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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
I think there are some parallels with Southgate here, England too have got a good pipeline going, he’s more of a manager with an interest in the whole structure, they’ve done some reforms to the whole organisation etc. Whereas previously somebody like Fabio Capello was very much exclusively the coach of the first team and that was it. I think they’ve a shot if they can maximise their talent and find a way of playing that makes the best use to it personnel. With the exception of France who have an absurd amount of talent I think England have the best overall squad out there. In the sense that they can bring at minimum a 7/10 player to every area of the field, and in the wide forwards area considerably better. Most other contenders have some area of the field they’re a bit less stacked in. Belgium still have most of their attacking talent intact, especially if Hazard can get back to sharpness, but since Kompany left the scene and Vertongen/Adiriweld have declined a bit, they’re lack a little at the back. Spain have their usual ridiculous midfield, they can look a bit toothless up top. Germany would love some of England’s options at fullback or a Kane. Argentina seemingly haven’t produced a real top quality fullback on either flank for a silly length of time. I don’t think I’d necessarily put England ahead of some of these teams, but I think their squad is more balanced. A Spain could still beat them purely on the strength of their midfield options and controlling the game there, for example. | ||
Pandemona
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justanothertownie
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On June 07 2022 05:08 Mafe wrote: Also let's not forget that Löw was already the assistant to Klinsmann and iirc was considered to be the "football brain" behind the 2006 team more so than Klinsmann anyway. And Flick is considered the football brain behind Löw 2014... I still think this wc was won more or less despite Löw rather than through him. Anyways, even if that wasn't true he should have gone far earlier than he did. Since the WC 2014 they were seriously under performing. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4437 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18761 Posts
On June 07 2022 05:02 mahrgell wrote: The lineup of the WC semi final 2006 under Klinsmann (technically, this wasn't the last game of Klinsmann, there was a 3rd place game afterwards, but obviously with a wonky lineup): Klose Podolski Borowski Ballack Kehl Schneider Lahm Mertesacker Metzelder Friedrich Lehmann The 2014 WC final lineup that won the WC: Özil Klose Müller Kroos Schweinsteiger Kramer Höwedes Boateng Hummels Lahm Neuer And btw, this 2006 lineup looks unimpressive as hell, like that midfield was basically only Ballack, and he had serious chemistry issues. And that defense was, while not awful, also nothing to write home about. And Lehmann is probably the weakest goalie out of all goalies Germany had in the last decades. 2006 was 100% carried by being a world cup on home soil and was the most important step for German football revolution imo. But this shows how important confidence is and its not just quality of players who decide matches Also its a shame how much hate Löw gets because of his final failed years. Even 2016 Germany was still strong and could have won Euro and Löw brought a lot of joy for Germans for many years. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7426 Posts
On June 07 2022 21:00 sharkie wrote: 2006 was 100% carried by being a world cup on home soil and was the most important step for German football revolution imo. But this shows how important confidence is and its not just quality of players who decide matches Also its a shame how much hate Löw gets because of his final failed years. Even 2016 Germany was still strong and could have won Euro and Löw brought a lot of joy for Germans for many years. Agreed! Yes Löw was stuck in his ways a bit too much and made too many promises but he still deserves a lot of credit for what he did with "Die Mannschaft" and German football in general. Germany for sure wasn't the only squad with loads of talent. Look at Belgium, Netherlands, England, | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28910 Posts
Southgate's England hasn't been the most entertaining, but their results - even accounting for lucky draws, have been very solid. Championships are every two years and feature bo1s between teams that are fairly evenly matched - it's rare to see a team have more than 25% chance at reaching the final at the start of a tournament. Brazil 2002 or one of the Spain champs mightve been there, otherwise there's usually some degree of luck involved at some point for most finalists. | ||
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gTank
Austria2669 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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gTank
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gTank
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On June 08 2022 06:00 gTank wrote: only 1:1 is def. not enough for both teams, how was the game? Mostly quite entertaining, could as well have been a 3:3. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On June 08 2022 19:43 gTank wrote: I find it interesting that a squad as talented as Englands (except Sterling, fuck that diving little shit) has no trophies and acomplishments but deserve them (like belgium too) and the coach doesnt get sacked. I mean, there were enough fuck-ups made by Southgate, wouldnt it be better to have a good coach take over? Its possibly too late now but still. It’s pretty hard to win these tournaments. They come along every 2 years, and there’s a whole bunch of equally if not more talented teams out there. If there was only one Code S every 2 years a bunch of players who have the talent would still miss out. The international game isn’t particularly attractive to top coaches, so most tend to be relatively middling. Your chance of snagging a real top coach is giving a young coach the national gig while they’re on the ascendancy, or giving a top manager the gig when they’re on the descent. The FA are legendarily risk averse so I can’t see them talking a punt on a talented young coach before they’re an established Prem manager, in which case they might not want to move sideways to international football. Capello and Ericsson from the latter category did worse than Southgate, despite being historically better coaches. Hodgson too. Ultimately some barriers have been breached, a first semi appearance in my memory, and a first final in my lifetime. Those were pretty memorable things, and I do think the cultural significance moving forwards of finally getting back to such stages is a bigger deal than some make out. Especially as at the World Cup the team went in with uncharacteristically low national expectations but were able to improve on that in the Euros once the usual hype train returned. The players also reportedly love the guy, but we may be approaching a time where it gets a bit stale. So I think regardless of how the WC goes Southgate should probably move on, let someone else build from the platform. Especially given this World Cup occurs mid-season, it may be a good time to try and get someone like Graham Potter, who would definitely be a tactical upgrade. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18761 Posts
On June 08 2022 23:54 plasmidghost wrote: We might be getting Gabriel Jesus from Man City soon! We desperately need someone like him to push us to CL I love your optimism but Gabriel Jesus will be such a fail purchase... He isnt world class, he wont get better - he will be like Lacazette | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
Ecuador is supposedly getting expelled from Qatar 2022 for falsification of Byron Castillo documents (He is colombian and never got the Ecuatorian nationality) Who knows, the trail reslts are giving this friday, but Giralt Pablo is pretty big argentinian jorunalist | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On June 09 2022 00:42 sharkie wrote: I love your optimism but Gabriel Jesus will be such a fail purchase... He isnt world class, he wont get better - he will be like Lacazette He’s a very decent player, maybe not good enough to be a regular starter for Man City but few are. He’s a decent finisher, he works bloody hard and he’s versatile him. He’s only 25, provided Arsenal don’t spend silly money on him it could be a good move. He’s both young enough to improve further, plus there’s the change to be more a main man that might see him blossom too. Arsenal are a Europa League/pushing for the CL level kind of team that’s also very young, someone like Jesus seems exactly the kind of player they should be in for One thing that might count against is he’s not big and strong, I wonder if Arsenal might benefit more from a Giroud style player as a focal point who can hold it up and play in their talented wide forwards and dual number 10s. | ||
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