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Pandemona
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On April 22 2022 00:43 plasmidghost wrote: I'd love to see the two of them get into football, even if it is for Chelsea Problem is...Lewis is a foooking Arsenal fan xd | ||
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On April 22 2022 02:29 evilfatsh1t wrote: maguire has been dog shit this season and is rightly being criticised for his performances. im not even exaggerating when i say hes made an error in at least 90% of goals we concede. sure the goals we concede may be the result of multiple instances of players making errors, but there is always a maguire error. thats what united fans are so pissed about. in a team thats already shaky defensively, the captain is the one who makes the most mistakes leading to goals. also the nature of the mistakes are different too. when you see the midfielders not doing their job, its usually due to something like lack of work ethic and they get criticised for that. but its something that you know is fixable, its just up to the player. with maguire, his mistakes have nothing to do with how hard he tries; hes just bad at defending. ive lost count this season alone how many goals hes caused by pressing someone like an idiot and leaving space behind him, or how he makes a really shit simple pass to another defender or de gea and it allows an opportunity for the opponent to pile pressure. both of these happened in the liverpool game, and its been happening all season. the worst part is he clearly doesnt learn from his mistakes and i dont think he even has the humility to admit that hes making them. there was an interview he did a day before the liverpool game that absolutely shocked me. the shamelessness and lack of self awareness was unbelievable. based on this seasons performances hes the worst defender ive ever seen in a united shirt and hands down the worst captain united ever had. he should have lost his captaincy after the greece incident. honestly the worst captain in the history of the club. | ||
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WombaT
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On April 22 2022 02:29 evilfatsh1t wrote: maguire has been dog shit this season and is rightly being criticised for his performances. im not even exaggerating when i say hes made an error in at least 90% of goals we concede. sure the goals we concede may be the result of multiple instances of players making errors, but there is always a maguire error. thats what united fans are so pissed about. in a team thats already shaky defensively, the captain is the one who makes the most mistakes leading to goals. also the nature of the mistakes are different too. when you see the midfielders not doing their job, its usually due to something like lack of work ethic and they get criticised for that. but its something that you know is fixable, its just up to the player. with maguire, his mistakes have nothing to do with how hard he tries; hes just bad at defending. ive lost count this season alone how many goals hes caused by pressing someone like an idiot and leaving space behind him, or how he makes a really shit simple pass to another defender or de gea and it allows an opportunity for the opponent to pile pressure. both of these happened in the liverpool game, and its been happening all season. the worst part is he clearly doesnt learn from his mistakes and i dont think he even has the humility to admit that hes making them. there was an interview he did a day before the liverpool game that absolutely shocked me. the shamelessness and lack of self awareness was unbelievable. based on this seasons performances hes the worst defender ive ever seen in a united shirt and hands down the worst captain united ever had. I think Maguire himself knows he’s playing badly, he’s hardly going to come out and say it. The guy’s confidence is clearly absolutely shot, but he’s the captain and cost 80 million so he’s continually put out despite clearly being woefully out of form. Being a punching bag and a subject of innumerable memes isn’t going to make the guy play better. If Ten Haag can actually work some magic and produce a functional team Maguire can still be an asset. It’s not like Varane’s been great for United either, and he’s only a World Cup and Champion’s League winner. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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On April 22 2022 09:16 WombaT wrote: I think Maguire himself knows he’s playing badly, he’s hardly going to come out and say it. The guy’s confidence is clearly absolutely shot, but he’s the captain and cost 80 million so he’s continually put out despite clearly being woefully out of form. Being a punching bag and a subject of innumerable memes isn’t going to make the guy play better. If Ten Haag can actually work some magic and produce a functional team Maguire can still be an asset. It’s not like Varane’s been great for United either, and he’s only a World Cup and Champion’s League winner. him becoming a meme and taking such heavy criticism is of his own making. he takes no responsibility for his shit performances. if he openly said "yeah my personal performances have been dog shit all season and i have to do better", people would at least respect that he knows where the problem is. instead, on the rare occasion he does do an interview despite being the captain, its always "we arent scoring enough goals. we were too poor defensively. etc etc". hes the sole common denominator in most of our goals conceded but its never his problem. you cant blame team shape and organisation all the time when its one individual deciding to do something stupid in defense such as leaving the defensive line to press someone in the middle of the park, despite knowing fully well that he doesnt have the ability to recover. its not like he has a good track record of successfully intercepting balls from his press either. and then he comes out with an interview the day before he makes 2 mistakes against liverpool that directly leads to goals and he says "theres a reason why 2 managers have chosen me to start in every game. there are things that im doing right". thats a depressing amount of shamelessness and delusion. instead of owning up to his faults hes essentially telling critics to fuck off because managers continue to pick him and he believes its because hes good enough, not that hes a fucking english 80million pound failure that cant be dropped because dropping the captain would destroy him even more, on top of the further humiliation the glazers would have to face for allowing the transfer and captaincy appointment to begin with. what the fans want is some humility from the players. no one expected a trophy this