On June 20 2023 23:56 Liquid`Drone wrote: Klose is one of very, very few strikers who has more goals per game for NT than club teams over a large sample size. I'm sure they exist but I literally can't think of anybody else.
I wouldnt be surprised if the majority of all strikers have a higher goal per game average for their national team than for their club team simply because at national team level, you are playing the San Marinos, Andorras and Liechtensteins of this world way more often than you are playing a forth division team at club level. Just for fun, I checked Lineker, Shearer, Crouch and Rooney at wikipedia and it turned out 3 out of 4 those had more goals per game for england than during their club career. Even though neither was even close to the extremes of Klose.
On June 18 2023 05:49 Hildegard wrote: Germany hasn't had a real striker since Klose. Ever since he retired, Germany has had huge problems against teams that park the bus. Against teams like Spain, that go for possession, too, Germany is much stronger.
Fwiw, Klose was in some way past his prime in 2014 and might not have played all that much had Gomez not missed out on the tournament due to injuries. Iirc before the tournament Gomez missing out was seen as a major dent to the hopes of the team.
But that doesnt change anything about the current situation. And while obviously an out-and-out striker would be a major asset, I dont think that is (or at least has been in qatar) the only issue. Against japan in particular, but really in all 3 games at the world cup, if the whole team had converted their chances into goals at just a slightly below regular rate, this striker problem would be just a minor inconvenience instead of a footballing existential crisis.
While I agree that Klose was nowhere near the level of Messi, Ronaldo, Haaland or Mbappé, he scored 16 world cup goals in 24 matches (13 in 26 for Messi), which is the very definition of world class. National teams aren't on the same level as clubs for obvious reasons, but the world cup is the biggest stage, maybe in all of sports and culture combined.
My hope for Germany is that Moukoko will become our future number 9, but he needs more playtime.
On June 20 2023 15:19 RvB wrote: The shortage of world class strikers is because it is the hardest position in the field. Almost every kid dreams to be a forward but hardly anyone makes it. You also do not really need a world class striker on a national team to win. Klose was good but never world-class on a club level.
Klose definitely was world class in the national team though. He held up play, was a very good link-up and scored lots of goals. If Gomez had been Germany's striker in 2014 they wouldnt have won the world cup
Yes in no way did I say this to belittle Klose or argue that Gomez had a career comparable to him. Nevertheless, according to how I remember, before Brazil 2014 Gomez was seen as a potentially key player. And given that his career lasted slightly longer than that of Klose, imo germany did have a real striker after the Klose era, even for just a short time. Gomez didnt deserve to be made fun of because of that one miss in 2008 for the rest of his germany career. And in particular in the latter half of his career, he really pulled his weight when he wasnt hampered by injuries.
On June 20 2023 23:56 Liquid`Drone wrote: Klose is one of very, very few strikers who has more goals per game for NT than club teams over a large sample size. I'm sure they exist but I literally can't think of anybody else.
I wouldnt be surprised if the majority of all strikers have a higher goal per game average for their national team than for their club team simply because at national team level, you are playing the San Marinos, Andorras and Liechtensteins of this world way more often than you are playing a forth division team at club level. Just for fun, I checked Lineker, Shearer, Crouch and Rooney at wikipedia and it turned out 3 out of 4 those had more goals per game for england than during their club career. Even though neither was even close to the extremes of Klose.
On June 18 2023 05:49 Hildegard wrote: Germany hasn't had a real striker since Klose. Ever since he retired, Germany has had huge problems against teams that park the bus. Against teams like Spain, that go for possession, too, Germany is much stronger.
Fwiw, Klose was in some way past his prime in 2014 and might not have played all that much had Gomez not missed out on the tournament due to injuries. Iirc before the tournament Gomez missing out was seen as a major dent to the hopes of the team.
But that doesnt change anything about the current situation. And while obviously an out-and-out striker would be a major asset, I dont think that is (or at least has been in qatar) the only issue. Against japan in particular, but really in all 3 games at the world cup, if the whole team had converted their chances into goals at just a slightly below regular rate, this striker problem would be just a minor inconvenience instead of a footballing existential crisis.
