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Norway28695 Posts
6 non-penalty goals in 23 games isn't a bonkers number at all.
Jesus christ Norway though. Scotland basically created nothing for 86 minutes, and we had taken the lead (Haaland obv.). Everything fine and dandy really.
Then a huge individual defensive blunder happens and we concede 1-1. And then they get another goal two minutes later and what looked like a completely secure 1-0 win ends up being a 1-2 loss, and now, we actually are essentially eliminated from the EC. We prolly need 5 straight wins with very good goal difference, and then some positive results going out way, and then it'll be possible to advance ahead of Spain. I guess. Nations league is basically out only shot now.
Scotland looked good defensively while they were playing for a 0-0 draw, but overall I'm very unimpressed. This was all Norway squandering, not them being good. Not a great game by Norway by any means but I feel we were the better team here, too, at least for 86 minutes. (xG was 1.68 for Norway 0.47 for Scotland)
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Could also be mentioned that our manager apparently felt so confident in a victory that he made four subs from the 79th-84 minute, including both Haaland and Sørloth to preserve energy for the coming match against Cyprus.. Then some structure was lost, and our ability to get a second goal should Scotland equalize was obviously hampered.
Vs Spain he also made a quadruple sub after 74 minutes, followed by us losing command of the game and conceding two goals 10 minutes later. He openly regretted that move, wonder how he'll feel now.
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On June 18 2023 03:51 Liquid`Drone wrote:
6 non-penalty goals in 23 games isn't a bonkers number at all.
Jesus christ Norway though. Scotland basically created nothing for 86 minutes, and we had taken the lead (Haaland obv.). Everything fine and dandy really.
Then a huge individual defensive blunder happens and we concede 1-1. And then they get another goal two minutes later and what looked like a completely secure 1-0 win ends up being a 1-2 loss, and now, we actually are essentially eliminated from the EC. We prolly need 5 straight wins with very good goal difference, and then some positive results going out way, and then it'll be possible to advance ahead of Spain. I guess. Nations league is basically out only shot now.
Scotland looked good defensively while they were playing for a 0-0 draw, but overall I'm very unimpressed. This was all Norway squandering, not them being good. Not a great game by Norway by any means but I feel we were the better team here, too, at least for 86 minutes.
for Augsburg? yes it is bonkers number
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Norway28695 Posts
If you remove the penalties (and he missed one, so I think that's fair) then his goal per game average is worse than Ermedin Demirovic, who also plays for Augsburg. This is a guy who has 1 goal in 17 games playing for Bosnia Herzegovina, and who isn't a consistent starter there.
Like I'll easily admit that I have no idea how good Berisha is as I've never seen him play. Maybe he contributes a whole lot to the rest of the play. But 6 goals in 23 games is not a bonkers statistic for a striker, even if the team is Augsburg. It's at best mediocre.
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How did you calculate goal per game average to get Berisha being worse than Demirovic?
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Norway28695 Posts
Like I said not including penalties, because when a guy scores 3/4 penalties I think it's likely that Demirovic would've managed the same. And then it's 6 goals in 23 games which is marginally worse than 8 in 30.
To be fair though I didn't realize Demirovic actually had a penalty goal of his own, so he ends up only at 7/30, which is then worse than Berisha. That was a mistake by me and I apologize. It does nothing to change the overall point though - that scoring 6 non-penalty goals in 23 games is not particularly impressive for a striker, even when playing for a bottom-quarter team like Augsburg.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
What was that from Norway drone, had some nice money on Norway win and they played ok and probs deserved to be 1-0 going into final 10 minutes, then the coach takes 4 players off and you just collapse and lose awfully!! That looks like another qualifying campaign over?
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On June 18 2023 04:48 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Like I said not including penalties, because when a guy scores 3/4 penalties I think it's likely that Demirovic would've managed the same. And then it's 6 goals in 23 games which is marginally worse than 8 in 30.
To be fair though I didn't realize Demirovic actually had a penalty goal of his own, so he ends up only at 7/30, which is then worse than Berisha. That was a mistake by me and I apologize. It does nothing to change the overall point though - that scoring 6 non-penalty goals in 23 games is not particularly impressive for a striker, even when playing for a bottom-quarter team like Augsburg.
