion fleet? (which is somehow >9000)
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Read the BW manual. The UED had spies on the Korpal sector the whole time. They were observing their technological growth, and that's why they had similar tech. Apparently those criminals and dissents were WAY better scientists than what Earth had to offer.
What bother's me most is, why are there giant blow minerals and giant "vespene" volcanoes growing out of every planet except Earth?
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On August 05 2010 00:38 Humga wrote:
(Duran is Xel Naga),
+ Show Spoiler + Duran is NOT Xel'naga, although that is what they want you to think . . . at fist. The Xel'naga are peaceful. The evil force is known as the "Void" or the "The Dark Void". Don't worry, only the three people who suffered through the SC "novels" would know that.
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Havent read the whole post but UED werend that different from terrans cuz it said that they only became the UED like 1 year or so before BW and before they were just sitting on earth fighting over power.
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On August 06 2010 04:08 buhhy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 03:39 Holywow wrote:On August 05 2010 16:33 Zombo Joe wrote:
Arcturus could have killed Raynor any time.
He had a Dominion while Raynor had 1 broken down Battlecruiser. I remember Raynor saying something about Arcturus downplaying Raynor instead of killing him. Raynor had the Hyperion, Arcturus capital ship. Its quite a bit bigger and more powerful than a standard battle cruiser. In zero hour you can see it killing dozens of zerglings a second. Your point still stands but I wouldn't call the Hyperion a broken down battlecruiser. But would it say... beat 6 battlecruisers? What about 20 battlecruisers? What about half of the Dominion fleet? (which is somehow >9000)
It was exactly like Raynor said in the campaign. If he kills them, he turn Raynor into a martyr, risking the outbreak of a Revolution. So he uses propaganda to downplay Raynor.
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On August 06 2010 07:53 heishe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 04:08 buhhy wrote:On August 06 2010 03:39 Holywow wrote:On August 05 2010 16:33 Zombo Joe wrote:
Arcturus could have killed Raynor any time.
He had a Dominion while Raynor had 1 broken down Battlecruiser. I remember Raynor saying something about Arcturus downplaying Raynor instead of killing him. Raynor had the Hyperion, Arcturus capital ship. Its quite a bit bigger and more powerful than a standard battle cruiser. In zero hour you can see it killing dozens of zerglings a second. Your point still stands but I wouldn't call the Hyperion a broken down battlecruiser. But would it say... beat 6 battlecruisers? What about 20 battlecruisers? What about half of the Dominion fleet? (which is somehow >9000) It was exactly like Raynor said in the campaign. If he kills them, he turn Raynor into a martyr, risking the outbreak of a Revolution. So he uses propaganda to downplay Raynor.
Yhea, but i dont think Valerian should have just let him kill all his guard, when they could have been used on Char. Better to say "do not run, we are your friends" or waving the white flag so they wouldnt just Yamato Canon Valerians battlecruiser (cant remeber the name.)
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The thing about plot that bothers me the most is making zerg race enslaved, the plot seems so WC3-alike now  (
And probably in Zerg campaign you will play Kerrigan trying to free Zergs from their mind control, so in last campaign last mission will be just like WC3 - all races united vs Demons/XelNaga.
If it turns out that way it sucks 
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Here's what I think,
Gameplay - awsome
Story - boring characters. nothing interesting with the plot and it leaves to much untold(I know its suppose to be a trilogy, but I think wings of liberty should had been a full game on its own without relying to much on the other two games).
The ending is supposed to be all emotional but honestly.. I felt nothing. kerrigan surviving the artifact wave thingy is just weird, becouse all zerg burns up while she does not(even though she seems more zerg then human). It's like the artifact was made just for her and that's just ridiculous. Tychus getting killed had no effect on me either.
The ending is supposed to leave you saying: wow, can't wait til next canpaign! but instead I got left wondering: what the... thats it?