While I agree that Klose was nowhere near the level of Messi, Ronaldo, Haaland or Mbappé, he scored 16 world cup goals in 24 matches (13 in 26 for Messi), which is the very definition of world class. National teams aren't on the same level as clubs for obvious reasons, but the world cup is the biggest stage, maybe in all of sports and culture combined.
My hope for Germany is that Moukoko will become our future number 9, but he needs more playtime.
On June 20 2023 15:19 RvB wrote: The shortage of world class strikers is because it is the hardest position in the field. Almost every kid dreams to be a forward but hardly anyone makes it. You also do not really need a world class striker on a national team to win. Klose was good but never world-class on a club level.
Klose definitely was world class in the national team though. He held up play, was a very good link-up and scored lots of goals. If Gomez had been Germany's striker in 2014 they wouldnt have won the world cup
Yes in no way did I say this to belittle Klose or argue that Gomez had a career comparable to him. Nevertheless, according to how I remember, before Brazil 2014 Gomez was seen as a potentially key player. And given that his career lasted slightly longer than that of Klose, imo germany did have a real striker after the Klose era, even for just a short time. Gomez didnt deserve to be made fun of because of that one miss in 2008 for the rest of his germany career. And in particular in the latter half of his career, he really pulled his weight when he wasnt hampered by injuries.
I have fond memories of him playing for my hometown club VfB Stuttgart. He lost some sympathies when he went to Bayern, but today I get why he did it. Back then, I was angry about it.
On June 20 2023 22:18 RKC wrote: Exactly, Haaland scores impossible goals out of half chances and nothing. That's the hallmark of a modern no 9.
Ironically, Pep couldn't get along with Zlatan but can somehow get Haaland to click into his tiki-taka setup. Maybe Haaland is still young and hasn't develop the ruthless selfishness that comes almost naturally from all elite no 9 like Zlatan and CR7. Or maybe Haaland has this special Zen-like patience and resilience (eg doesn't mind not touching the ball for long stretches and doesn't scream at teammates for a pass). Although he may not have scored or contributed directly much in the FA Cup and CL final, his sheer presence and threat in the final third opens up space for other players to score instead. He's the missing piece of the puzzle that Man City has been lacking all these past seasons since Aguero aged and left (but don't get me wrong, the other stars like Gundagon, Rodri, de Bruyne, Stones, Ederson, etc equally played a major role in the treble).
i think zlatans problems with pep and barca came down to the fact that he was a sidekick to messi. hes the focal point of attack on paper but he wasnt actually the focal point of the team. haaland on the other hand is the main man for city. everything city does in possession is done for the purpose of feeding the ball to haaland one way or another. theres not much haaland could complain about tbh
On June 20 2023 22:18 RKC wrote: Exactly, Haaland scores impossible goals out of half chances and nothing. That's the hallmark of a modern no 9.
Ironically, Pep couldn't get along with Zlatan but can somehow get Haaland to click into his tiki-taka setup. Maybe Haaland is still young and hasn't develop the ruthless selfishness that comes almost naturally from all elite no 9 like Zlatan and CR7. Or maybe Haaland has this special Zen-like patience and resilience (eg doesn't mind not touching the ball for long stretches and doesn't scream at teammates for a pass). Although he may not have scored or contributed directly much in the FA Cup and CL final, his sheer presence and threat in the final third opens up space for other players to score instead. He's the missing piece of the puzzle that Man City has been lacking all these past seasons since Aguero aged and left (but don't get me wrong, the other stars like Gundagon, Rodri, de Bruyne, Stones, Ederson, etc equally played a major role in the treble).
i think zlatans problems with pep and barca came down to the fact that he was a sidekick to messi. hes the focal point of attack on paper but he wasnt actually the focal point of the team. haaland on the other hand is the main man for city. everything city does in possession is done for the purpose of feeding the ball to haaland one way or another. theres not much haaland could complain about tbh
Yes, that's a fair take of the situation. I was waiting whole season for Pep to experiment playing both Haaland and Alvarez upfront, but it never materialise. Maybe Pep has learned from his 'mistake' of trying to squeeze too many galaticos into the starting eleven and cause instability and player friction. Same like how he keeps other stars like Mahrez and Foden on the bench.