Hard to count it like that. En-Nesyri was 8 goals out of 31 games for Sevilla this season in the league (no clue how many penalties). At the same time, he was 6 out of 13 in the Europa League. And he is an important player for Morocco.
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On June 18 2023 05:14 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2023 04:48 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Like I said not including penalties, because when a guy scores 3/4 penalties I think it's likely that Demirovic would've managed the same. And then it's 6 goals in 23 games which is marginally worse than 8 in 30.
To be fair though I didn't realize Demirovic actually had a penalty goal of his own, so he ends up only at 7/30, which is then worse than Berisha. That was a mistake by me and I apologize. It does nothing to change the overall point though - that scoring 6 non-penalty goals in 23 games is not particularly impressive for a striker, even when playing for a bottom-quarter team like Augsburg. Hard to count it like that. En-Nesyri was 8 goals out of 31 games for Sevilla this season in the league (no clue how many penalties). At the same time, he was 6 out of 13 in the Europa League. And he is an important player for Morocco.
Like I said I'm not saying he's not a good player. I really have no idea. I'm just saying that the statistic 9 goals in 23 games where 3 out of 9 goals are penalties is a mediocre statistic for a striker, even if playing for Augsburg, not a bonkers one. He doesn't seem to be that wild of a striker elsewhere either - he had 5 goals in 23 games for Fenerbache, 1 goal in 13 games for Germany's U21, 5 goals in 18 games for LASK Linz, 16 in 39 for Red Bull Salzburg.. But maybe he's great. I'm just saying his goalscoring statistic isn't anything noteworthy at all.
And Pandemona I have no idea man. Since 2000, last tourney we qualified for, our teams have mostly been mediocre player for player, but whenever we've actually had a decent team or made a decent run, it's been ruined by individual mistakes, usually goalies making some huge howler or two. Now we have the by far best team we've had - player by player, it's better than the team that got #2 on the fifa ranking during the 90s, but then.. collapse right as scheduled. There was so much optimism going into this campaign, everyone been very happy about how we've played, people have accepted some poor results because the play has been alright (those poor results have usually coincided with Haaland being injured and then, a good showing with poor finishing is like, 'well we only lost cause Haaland was out').. And then today we actually play a very mediocre game - much worse than the one vs Spain where we lost 0-3, but we're up 1-0 and it's like, well fine we're not playing great but at least we're winning..
And then in 2 minutes suddenly we lose, too. People are calling for the manager's head. I hope not even though I initially questioned his choices, I think he's a really good manager and not to blame for our failures. Next game vs Cyprus is gonna be crucial for morale.
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Germany hasn't had a real striker since Klose. Ever since he retired, Germany has had huge problems against teams that park the bus. Against teams like Spain, that go for possession, too, Germany is much stronger.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On June 18 2023 05:40 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2023 05:14 Acrofales wrote:On June 18 2023 04:48 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Like I said not including penalties, because when a guy scores 3/4 penalties I think it's likely that Demirovic would've managed the same. And then it's 6 goals in 23 games which is marginally worse than 8 in 30.
