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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6972 Posts
June 12 2023 11:15 GMT
#2641
Player of the year award has to go to City this time. Between Haaland, KDB and Gündogan.

Ballon d'Or, unfortunately for them, was already voted for before CL final and I think Championship finals
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 12 2023 14:55 GMT
#2642
Will be interesting to see what the agreements were etc. Keep in mind Everton is in a shit ton of debt so perhaps they were still paying his original agreement of the contract and the remainder. Then it stopped?

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Hildegard
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Germany306 Posts
June 12 2023 15:02 GMT
#2643
From the stats alone Mbappé is the best player. His performance in the world cup final was sensational.

Also, only two more years with Pep at ManCity. Will be very interesting to see how they manage the transition to a new coach.

Pep Guardiola plans to end Manchester City stay in two years when deal expires. Manager will have spent nine years at City when deal finishes.
Pep Guardiola is firmly minded to leave Manchester City in two years when his contract expires. The manager, fresh from leading City to the treble, has all but decided that he will depart in summer 2025 and end his tenure after nine years.


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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18085 Posts
June 12 2023 15:56 GMT
#2644
On June 13 2023 00:02 Hildegard wrote:
From the stats alone Mbappé is the best player. His performance in the world cup final was sensational.

Also, only two more years with Pep at ManCity. Will be very interesting to see how they manage the transition to a new coach.

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Pep Guardiola plans to end Manchester City stay in two years when deal expires. Manager will have spent nine years at City when deal finishes.
Pep Guardiola is firmly minded to leave Manchester City in two years when his contract expires. The manager, fresh from leading City to the treble, has all but decided that he will depart in summer 2025 and end his tenure after nine years.


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Both Mbappe and Messi did nothing of note in club football. Also, Messi was sensational in the world cup too. Sure, he was supported by team mates who seemed to want to win the cup as much as he did, while Mbappe was left to do it basically all alone, but still... one of them WON the world cup for their team.

Funnily enough, the key players in club football were all irrelevant at the world cup. KDB was unable to rise above the pathetic level of the Belgian team. Gundogan was below average for a rather average Germany. Norway didn't qualify. Julian Alvarez was a good player for City AND for Argentina, but not the best and not the decider for either team.

That said, I'd rank Man City's treble above anything that happened at the world cup this season. Carrying a team to the world cup requires you to be brilliant for a few weeks. Winning the treble requires that level of play for months. Haaland or KDB deserve that recognition imho.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18481 Posts
June 12 2023 17:51 GMT
#2645
On June 13 2023 00:56 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 00:02 Hildegard wrote:
From the stats alone Mbappé is the best player. His performance in the world cup final was sensational.

Also, only two more years with Pep at ManCity. Will be very interesting to see how they manage the transition to a new coach.

Pep Guardiola plans to end Manchester City stay in two years when deal expires. Manager will have spent nine years at City when deal finishes.
Pep Guardiola is firmly minded to leave Manchester City in two years when his contract expires. The manager, fresh from leading City to the treble, has all but decided that he will depart in summer 2025 and end his tenure after nine years.


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Both Mbappe and Messi did nothing of note in club football. Also, Messi was sensational in the world cup too. Sure, he was supported by team mates who seemed to want to win the cup as much as he did, while Mbappe was left to do it basically all alone, but still... one of them WON the world cup for their team.

Funnily enough, the key players in club football were all irrelevant at the world cup. KDB was unable to rise above the pathetic level of the Belgian team. Gundogan was below average for a rather average Germany. Norway didn't qualify. Julian Alvarez was a good player for City AND for Argentina, but not the best and not the decider for either team.

That said, I'd rank Man City's treble above anything that happened at the world cup this season. Carrying a team to the world cup requires you to be brilliant for a few weeks. Winning the treble requires that level of play for months. Haaland or KDB deserve that recognition imho.