But I do think Zlatan has an ego problem (and I'm saying this as a big Zlatan fan). Even if Messi played more deep and fed him passes, he still won't be happy being on the same team with Messi no matter how much Messi adapts to accommodate him. Same way how CR7 will never agree to joining a team with Messi. This can be compared as to how Neymar and Suarez were fine playing alongside with Messi without anyone trying to steal all the limelight.
On June 20 2023 22:18 RKC wrote: Exactly, Haaland scores impossible goals out of half chances and nothing. That's the hallmark of a modern no 9.
Ironically, Pep couldn't get along with Zlatan but can somehow get Haaland to click into his tiki-taka setup. Maybe Haaland is still young and hasn't develop the ruthless selfishness that comes almost naturally from all elite no 9 like Zlatan and CR7. Or maybe Haaland has this special Zen-like patience and resilience (eg doesn't mind not touching the ball for long stretches and doesn't scream at teammates for a pass). Although he may not have scored or contributed directly much in the FA Cup and CL final, his sheer presence and threat in the final third opens up space for other players to score instead. He's the missing piece of the puzzle that Man City has been lacking all these past seasons since Aguero aged and left (but don't get me wrong, the other stars like Gundagon, Rodri, de Bruyne, Stones, Ederson, etc equally played a major role in the treble).
i think zlatans problems with pep and barca came down to the fact that he was a sidekick to messi. hes the focal point of attack on paper but he wasnt actually the focal point of the team. haaland on the other hand is the main man for city. everything city does in possession is done for the purpose of feeding the ball to haaland one way or another. theres not much haaland could complain about tbh
Yes, that's a fair take of the situation. I was waiting whole season for Pep to experiment playing both Haaland and Alvarez upfront, but it never materialise. Maybe Pep has learned from his 'mistake' of trying to squeeze too many galaticos into the starting eleven and cause instability and player friction. Same like how he keeps other stars like Mahrez and Foden on the bench.
But I do think Zlatan has an ego problem (and I'm saying this as a big Zlatan fan). Even if Messi played more deep and fed him passes, he still won't be happy being on the same team with Messi no matter how much Messi adapts to accommodate him. Same way how CR7 will never agree to joining a team with Messi. This can be compared as to how Neymar and Suarez were fine playing alongside with Messi without anyone trying to steal all the limelight.
Neymar actually left so i dont think he was that fine ^^
On June 18 2023 05:49 Hildegard wrote: Germany hasn't had a real striker since Klose. Ever since he retired, Germany has had huge problems against teams that park the bus. Against teams like Spain, that go for possession, too, Germany is much stronger.
Fwiw, Klose was in some way past his prime in 2014 and might not have played all that much had Gomez not missed out on the tournament due to injuries. Iirc before the tournament Gomez missing out was seen as a major dent to the hopes of the team.
But that doesnt change anything about the current situation. And while obviously an out-and-out striker would be a major asset, I dont think that is (or at least has been in qatar) the only issue. Against japan in particular, but really in all 3 games at the world cup, if the whole team had converted their chances into goals at just a slightly below regular rate, this striker problem would be just a minor inconvenience instead of a footballing existential crisis.
While I agree that Klose was nowhere near the level of Messi, Ronaldo, Haaland or Mbappé, he scored 16 world cup goals in 24 matches (13 in 26 for Messi), which is the very definition of world class. National teams aren't on the same level as clubs for obvious reasons, but the world cup is the biggest stage, maybe in all of sports and culture combined.
My hope for Germany is that Moukoko will become our future number 9, but he needs more playtime.