To be fair though I didn't realize Demirovic actually had a penalty goal of his own, so he ends up only at 7/30, which is then worse than Berisha. That was a mistake by me and I apologize. It does nothing to change the overall point though - that scoring 6 non-penalty goals in 23 games is not particularly impressive for a striker, even when playing for a bottom-quarter team like Augsburg. Hard to count it like that. En-Nesyri was 8 goals out of 31 games for Sevilla this season in the league (no clue how many penalties). At the same time, he was 6 out of 13 in the Europa League. And he is an important player for Morocco. Like I said I'm not saying he's not a good player. I really have no idea. I'm just saying that the statistic 9 goals in 23 games where 3 out of 9 goals are penalties is a mediocre statistic for a striker, even if playing for Augsburg, not a bonkers one. He doesn't seem to be that wild of a striker elsewhere either - he had 5 goals in 23 games for Fenerbache, 1 goal in 13 games for Germany's U21, 5 goals in 18 games for LASK Linz, 16 in 39 for Red Bull Salzburg.. But maybe he's great. I'm just saying his goalscoring statistic isn't anything noteworthy at all. And Pandemona I have no idea man. Since 2000, last tourney we qualified for, our teams have mostly been mediocre player for player, but whenever we've actually had a decent team or made a decent run, it's been ruined by individual mistakes, usually goalies making some huge howler or two. Now we have the by far best team we've had - player by player, it's better than the team that got #2 on the fifa ranking during the 90s, but then.. collapse right as scheduled. There was so much optimism going into this campaign, everyone been very happy about how we've played, people have accepted some poor results because the play has been alright (those poor results have usually coincided with Haaland being injured and then, a good showing with poor finishing is like, 'well we only lost cause Haaland was out').. And then today we actually play a very mediocre game - much worse than the one vs Spain where we lost 0-3, but we're up 1-0 and it's like, well fine we're not playing great but at least we're winning.. And then in 2 minutes suddenly we lose, too. People are calling for the manager's head. I hope not even though I initially questioned his choices, I think he's a really good manager and not to blame for our failures. Next game vs Cyprus is gonna be crucial for morale.
Yeah think he doesn't utilize the players though, why is he playing Sorloth, Haaland and Solbaken as a front 3, surely your playing Sorloth and Haaland then pack the midfield behind them with wingbacks or u dont play Sorloth and play 2 wingers. Also Odegaard is so deep it feels he is never up alongside Haaland like he should be, he plays very advanced for Arsenal which i know is a different team with better players of course, but he is so much more dangerous when he gets the ball 30 yards from goal with runners around him or ability to pass off a striker. Crazy but this campaign now is surely over because of Scotland beating Spain as well? Well i guess you have to beat Spain at home and Scotland and hope that's enough because of the draw vs Georgia earlier on.
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Norway28695 Posts
Just hoping for nation's league now. Even winning the rest probably isn't enough.
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Is there a global shortage of strikers? It seems many teams are lacking one. Development of midfielders is enormous, maybe the focus on technical skill at youth level is breeding strikers out?
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probably more to do with how football has developed tactically at the elite level. the traditional 9 that doesnt get involved in build up is no longer favoured over a 9 that is somehow expected to be able to do both jobs or just be a false 9. also the 1 striker formations that are popular now make it more difficult for a single striker to be effective against 2 cbs, so naturally the importance of midfielders and wide forwards is bigger
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Yeah evolution of football has all but elimated strikers. But funnily enough every successful team of the past few years has/had a world class 9. So they are really important even in modern football
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On June 18 2023 19:14 sharkie wrote:
Yeah evolution of football has all but elimated strikers. But funnily enough every successful team of the past few years has/had a world class 9. So they are really important even in modern football
Tuchel's Chelsea is the exception, but they had issues with converting chances.
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Are the havertz to arsenal rumours true?
Seems like a bonkers move from Chelsea but i wouldnt put it past them
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
€80 million is on the table for him, Nkunku comes in to play in his number 10 position as he isn't a striker, seems to good to turn down. We bought him for similar money 3 years ago and his max return has been 10 goals.
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On June 18 2023 22:40 Pandemona wrote:
€80 million is on the table for him, Nkunku comes in to play in his number 10 position as he isn't a striker, seems to good to turn down. We bought him for similar money 3 years ago and his max return has been 10 goals.
You rate nkunku above havertz? if there is room for nkunku at 10 why isn't havertz being played there instead of the striker role?
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
From what i have seen i see Nkunku as a hazard like player and Kai needed to play off a striker, he got that chance with Lukaku and still rarely scored that season as well.
Kai is a good player without a position, he could potentially play as a 10 and maybe the Arsenal system will help him with the high 8 role he will play but im not sure. He also is struggling to find a position in the Germany set up as well.
Next season we are going with strikers and then Nkunku as 10. Kai isn't a striker so he would be competing for that spot with Nkunku so that why he might see himself not playing as much. He didn't play there before because we didn't have any striker and our silly coaches kept putting him there lol.
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