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On June 06 2022 03:07 Bacillus wrote:
These single tie knockout matches for world cup are super brutal. I guess the point was already made when Italy got knocked out by North Macedonia, but the recent results really reminded me of the tournament structure.
I guess the other alternative would be even more games with strained players though, so this might be the lesser evil.
Agreed, but in the greater picture, either team has had multiple chances during the group stage to avoid letting it get to this point.
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Norway28733 Posts
Norway with another strong away win and two more Haaland goals. Bright future. 🌞
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Fucking Christ we suck. The USMNT is going to chewed on and spit out in Qatar.
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51515 Posts
feels like USMNT has the same problem with the english team, talent but incompetent coaching. can't wait for the two to clash later this year.
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On June 06 2022 10:49 GTR wrote:
feels like USMNT has the same problem with the english team, talent but incompetent coaching. can't wait for the two to clash later this year.
Seems a little unfair on Southgate, I mean a WC semi and a Euros final isn’t bad, especially in comparison with what’s been delivered before.
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messi scored 5 against estonia today. its only estonia but still nice to know messi is capable of banging in goals when the team plays for him.
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On June 06 2022 11:45 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2022 10:49 GTR wrote:
feels like USMNT has the same problem with the english team, talent but incompetent coaching. can't wait for the two to clash later this year. Seems a little unfair on Southgate, I mean a WC semi and a Euros final isn’t bad, especially in comparison with what’s been delivered before.
But with the talent England has, who did they beat that they were not expected to beat in those tournaments? The 2-0 win over Germany was a good performance but otherwise I cannot think of a match where England looked as good as those players should.
A team with those attacking options should not be struggling to score. That is on Southgate and his ultra-safe approach, which is a weird tactical decision when you cannot rely on those defenders to not do something dumb.
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On June 06 2022 16:13 Melliflue wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2022 11:45 WombaT wrote:On June 06 2022 10:49 GTR wrote:
feels like USMNT has the same problem with the english team, talent but incompetent coaching. can't wait for the two to clash later this year. Seems a little unfair on Southgate, I mean a WC semi and a Euros final isn’t bad, especially in comparison with what’s been delivered before. But with the talent England has, who did they beat that they were not expected to beat in those tournaments? + Show Spoiler +The 2-0 win over Germany was a good performance but otherwise I cannot think of a match where England looked as good as those players should.
A team with those attacking options should not be struggling to score. That is on Southgate and his ultra-safe approach, which is a weird tactical decision when you cannot rely on those defenders to not do something dumb.
Excluding Germany: Croatia for sure, probably Denmark, possibly also Sweden and Colombia (if you count a win on penalties as a win). If the danish team in particular look to me as if they could be the new belgium, i.e. perennial dark horses that everyone know about.
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On June 06 2022 16:43 Mafe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2022 16:13 Melliflue wrote:On June 06 2022 11:45 WombaT wrote:On June 06 2022 10:49 GTR wrote:
feels like USMNT has the same problem with the english team, talent but incompetent coaching. can't wait for the two to clash later this year. Seems a little unfair on Southgate, I mean a WC semi and a Euros final isn’t bad, especially in comparison with what’s been delivered before. But with the talent England has, who did they beat that they were not expected to beat in those tournaments? + Show Spoiler +The 2-0 win over Germany was a good performance but otherwise I cannot think of a match where England looked as good as those players should.
A team with those attacking options should not be struggling to score. That is on Southgate and his ultra-safe approach, which is a weird tactical decision when you cannot rely on those defenders to not do something dumb. Excluding Germany: Croatia for sure, probably Denmark, possibly also Sweden and Colombia (if you count a win on penalties as a win). If the danish team in particular look to me as if they could be the new belgium, i.e. perennial dark horses that everyone know about.
OK, but that Germany team was shit and except for Croatia who are also not at their Zenit anymore the other ones are second tier teams. England had extremely easy fixtures in both tournaments.
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Just for clarification: Which outstanding talent does England have so any competent manager should stomp every other team into the ground with their player pool?