The world cup is only the biggest stage in terms of prestige not competition. To be world class you need to be one of the best in the world. A player who had one season of more than 20 goals on a club level, could not make it at the top club he went to, was not even the best player in his league, and spent most of his time at clubs like Lazio is not world class. Great performances at national tournaments does not compensate for that.
Guess I'm overestimating how many goals strikers have for their club teams. Basically I've seen that very few strikers go much above 0.5 gpg for national teams- but career wise, they rarely do for club teams either, even though many top strikers have individual seasons where they are at 0.8+
Might be a bit skewed due to players playing their best seasons for NT while they generally have some lower scoring seasons before and after on club lever.
On June 20 2023 22:18 RKC wrote: Exactly, Haaland scores impossible goals out of half chances and nothing. That's the hallmark of a modern no 9.
Ironically, Pep couldn't get along with Zlatan but can somehow get Haaland to click into his tiki-taka setup. Maybe Haaland is still young and hasn't develop the ruthless selfishness that comes almost naturally from all elite no 9 like Zlatan and CR7. Or maybe Haaland has this special Zen-like patience and resilience (eg doesn't mind not touching the ball for long stretches and doesn't scream at teammates for a pass). Although he may not have scored or contributed directly much in the FA Cup and CL final, his sheer presence and threat in the final third opens up space for other players to score instead. He's the missing piece of the puzzle that Man City has been lacking all these past seasons since Aguero aged and left (but don't get me wrong, the other stars like Gundagon, Rodri, de Bruyne, Stones, Ederson, etc equally played a major role in the treble).
i think zlatans problems with pep and barca came down to the fact that he was a sidekick to messi. hes the focal point of attack on paper but he wasnt actually the focal point of the team. haaland on the other hand is the main man for city. everything city does in possession is done for the purpose of feeding the ball to haaland one way or another. theres not much haaland could complain about tbh
Yes, that's a fair take of the situation. I was waiting whole season for Pep to experiment playing both Haaland and Alvarez upfront, but it never materialise. Maybe Pep has learned from his 'mistake' of trying to squeeze too many galaticos into the starting eleven and cause instability and player friction. Same like how he keeps other stars like Mahrez and Foden on the bench.
But I do think Zlatan has an ego problem (and I'm saying this as a big Zlatan fan). Even if Messi played more deep and fed him passes, he still won't be happy being on the same team with Messi no matter how much Messi adapts to accommodate him. Same way how CR7 will never agree to joining a team with Messi. This can be compared as to how Neymar and Suarez were fine playing alongside with Messi without anyone trying to steal all the limelight.
Neymar actually left so i dont think he was that fine ^^
Leaving Barca for PSG, where he had to play with Mbappe and eventually reunite with Messi. Funny how karma works out lol.
On June 20 2023 22:18 RKC wrote: Exactly, Haaland scores impossible goals out of half chances and nothing. That's the hallmark of a modern no 9.
Ironically, Pep couldn't get along with Zlatan but can somehow get Haaland to click into his tiki-taka setup. Maybe Haaland is still young and hasn't develop the ruthless selfishness that comes almost naturally from all elite no 9 like Zlatan and CR7. Or maybe Haaland has this special Zen-like patience and resilience (eg doesn't mind not touching the ball for long stretches and doesn't scream at teammates for a pass). Although he may not have scored or contributed directly much in the FA Cup and CL final, his sheer presence and threat in the final third opens up space for other players to score instead. He's the missing piece of the puzzle that Man City has been lacking all these past seasons since Aguero aged and left (but don't get me wrong, the other stars like Gundagon, Rodri, de Bruyne, Stones, Ederson, etc equally played a major role in the treble).
i think zlatans problems with pep and barca came down to the fact that he was a sidekick to messi. hes the focal point of attack on paper but he wasnt actually the focal point of the team. haaland on the other hand is the main man for city. everything city does in possession is done for the purpose of feeding the ball to haaland one way or another. theres not much haaland could complain about tbh
Yes, that's a fair take of the situation. I was waiting whole season for Pep to experiment playing both Haaland and Alvarez upfront, but it never materialise. Maybe Pep has learned from his 'mistake' of trying to squeeze too many galaticos into the starting eleven and cause instability and player friction. Same like how he keeps other stars like Mahrez and Foden on the bench.
