EPTHow come when Raynor comes face to face with Valerian he just doesn't make him remove it?
Seems pretty dumb.
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Gryffes
United Kingdom763 Posts
How come when Raynor comes face to face with Valerian he just doesn't make him remove it? Seems pretty dumb. | ||
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Gedrah
465 Posts
On August 04 2010 11:25 Luckbox wrote: Tychus claims that the Moebius foundation is the one he owes the debt to and is making money for right? ( hence the death suit ) How come when Raynor comes face to face with Valerian he just doesn't make him remove it? Seems pretty dumb. + Show Spoiler + It wasn't Valerian that put him in the suit. It was Mengsk. But I agree, it's dumb that Horner and Raynor are aware of the death suit but don't confront him or do anything about it until it's "too late." However, we never see Tychus get shot. | ||
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btlyger
United States470 Posts
On August 04 2010 05:41 Chill wrote: I guess I'm not very imaginative but I can't believe anything of the Terran storyline. The Protoss / Zerg storylines were always way better to me. As a zerg player I agree, the Zerg campaign is the only one that matters. Of course, I just love kerrigan. Shes basically why I played zerg in the first place. Oh and hydras <3 <3 hydras. I'm excited for heart of the swarm, my money is on kerrigan still involved with the zerg ^^ | ||
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KillerPlague
United States1386 Posts
On August 04 2010 00:09 ArghUScaredMe wrote: I've always wondered this in SC1: 1. Terrans are social misfits, dissents, and criminals sent in 3 gigantic ships to far away planets from Earth. When they crash landed, they had to restart their technological advancement and civilization from scratch. It took them about 2-3 generations until space travel was possible again. It took them another 4-5 generations of killing each other. All in the meanwhile, humans on EARTH must've been advancing exponentially. In BW, when UED shows up, their technology is comparable to Terrans. Same Battlecruiser and all they have to show are Valkyries. Wouldn't UED be far more advanced? They should be somewhere between Terrans and Protoss. I thought this was always ridiculous. 2. Kerrigan was powerful enough to steamroll Artanis' faction, Mengsk's Dominion, and UED all at once at the end of BW. Her power was unchallenged and spent 4 years bolstering forces even more. In SC2, she is defeated by half of Dominion forces and Raynor's ragtag group? you need to read up more on your lore. they've already said that the technology is very similar between the two, because much of the technology was scrapped from the 3 super carriers. and kerrigan would have overrun the dominion forces, but they had help from a xel naga artifact. | ||
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Gryffes
United Kingdom763 Posts
On August 04 2010 11:26 Gedrah wrote: + Show Spoiler + It wasn't Valerian that put him in the suit. It was Mengsk. But I agree, it's dumb that Horner and Raynor are aware of the death suit but don't confront him or do anything about it until it's "too late." However, we never see Tychus get shot. I'm aware of that - but Valerian reveals himself to be the leader of the foundation - my point is Raynor would be like "hey remove the suit?" when they meet. We know it's Mengsk but Raynor should think it's Valerian. | ||
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Kragx
Denmark236 Posts
On August 04 2010 11:26 Gedrah wrote: + Show Spoiler + It wasn't Valerian that put him in the suit. It was Mengsk. But I agree, it's dumb that Horner and Raynor are aware of the death suit but don't confront him or do anything about it until it's "too late." However, we never see Tychus get shot. + Show Spoiler + It says when the campaign has been completed, as some sort of epilogue under the single player tab, that Tychus is dead among other things. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On August 04 2010 00:09 ArghUScaredMe wrote: 2. Kerrigan was powerful enough to steamroll Artanis' faction, Mengsk's Dominion, and UED all at once at the end of BW. Her power was unchallenged and spent 4 years bolstering forces even more. In SC2, she is defeated by half of Dominion forces and Raynor's ragtag group? Um, no? They make a point of the Terran forces being vastly outnumbered and getting run over in Char. You only win out in the end due to plot reasons- but as far as army power is concerned, the Zerg forces are waaaaaaay stronger. | ||
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
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Duckvillelol
Australia1241 Posts