It's taken 10-11 years to develope the game, right? and they start off the story like this? that's just bad, realy realy bad.
I've been hoping for this "epic" game blizzard have been talking about, but right now it feels nothing near epic. If only the story was just as awsome as the missions was
oh, and I've read people saying that the dialogue in SC2 is better than in SC1... I've never been a crazy fanboy of starcraft but I've rewatch the whole SC1 campaign on youtube and I can honestly say that that is not true :o the dialogue in SC2 is horrible.
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Personally I think if Narud is Duran, that means he has to shapeshifting ability and when you look at it from the research he was doing in brood war it makes me believe that the fallen one is duran who has been pulling the strings from faction to faction to develop his vision of doom. A bit of a stretch though.
I don't get this whole overmind being a slave thing doesn't make sense in the context of from my basic knowledge of starcraft lore the overmind told the zerg to go kill all of the xel'naga? If it didn't have free will how would it do that? What does that even mean to not have free will? And why do the xel'naga's want to splice the protoss and zerg in the first place?
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On August 08 2010 12:20 McPwnage wrote:
Personally I think if Narud is Duran, that means he has to shapeshifting ability and when you look at it from the research he was doing in brood war it makes me believe that the fallen one is duran who has been pulling the strings from faction to faction to develop his vision of doom. A bit of a stretch though.
I don't get this whole overmind being a slave thing doesn't make sense in the context of from my basic knowledge of starcraft lore the overmind told the zerg to go kill all of the xel'naga? If it didn't have free will how would it do that? What does that even mean to not have free will? And why do the xel'naga's want to splice the protoss and zerg in the first place?
First paragraph: I think it's unlikely that Duran is the Fallen One. Remember the dialogue in BW... "I serve a far greater power (than Kerrigan)". That far greater power is probably the Fallen One/Dark Voice. It's not a stretch at all for Narud/Duran to be pulling the strings; we know from the secret mission that he has some level of control over Mengsk, and how the hell would the Moebius Foundation/Valerian know what the artifact does unless their head honcho Narud knows all about the Xel'Naga?
Second paragraph: Read some lore on the wiki. The Xel'Naga "reproduce" by making hybrids from two species, one with the purity of form (Protoss) and another with the purity of essence (Zerg). The hybrid race then becomes the next generation of Xel'Naga, possibly by the use of the artifact discovered by the Moebius Foundation in this game. If you accept that the Fallen One is the KL2 entity, then it's quite plausible that it corrupted the overmind without the Xel'Naga noticing until it was too late.
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To answer some of the Tychus questions out there, it seems like Mengsk manipulated him from the beginning to get to Kerrigan. He likely knew that Raynor wanted to get rid of the Queen of Blades and so had Tychus work through Raynor to get close to Kerrigan.
One piece of dialogue that supports this is after finishing I believe it was the mission where you destroy the archives for Moebius foundation, Matt says something along the lines of, "Every mission Tychus gives us gets us closer to Kerrigan".
Tychus is leading Raynor to Kerrigan, but at the end at Char, gets cold feet. Why? He has grown accustomed to freedom. As long as he doesn't meet up with Kerrigan, he's allowed relative freedom and can enjoy the company of Raynor, but the moment he meets up with Kerrigan, he'll lose all sense of freedom as he'll be forced to make a choice between life and his friendship (and he might end up dying either way).
He might also not want to make that choice and would prefer to stay out of the conflict and enjoy his freedom for as long as he can.
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On August 05 2010 00:16 nihoh wrote:
WHY DIDNT MENGSK JUST ACTIVATE THE BOMB WHEN TYCHUS WAS NEXT TO KERRIGAN
NVM Cos it wasn't a bomb it was poison.
HAHHAHHA u had me burst out laughing
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Chris Metzen should stick to being an artist and stop writing Blizzard game lore, all his stuff since Warcraft 3 had been utterly predictable and it all reads like a fan-fiction lore history allowed to go to print.