But I do think Zlatan has an ego problem (and I'm saying this as a big Zlatan fan). Even if Messi played more deep and fed him passes, he still won't be happy being on the same team with Messi no matter how much Messi adapts to accommodate him. Same way how CR7 will never agree to joining a team with Messi. This can be compared as to how Neymar and Suarez were fine playing alongside with Messi without anyone trying to steal all the limelight.
Neymar actually left so i dont think he was that fine ^^
I was under the impression that Neymar was a big fan of Messi. He went to PSG because of the money and thats it. I even think he had a big part in courting Messi to PSG
Wasn't Messi, Neymar and Suarez the best offensive trio that ever existed?
On June 20 2023 22:18 RKC wrote: Exactly, Haaland scores impossible goals out of half chances and nothing. That's the hallmark of a modern no 9.
Ironically, Pep couldn't get along with Zlatan but can somehow get Haaland to click into his tiki-taka setup. Maybe Haaland is still young and hasn't develop the ruthless selfishness that comes almost naturally from all elite no 9 like Zlatan and CR7. Or maybe Haaland has this special Zen-like patience and resilience (eg doesn't mind not touching the ball for long stretches and doesn't scream at teammates for a pass). Although he may not have scored or contributed directly much in the FA Cup and CL final, his sheer presence and threat in the final third opens up space for other players to score instead. He's the missing piece of the puzzle that Man City has been lacking all these past seasons since Aguero aged and left (but don't get me wrong, the other stars like Gundagon, Rodri, de Bruyne, Stones, Ederson, etc equally played a major role in the treble).
i think zlatans problems with pep and barca came down to the fact that he was a sidekick to messi. hes the focal point of attack on paper but he wasnt actually the focal point of the team. haaland on the other hand is the main man for city. everything city does in possession is done for the purpose of feeding the ball to haaland one way or another. theres not much haaland could complain about tbh
Yes, that's a fair take of the situation. I was waiting whole season for Pep to experiment playing both Haaland and Alvarez upfront, but it never materialise. Maybe Pep has learned from his 'mistake' of trying to squeeze too many galaticos into the starting eleven and cause instability and player friction. Same like how he keeps other stars like Mahrez and Foden on the bench.
But I do think Zlatan has an ego problem (and I'm saying this as a big Zlatan fan). Even if Messi played more deep and fed him passes, he still won't be happy being on the same team with Messi no matter how much Messi adapts to accommodate him. Same way how CR7 will never agree to joining a team with Messi. This can be compared as to how Neymar and Suarez were fine playing alongside with Messi without anyone trying to steal all the limelight.
Neymar actually left so i dont think he was that fine ^^
I was under the impression that Neymar was a big fan of Messi. He went to PSG because of the money and thats it. I even think he had a big part in courting Messi to PSG
Wasn't Messi, Neymar and Suarez the best offensive trio that ever existed?
While we can't know for sure, the press coverage at the time was about Neymar needing to step out of Messi's shadow and become a complete superstar. I remember several articles that anticipated him actually reaching Messi's level in Paris. As far as trios go, they had one amazing season with the treble and the greatest comeback in football history (?) in Neymar's best game, the 6:1 against PSG, but somehow choked in the next round. Barça never truly recovered after Neymar left, basically until today.
msn for me is the best front 3 ever. 2nd and 3rd place for me is a toss up between bale/benzema/cr7 and rooney/tevez/cr7. bbc would probably take 2nd based on trophy count but theres something about rooney/tevez/cr7 that just makes me think they were better.
funnily enough barca also has the best midfield 3 ever imo, being the obvious busquets/iniesta/xavi trio. rm easily takes 2nd with kroos/modric/casemiro. cant think of any other midfield 3 that competes against these two. then again, 3 in midfield has only been the trend for 1 generation of players.