Gundogan wasnt average for Germany. They played their best football with him. Hansi Flick just subbed him out early all the time. Hansi Flick decided to go for his treble winning Bayern side and they disappointed him. That is not Gundogan's fault he was subbed
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-06-12 20:28:42
June 12 2023 20:26 GMT
#2646
Yeah definitely, Gündogan had a great game against japan, with the admittedly major asterisk that he (like several others) wasted way too many chances. I'm still not over Flick subbing him. For all the criticism Löw received past 2016, I struggle to decide if over his entire career as german coach, he did as much wrong as Flick did in these three games in qatar.

Maybe not subbing Klose who was constantly getting on the wrong side of a card-happy ref in the game against serbia in 2010 is comparable.

The difference of course being that subbing Gündogan doomed the entire world cup campaign, while not subbing Klose in the end only lost that partiular game, but didnt eliminate us. Though that was far from clear in that moment,
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4371 Posts
June 13 2023 08:18 GMT
#2647
If you want to go by best overall team results for both club and country then the Ballon d'Or winner should be Nicolas Otamendi
Sucker for nostalgia
Hildegard
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Germany306 Posts
June 13 2023 10:47 GMT
#2648
Mbappé decided not to renew at PSG. What a transfer window with Messi, Mbappé, Belingham and possibly Neymar. Do you think Real still wants to go for Mbappé?
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18085 Posts
June 13 2023 11:51 GMT
#2649
On June 13 2023 17:18 DropBear wrote:
If you want to go by best overall team results for both club and country then the Ballon d'Or winner should be Nicolas Otamendi

Hm, in that case consider Bounou or En-Nesyri
gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2584 Posts
June 13 2023 11:59 GMT
#2650
On June 13 2023 19:47 Hildegard wrote:
Mbappé decided not to renew at PSG. What a transfer window with Messi, Mbappé, Belingham and possibly Neymar. Do you think Real still wants to go for Mbappé?


Think so since Benzema is gone, they need someone anyway.
One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4231 Posts
June 13 2023 12:30 GMT
#2651
On June 13 2023 20:59 gTank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 19:47 Hildegard wrote:
Mbappé decided not to renew at PSG. What a transfer window with Messi, Mbappé, Belingham and possibly Neymar. Do you think Real still wants to go for Mbappé?


Think so since Benzema is gone, they need someone anyway.


yeah but not Mbappe....

They will need an elite striker but someone who would fit with their young developing core, not someone who thinks he is bigger than the club.
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6240 Posts
June 13 2023 12:40 GMT
#2652
Drone, do you have an idea why Knutsen did not take the Ajax job? Seemed like a perfect step upwards for him. Can play his own style of Football, win the league in NL a couple of times, compete in the CL, and then go to a top club. Speculation in the Dutch Media is that he gets a percentage of transfer transfer sales and Ajax is not willing to give him that.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28695 Posts
June 13 2023 13:05 GMT
#2653
Was just reading the bodø-glimt supporters forum and they're saying there wasn't even a meeting, just contact between Ajax and knutsens agent. From what I've heard he has said something really extreme has to be on the table for him to consider leaving them mid-season, and with the Norwegian season being out of sync from most of Europe (we have a winter break instead of summer break), it seems hard to avoid. More than anything I think he feels there's still more left for him to achieve in bodø, and that he is both extremely pleased with the team he has (player for player it is the best they've had) and that he basically has complete autonomy, something he most likely won't have in a big European club. I don't think money is his primary motivation, he has already turned down higher paying jobs.

That said I agree Ajax should've been a perfect fit, he is highly influenced by Rinus Michels and likes the total football approach, and developing youngsters is perhaps his most prominent ability.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25862 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-06-13 13:40:14
June 13 2023 13:22 GMT
#2654
It’s hard to see what more he can accomplish there, if he can push them on even further in Europe that’d be impressive indeed

Timing can be everything with some of these moves though, coming from a smaller league an initial failure can have you anointed as someone who can’t make the step up, so maybe something about Ajax put him off?

Wasn’t there quite a lot of politics and upheaval at board level the last few years?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6240 Posts
June 14 2023 13:26 GMT
#2655
On June 13 2023 22:05 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Was just reading the bodø-glimt supporters forum and they're saying there wasn't even a meeting, just contact between Ajax and knutsens agent. From what I've heard he has said something really extreme has to be on the table for him to consider leaving them mid-season, and with the Norwegian season being out of sync from most of Europe (we have a winter break instead of summer break), it seems hard to avoid. More than anything I think he feels there's still more left for him to achieve in bodø, and that he is both extremely pleased with the team he has (player for player it is the best they've had) and that he basically has complete autonomy, something he most likely won't have in a big European club. I don't think money is his primary motivation, he has already turned down higher paying jobs.