season. fans arent mad at united for losing to liverpool, theyre mad because of the fashion in which united lost. the players do not give a shit and not a single one of them is humble enough to understand that they have to be critical of themselves and put in a shift. instead, the rest of the team aside, we have a captain with an inferiority complex whos completely out of his depth both in leadership and ability, and the worst part about it is that this captain wont even admit it. in my opinion i think maguire will leave this summer. his captaincy has been a complete disaster and he has completely lost the backing of the fans. to top it off with ten hag coming in, i dont see a place for maguire in ten hags system anyway. maguire is the least suited cb we have to playing a high line. hes literally last behind varane, lindelof, jones and bailly in terms of suitability for the cb position. he either leaves this summer to start fresh at a new club without the burden of playing for manchester united or the burden of captaincy and tries to salvage his reputation, or he stays to find himself stripped of captaincy next season and is sitting on the bench because his best performances come for teams that sit deeper and press far less. its possible no one wishes to buy him due to wages and price, but staying another season at united imo is only going to make his career go further downhill. you cant salvage your reputation when the captaincy is stripped from you, not passed onto a successor, and youre not even playing regularly anymore. | ||
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On April 22 2022 19:04 Kotreb wrote: I have faith in ten Hag, but his style of play is in direct conflict with the way of play where Maguire can be useful/good. And I doubt ten Hag will change his whole philosophy just for one player who, at his best, is just a good player. I so hope he implements his style of play and gets rid of Maguire. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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On April 22 2022 18:50 sharkie wrote: Why would Maguire ever want to leave manutd? Thats his high point in his career and if ten haag is half as good as klopp and pep he will make manutd great again with maguire being captain maguire has a lot of incentive to leave. can you imagine how miserable his life would be right now? hes in a complete no win situation because hes not good enough to redeem himself. he either stays and remains a figure that is more hated and ridiculed than phil jones ever was, or he leaves and moves on with life. i dont think hell be able to win fans back on the pitch and i severely doubt he would believe he could do so as well. when the end of the season comes and his confidence and reputation is so damaged, its going to take van dijk levels of performance to show hes good enough. its going to be a real test of character for him this summer and im leaning towards him taking an exit if the opportunity presents itself. i may be wrong but if im going to be wrong then i think we would have seen an indication of that already. as for ten hag, if ten hags gonna be even half as good as klopp or pep, its not gonna be by him taking shit from the glazers or the board about how to manage his players. in liverpool and man city, no one could dare to say to either klopp or pep about how the players are to be managed. thats how it should be with ten hag too. if i see that ten hag has got a sack and actually cuts maguire out, ill have hope for the future. if he succumbs to the same pressure as ole and rangnick and fails to cut loose a player that has by now clearly proved hes not man utd quality, then this club will just be repeating the same mistakes. to be fair to rangnick, im not even sure hes swayed by board pressure on maguire (if there is any). as an interim manager he probably just didnt think it was worth completely destroying the captains confidence and further ruining team morale. what ultimately happens to the team and the players are decisions that are best left to the next permanent manager. then again, maybe the team might have actually welcomed it and played better. who knows | ||
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WombaT
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I also don’t think he can play his way back, short of becoming Paolo Maldini. And he doesn’t seem suitable to how Ten Haag is likely to want to play. Once you become such a meme figure it’s hard to see how you turn that around. I just have a bit of sympathy for him on a personal level, he’s got a ridiculous price tag on his head, the captaincy of a club that’s dysfunctional top to bottom, and seemingly no coach willing to take him out of the firing line so he can build his confidence back. A move to Spurs, even just on loan might make sense. He could build up his confidence, not drop too far in terms of ‘big club’ prestige and also build his market value back up. Conte’s a bloody good coach and his system not only masks Maguire’s deficiencies, but also could amplify what he’s actually good at. Newcastle prior to the January window I could have seen as a potential destination, but they seem to be recruiting more sensibly than I anticipated. I’m not seeing many places he’s either a good fit, or can come close to affording him. | ||
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sharkie
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This is 2022, most players care shit about legacy or what fans think of them. It's all about the money, evilfatsh1t... I totally get what you mean but if he actually cared about all that stuff he would actually acknowledge his bad performance | ||
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WombaT
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On April 23 2022 01:11 sharkie wrote: Maguire is 29, his contract runs till 2025 - him leaving would put him in some mid table club with no prospects of ever going back to a high tier club ever again. No way is he going to leave. He would be stupid to do that. If ten hag ignores him he should just pull a Bale and enjoy life while being paid. This is 2022, most players care shit about legacy or what fans think of them. It's all about the money, evilfatsh1t... I totally get what you mean but if he actually cared about all that stuff he would actually acknowledge his bad performance Money is nice, there are definitely some players where it’s just a job. Ultimately most got through the incredibly high hurdles to play at this level of professional football on dreams and pursuing them. If Maguire wants to play for England moving forwards he’s not going to do that if he’s rotting in United’s reserves. Which I think is something he’ll have to factor in. | ||
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