On June 21 2023 19:09 evilfatsh1t wrote: msn for me is the best front 3 ever. 2nd and 3rd place for me is a toss up between bale/benzema/cr7 and rooney/tevez/cr7. bbc would probably take 2nd based on trophy count but theres something about rooney/tevez/cr7 that just makes me think they were better.
funnily enough barca also has the best midfield 3 ever imo, being the obvious busquets/iniesta/xavi trio. rm easily takes 2nd with kroos/modric/casemiro. cant think of any other midfield 3 that competes against these two. then again, 3 in midfield has only been the trend for 1 generation of players.
For top 3 front I would definitely put Liverpools Salah, Mane, Firminho ahead of ManU.
On June 21 2023 19:09 evilfatsh1t wrote: msn for me is the best front 3 ever. 2nd and 3rd place for me is a toss up between bale/benzema/cr7 and rooney/tevez/cr7. bbc would probably take 2nd based on trophy count but theres something about rooney/tevez/cr7 that just makes me think they were better.
funnily enough barca also has the best midfield 3 ever imo, being the obvious busquets/iniesta/xavi trio. rm easily takes 2nd with kroos/modric/casemiro. cant think of any other midfield 3 that competes against these two. then again, 3 in midfield has only been the trend for 1 generation of players.
For top 3 front I would definitely put Liverpools Salah, Mane, Firminho ahead of ManU.
salah, mane and firmino over rooney tevez cr7? yeah no way
On June 21 2023 19:09 evilfatsh1t wrote: msn for me is the best front 3 ever. 2nd and 3rd place for me is a toss up between bale/benzema/cr7 and rooney/tevez/cr7. bbc would probably take 2nd based on trophy count but theres something about rooney/tevez/cr7 that just makes me think they were better.
funnily enough barca also has the best midfield 3 ever imo, being the obvious busquets/iniesta/xavi trio. rm easily takes 2nd with kroos/modric/casemiro. cant think of any other midfield 3 that competes against these two. then again, 3 in midfield has only been the trend for 1 generation of players.
For top 3 front I would definitely put Liverpools Salah, Mane, Firminho ahead of ManU.
salah, mane and firmino over rooney tevez cr7? yeah no way
But Liverpool peaked at an incredible level. The star was van Dijk, but these three put fear into the opposing teams. That team definitely deserves an all-time top-10 club team spot.
2011/12 Barça (73 Messi goals and the treble) is the obvious top choice. Triple CL-winning Real, 2015 Barça 2019/20Liverpool
Anything before 2008. My knowledge of the teams before 2010 is not that good, but I'm very interested in your rankings of the top 10 club teams of all time.
On June 21 2023 19:09 evilfatsh1t wrote: msn for me is the best front 3 ever. 2nd and 3rd place for me is a toss up between bale/benzema/cr7 and rooney/tevez/cr7. bbc would probably take 2nd based on trophy count but theres something about rooney/tevez/cr7 that just makes me think they were better.
funnily enough barca also has the best midfield 3 ever imo, being the obvious busquets/iniesta/xavi trio. rm easily takes 2nd with kroos/modric/casemiro. cant think of any other midfield 3 that competes against these two. then again, 3 in midfield has only been the trend for 1 generation of players.
For top 3 front I would definitely put Liverpools Salah, Mane, Firminho ahead of ManU.
salah, mane and firmino over rooney tevez cr7? yeah no way
But Liverpool peaked at an incredible level. The star was van Dijk, but these three put fear into the opposing teams. That team definitely deserves an all-time top-10 club team spot.
2011/12 Barça (73 Messi goals and the treble) is the obvious top choice. Triple CL-winning Real, 2015 Barça 2019/20Liverpool
Anything before 2008. My knowledge of the teams before 2010 is not that good, but I'm very interested in your rankings of the top 10 club teams of all time.