On August 04 2010 00:09 ArghUScaredMe wrote: I've always wondered this in SC1: 1. Terrans are social misfits, dissents, and criminals sent in 3 gigantic ships to far away planets from Earth. When they crash landed, they had to restart their technological advancement and civilization from scratch. It took them about 2-3 generations until space travel was possible again. It took them another 4-5 generations of killing each other. All in the meanwhile, humans on EARTH must've been advancing exponentially. In BW, when UED shows up, their technology is comparable to Terrans. Same Battlecruiser and all they have to show are Valkyries. -snip- You can't just claim that humans will always evolve 'exponentially' (a bad term to use in this case by the way) - ever heard of the Dark Ages? That period in our own real life history was a time when art, culture and science were all put on the back-burner - and until the Renaissance nothing of value was done. I think you could theorise that if you really wanted to go knee-deep into lore you can certainly weave something like this into the "Earth" history. To be quite honest, it is entirely likely - given that from a scientific point of view war is the one thing that actually spurs on science and creativity. Many many technological advances have come from - or have been based on - war. | ||
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Raisauce
Canada864 Posts
On August 04 2010 00:09 ArghUScaredMe wrote: I've always wondered this in SC1: 1. Terrans are social misfits, dissents, and criminals sent in 3 gigantic ships to far away planets from Earth. When they crash landed, they had to restart their technological advancement and civilization from scratch. It took them about 2-3 generations until space travel was possible again. It took them another 4-5 generations of killing each other. All in the meanwhile, humans on EARTH must've been advancing exponentially. In BW, when UED shows up, their technology is comparable to Terrans. Same Battlecruiser and all they have to show are Valkyries. Wouldn't UED be far more advanced? They should be somewhere between Terrans and Protoss. I thought this was always ridiculous. 2. Kerrigan was powerful enough to steamroll Artanis' faction, Mengsk's Dominion, and UED all at once at the end of BW. Her power was unchallenged and spent 4 years bolstering forces even more. In SC2, she is defeated by half of Dominion forces and Raynor's ragtag group? I went through this guys posts and he's created like 6+ threads dedicated to how shitty sc2 is. ArghUScaredMe quit your whining man. | ||
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[RB]Black
United States55 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On August 04 2010 00:09 ArghUScaredMe wrote: I've always wondered this in SC1: 1. Terrans are social misfits, dissents, and criminals sent in 3 gigantic ships to far away planets from Earth. When they crash landed, they had to restart their technological advancement and civilization from scratch. It took them about 2-3 generations until space travel was possible again. It took them another 4-5 generations of killing each other. All in the meanwhile, humans on EARTH must've been advancing exponentially. In BW, when UED shows up, their technology is comparable to Terrans. Same Battlecruiser and all they have to show are Valkyries. Wouldn't UED be far more advanced? They should be somewhere between Terrans and Protoss. I thought this was always ridiculous. 2. Kerrigan was powerful enough to steamroll Artanis' faction, Mengsk's Dominion, and UED all at once at the end of BW. Her power was unchallenged and spent 4 years bolstering forces even more. In SC2, she is defeated by half of Dominion forces and Raynor's ragtag group? To 1, there are an abundance of possible reasons for this. Just look at the 40k universe. Technology doesn't advance because humanity is scared of technology - they think it will corrupt them and is evil if it gets too advanced. Something like that could've gone on. The government could've shut down continued technological advancement. Anything like that could happened. As for 2, yea, the WoL plot is fairly F'd up. | ||
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Seiniyta
Belgium1815 Posts
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Raisauce
Canada864 Posts
On August 04 2010 23:37 Seiniyta wrote: What I personally think about Tychus at the end that he's not really dead, just unconcious, I mean, one bullet to the head won't kill such a guy, his skull is too thick ya know. He will feel pretty lonely though in that Zerg hive :p If you read the text on the Single Player section after beating the game it says that Tychus is dead. | ||
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kuresuti
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atombombforpeace