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51515 Posts
gavi is incredible, age 17, starting for spain and scoring goals already.
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On June 06 2022 17:19 mahrgell wrote:
Just for clarification: Which outstanding talent does England have so any competent manager should stomp every other team into the ground with their player pool?
Easy.
Maguire
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On June 06 2022 19:46 Kotreb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2022 17:19 mahrgell wrote:
Just for clarification: Which outstanding talent does England have so any competent manager should stomp every other team into the ground with their player pool?
Easy. Maguire
Exactly.
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On June 06 2022 17:19 mahrgell wrote:
Just for clarification: Which outstanding talent does England have so any competent manager should stomp every other team into the ground with their player pool?
I don't think England should stomp every other team into the ground. I was arguing that making a WC semi and Euro final is not as impressive when their opponents are taken into consideration (especially that World Cup run). In the Euros: Denmark are good but that match went to extra-time, it wasn't a good win. I said the 2-0 over Germany was a good performance and result (although Germany wasted a couple of good chances).
I do believe England has a lot of attacking potential and Southgate has never looked like he knows how to get the best from it. Off the top of my head, Southgate has had Kane, Foden, Sterling, Sancho (when he was with Dortmund particularly), Saka, Abraham (this season), Grealish, ... , and yet England struggle to create chances. In the Euros group stage I think England managed 6 shots on target in 3 games.
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
I don’t think coaches get enough time to drill their teams to maximise their talent
It’s easier to set up to be solid first, and hope talent finds a way. Southgate isn’t alone in this, even Deschaumps is very cautious considering the tools the French have. Portugal have taken their first major honour but been quite negative.
There’s, amongst supposed top tier sides been only one real exception to this, Spain, where the skeleton of how that team played was just getting players to do what they do for their clubs and already were drilled in doing.
Some ‘smaller’ sides have been more ambitious, but I think part of that is a lack of expectation that gives the coach more room to build.
Also there is the expectation that England come to every single tournament, and many, many sides have wilted under before. I’d concede that those runs, more so the WC one weren’t all that impressive opponent wise, but they did include having to break down many mental barriers.
In all those respects Southgate’s done very well, but he’s certainly not above criticism.
There’s building a solid base to get results initially, and there is being over-cautious. England have that platform set up and need things like a more ambitious plan B/C etc, and in that respect Southgate’s being a bit lacking. I thought using the nation’s league was the ideal time to test some of that out but didn’t really see it against Hungary
Although all that being said looking at the results thus far, and some of the games in the NL it seems that a lot of players, especially those involved in the business end of the PL/Champions League look pretty knackered
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
You silly people will regret this when it COMES HOME finally at the end of the year!
Southgate is literally our Low and has inherited a very good and hungry side which should take him over the line in Qatar this time!
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On June 07 2022 03:34 Pandemona wrote:
You silly people will regret this when it COMES HOME finally at the end of the year!
Southgate is literally our Low and has inherited a very good and hungry side which should take him over the line in Qatar this time!
Eh. He's more like 2020 Low than 2014...
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Haha yeah of course, but for me Low is not a Mourinho/Klopp/Ferguson really good coach he is just an ok coach who inherited beasts and won a world cup.
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Löw didnt inherit anything...
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The lineup of the WC semi final 2006 under Klinsmann (technically, this wasn't the last game of Klinsmann, there was a 3rd place game afterwards, but obviously with a wonky lineup):
Klose Podolski
Borowski Ballack Kehl Schneider
Lahm Mertesacker Metzelder Friedrich
Lehmann
The 2014 WC final lineup that won the WC:
Özil Klose Müller
Kroos Schweinsteiger Kramer
Höwedes Boateng Hummels Lahm
Neuer
And btw, this 2006 lineup looks unimpressive as hell, like that midfield was basically only Ballack, and he had serious chemistry issues. And that defense was, while not awful, also nothing to write home about. And Lehmann is probably the weakest goalie out of all goalies Germany had in the last decades.
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