This hyper focus on front 3 was fun for comparing them to MSN, but doesn't really hold up if you go back in time. Arsenal's Invincibles was an amazing team, but had a front two: Henry + Bergkamp. 1995 Ajax was stellar, but it was a very attack oriented team. You can't really say it was the front 3 of Kanu, Litmanen and George, when a lot of the threat came from Overmars, and Kluivert was a supersub who came up from the youth and had his breakthrough season. Similarly, Bayern was amazing in the Robbery era, but you wouldn't say the front 3 of Robben - Gomez - Ribery is in the greatest forward 3s, although I'd rank Robbery as one of the greatest football duets of all time.
Dortmund are considering Lukas Nmecha as Bellingham's replacement. However, as he is a Christian with dubious opinions on homosexuality and trans people, the Dortmund fans are strongly advocating against signing him. Among other things, he shared a post by Matt Walsh. The German national team said that they would talk to him about this. There is a discussion now going on about whether he can represent Germany as a player.
On June 21 2023 19:09 evilfatsh1t wrote: msn for me is the best front 3 ever. 2nd and 3rd place for me is a toss up between bale/benzema/cr7 and rooney/tevez/cr7. bbc would probably take 2nd based on trophy count but theres something about rooney/tevez/cr7 that just makes me think they were better.
funnily enough barca also has the best midfield 3 ever imo, being the obvious busquets/iniesta/xavi trio. rm easily takes 2nd with kroos/modric/casemiro. cant think of any other midfield 3 that competes against these two. then again, 3 in midfield has only been the trend for 1 generation of players.
For top 3 front I would definitely put Liverpools Salah, Mane, Firminho ahead of ManU.
salah, mane and firmino over rooney tevez cr7? yeah no way
But Liverpool peaked at an incredible level. The star was van Dijk, but these three put fear into the opposing teams. That team definitely deserves an all-time top-10 club team spot.
2011/12 Barça (73 Messi goals and the treble) is the obvious top choice. Triple CL-winning Real, 2015 Barça 2019/20Liverpool
Anything before 2008. My knowledge of the teams before 2010 is not that good, but I'm very interested in your rankings of the top 10 club teams of all time.
I think ManU and Milan are the obvious top spots for the 00s, Real Madrid had big names but weren't that succesful.
and City (either this season or the 100 points season) surely deserves a spot as well as 2013 Bayern.
All in all I'd say
10/11 Barca Triple CL-winning Real 2015 Barca 2012 Real (100 points, 126 goals) 2013 Bayern City (would rank both sides around the same) 2008 ManU 2007 Milan 19/20 Liverpool
On June 21 2023 19:09 evilfatsh1t wrote: msn for me is the best front 3 ever. 2nd and 3rd place for me is a toss up between bale/benzema/cr7 and rooney/tevez/cr7. bbc would probably take 2nd based on trophy count but theres something about rooney/tevez/cr7 that just makes me think they were better.
funnily enough barca also has the best midfield 3 ever imo, being the obvious busquets/iniesta/xavi trio. rm easily takes 2nd with kroos/modric/casemiro. cant think of any other midfield 3 that competes against these two. then again, 3 in midfield has only been the trend for 1 generation of players.
For top 3 front I would definitely put Liverpools Salah, Mane, Firminho ahead of ManU.
salah, mane and firmino over rooney tevez cr7? yeah no way
But Liverpool peaked at an incredible level. The star was van Dijk, but these three put fear into the opposing teams. That team definitely deserves an all-time top-10 club team spot.
2011/12 Barça (73 Messi goals and the treble) is the obvious top choice. Triple CL-winning Real, 2015 Barça 2019/20Liverpool
Anything before 2008. My knowledge of the teams before 2010 is not that good, but I'm very interested in your rankings of the top 10 club teams of all time.
I think ManU and Milan are the obvious top spots for the 00s, Real Madrid had big names but weren't that succesful.
and City (either this season or the 100 points season) surely deserves a spot as well as 2013 Bayern.
All in all I'd say
10/11 Barca Triple CL-winning Real 2015 Barca 2012 Real (100 points, 126 goals) 2013 Bayern City (would rank both sides around the same) 2008 ManU 2007 Milan 19/20 Liverpool
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