United States408 Posts
Raynor and Horner did seem to know about the bomb at some point. What if it was just a plan by raynor and tychus to make it seem like he was dead so mengsk would've activate the suit bomb or whatever it was. The video sent to mengsk would just have been a kind of show put on to prevent mengsk from killing tychus. End baseless speculation. | ||
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nihoh
Australia978 Posts
NVM Cos it wasn't a bomb it was poison. | ||
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Humga
Australia43 Posts
After i read all the posts, everything makes alot of sense now. in WoL it portrayed Mengsk as a bubbling idiot, your forgetting though how cunning and ruthless Mengsk was in Broodwar. It makes perfect sense that Mengsk and his son are working together for a greater purpose. I think that greater purpose has alot to do with Narud (Duran). The mobieous foundation seemed to be pulling all the strings (a.k.a Duran) Duran is controlling Mengsk. THAT"S why they know what the artifect does (Duran is Xel Naga), THAT'S why they know Kerrigan would be human at the end. THAT'S why Kerrigan couldn't find the artifact. and at the end, i agree with atombombforpeace. That ending sequence was planned by both of them to make them think that Tychus is dead so they can both fuck Duran in the face at the end. Everything makes sense now. Backstabbing, betrayal and cunning motherfuckers. That's what Starcraft has always been about and will continue to be. | ||
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Raisauce
Canada864 Posts
On August 05 2010 00:03 kuresuti wrote: It's not set in stone that Tychus is dead to be honest. There's nothing stopping Blizzard from saying that Tychus was not really dead and it was all a lie in Heart of the Swarm. Actually, I'm pretty sure it is set in stone. Blizzard would not have mentioned his death or would have rephrased it in some other way. | ||
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Macavity
United States83 Posts
On August 04 2010 23:01 Duckvillelol wrote: You can't just claim that humans will always evolve 'exponentially' (a bad term to use in this case by the way) - ever heard of the Dark Ages? That period in our own real life history was a time when art, culture and science were all put on the back-burner - and until the Renaissance nothing of value was done. This isn't true. The Middle Ages was one of the highest points of technological and artistic progress of Mankind. All the artistic techniques of Renaissance painters, for example, were developed during the Middle Ages. Dante and Chaucer are definitely part of the Middle Ages. Scholars don't even use the word 'Dark Age' to describe the period because it is so misleading. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages It would probably be more accurate to describe the Renaissance as a Dark Age. While war was nothing new, the powers of Europe began warring against one another over small differences of religion or for power or for sport. The printing press began to be used massively for propaganda and for sophistry. Even Shakespeare, who can be argued to be more Middle Age thinking than Renaissance, constantly mocked the events of his day with relentlessly making fun of the 'Alexander the Great' ideal and the monarchies of the time (and the friar was somehow always the unsung hero in the plays). I think you could theorise that if you really wanted to go knee-deep into lore you can certainly weave something like this into the "Earth" history. To be quite honest, it is entirely likely - given that from a scientific point of view war is the one thing that actually spurs on science and creativity. Many many technological advances have come from - or have been based on - war. It is the opposite. Technological progress comes from peace. Mankind's history is constant tribal warfare, and that got technology to go nowhere. All the technology you use in a single day was the fruit of peace, not war. Refrigerators, electricity, microwaves, automobiles, advanced agriculture, mass production, and so on are all from the result of peace. But, of course, this is a video game so it is best not to think too heavily about these matters. The biggest problem in the Starcraft universe is this stupid artifact. Why was it in pieces scattered out? How does it have the power that it does? People say that WoL is a re-enactment of the first Starcraft campaign. But it is more like a re-enactment of the Brood War's Protoss campaign. Zeratul and Artanis had to find 'crystals' to power the Xel-Naga Temple which, somehow, made a powerful nova that wiped out all the Zerg on Shakuras. Blizzard has yet to explain why Xel-Naga junk creates Zerg nukes. | ||
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