That said I agree Ajax should've been a perfect fit, he is highly influenced by Rinus Michels and likes the total football approach, and developing youngsters is perhaps his most prominent ability.

Thanks. I don't believe that he doesn't want to leave in the middle of the season but maybe I'm too cynical about the football world. The autonomy I can understand. Ajax would not give him control over transfer policy. Some influence but that's it.

On June 13 2023 22:22 WombaT wrote:
It’s hard to see what more he can accomplish there, if he can push them on even further in Europe that’d be impressive indeed

Timing can be everything with some of these moves though, coming from a smaller league an initial failure can have you anointed as someone who can’t make the step up, so maybe something about Ajax put him off?

Wasn’t there quite a lot of politics and upheaval at board level the last few years?

Last one and a half year yes. Marc Overmars was our sporting director and Van Der Sar our CEO. They made a very good couple and Ten Hag was a very good addition as coach. Ajax was really not good for more than a decade and they turned it around from the latter half of the 2010s. Around 18 months ago Overmars got fired because he sent dick picks to female colleagues at Ajax. We didn't get a proper replacement and the last transfer summer was a disaster including the new coach to replace Ten Hag. So this season was a mess where we ended third and got knocked in Europe very fast (which is a disaster season for Ajax). Van der Sar also got a lot of criticism and it's one of the reason he'll quit soon.

Having said that I think it's pretty much the best moment to step into Ajax. We're at a low point but Ajax has by far the biggest budget, expectations are relatively low, and the squad is still good enough to win the league with a good coach. Seeing what he did at Bodø Glimt I'm pretty sure he'd do very well at Ajax with this squad plus some extra reinforcements.
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4371 Posts
June 14 2023 13:54 GMT
#2656
Newcastle have apparently offered Karius a new contract. Bit of a surprise
Sucker for nostalgia
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
June 14 2023 16:53 GMT
#2657
Bellingham for 103M€ fixed and 30M€ potential bonuses from Dortmund to.Madrid
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2716 Posts
June 14 2023 18:17 GMT
#2658
Real Madrid midfield looking promising in the future. Bellingham, Valverde, Camavinga y Tchouameni, etc
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1973 Posts
June 14 2023 18:52 GMT
#2659
On June 15 2023 03:17 haitike wrote:
Real Madrid midfield looking promising in the future. Bellingham, Valverde, Camavinga y Tchouameni, etc

That's a pretty crazy combination of youth and talent for one midfield. Do they all fit into one midfield or are they clearly overlapping with each other?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-06-14 20:26:50
June 14 2023 20:26 GMT
#2660
Perhaps Beckham also needs to start cleaning house inside the Club as well. Major signings or not, and despite working on more big names. Maybe try to find a European coach...

For all the talk about Messi “and friends,” coming to Miami, at this point only one player can be considered likely to follow Messi to South Flordia: His longtime Barcelona teammate Sergio Busquets. Sources involved in discussions say a deal for the midfielder is not yet done, however.

Miami has been working on a potential Busquets deal for months as they hoped Messi would choose to sign with the club. Notably, the club left the No. 10 and No. 5 jerseys open this winter; Messi prefers the No. 10 shirt, Busquets the No. 5.

The initial hope was that Busquets joining Inter might actually be an incentive for Messi to come to MLS. Now, Messi has committed before any deal is done with Busquets, and the midfielder has a number of big-money offers on the table that are impacting negotiations.

Sources briefed on talks said they believe Miami hopes to sign Busquets to a contract of $1.65 million or less and thus won’t require using one of the club’s three designated player (DP) slots. But Miami has multiple avenues to open up DP slots if they need to use one on Busquets. The club has its one-time contract buyout, can transfer or trade another player out, or use salary cap mechanisms to move one DP off the designation.


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