It's always been OH NOES A TERRIBLE OUTER ENEMY THAT THREATENS US ALL WE MUST UNITE TO STAND A CHANCE, seriously. I know the Xel'Naga has been mentioned often enough back in Starcraft 1 but still at least throw something at us that is not cliche.
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On August 04 2010 02:41 Biochemist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 01:06 Noev wrote:
Your forgetting the most powerful fact of them all one that makes the artifact look like a toy... the power of being the main character(s). Everyone know this one ability can allow you to succeed in a situation where anyone/anything else would fail, never over estimate that trait. This only works if you're not a George R. R. Martin Character
Unless you're the dwarf... that dude is invincible : P
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On August 08 2010 13:56 Confuse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 02:41 Biochemist wrote:On August 04 2010 01:06 Noev wrote:
Your forgetting the most powerful fact of them all one that makes the artifact look like a toy... the power of being the main character(s). Everyone know this one ability can allow you to succeed in a situation where anyone/anything else would fail, never over estimate that trait. This only works if you're not a George R. R. Martin Character Unless you're the dwarf... that dude is invincible : P
No... his champion lost even as he won. that was the biggest WTF moment for me.
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To those saying Tychus isn't dead, he is. The post-game aftermath summary report thingy says he is matter-of-factly. Not to mention, if he wasn't dead, I doubt Raynor would have walked away with Kerrigan in his arms in to the sunset.
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I think the biggest problem is that some missions are optional that really shouldn't be, they could have made a much better plot if for example the rebellion/zeratul missions weren't optional. Then they could actually use what happened in those missions in more cinematics then just the ones after those missions.
And what happens if you do all the rebellion missions + secret mission before you do the zeratul mission? Doesn't raynor say something like "we fought a zerg/protoss hybrid, like the one zeratul fought" I mean, how would that make sense if in your play through you never did the zeratul missions?
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On August 04 2010 00:22 ArghUScaredMe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 00:19 ayadew wrote:
How Terran can even have a fraction of a chance against any Protoss army. Raynor even says himself that they're just amobeas in comparasion (still claiming that their religios views limits them, but really REALLY?) This doesn't bother me much because it's just part of SC universe. But UED inherently doesn't make sense and contradicts with its very universe.
limitations for the game. What, are they going to make an entirely new terran army? How would that even fit into MP?
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On August 04 2010 02:29 chraej. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 00:55 Captain Peabody wrote:1. Consider the amount of people we have in prision today that are scientists philosophers and other educated intellegent people whos only crimes are disagreeing with the people in power. They would help to keep pace with tech. I have also seen fan speculation that the UED came with a relitively small force and relied on local manufacturing like the Dylar shipyards. Also they UED brought medics too, I suppose heal beams are pretty high tech. (I have wondered this my self and I dont think this is a good enough explaination. ) Actually, that speculation is from Chris Metzen himself. According to him, the UED brought only a small force to the Koprulu sector and mostly relied on local equipment and tech. Even so, they managed to get all the way from Earth VERY fast (a matter of weeks, not months), so they do have better technology at least in this regard. As for (2), keep in mind that they most definitely do not defeat her. The invasion with a third of the fleet fails miserably, tens of thousands of troops are eaten alive on Char or are being pursued across the planet. In the confusion, Raynor manages to pull a small force together and reach the hive cluster under the cover of battle; then, they use the equivalent of a anti-Zerg nuke and a very defensible position (even against the Zerg, this is important) to hold out just long enough to activate the uber-superweapon. If it wasn't for the artifact, they would have been wiped out in a matter of minutes...and most of the Dominion troops almost certainly were anyway. So I don't find it that hard to believe. still, the story poorly reflects these facts regardless, i feel like it was conveyed in a pretty sloppy way
what? No it doesn't, like the last 3 cutscenes show they basically have their backs against the wall
its not the games fault you can't pay attention or infer anything yourself without it being spoonfed to you
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