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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On April 20 2022 08:17 GTR wrote:
given how thiago completely bossed us around makes me think of when we could have signed him all those years ago only for us to get fellaini, a washed schweinsteiger and morgan schneiderlin
Not just you, i had this discussion again at work. This guy rans Bayern's midfield for Pep. Pep then left Bayern to go to City who needed this kind of player instead they choose Rodri which at that point made me think that there is something wrong with Thiago and Pep himself didn't think he could transfer over to Premier league which was right up until like 6 months ago and Thiago has now adapted to the league and isn't a physical wreck anymore.
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Thiago is a very good player but he is nothing at liverpool without fabinho...
And also at bayern he was just a lesser replacement for Kroos and Schweinsteiger who were a godly duo
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On April 21 2022 02:41 Kotreb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2022 22:41 DropBear wrote:On April 20 2022 22:23 gTank wrote:
Did someone watch the game? Is Maguire as bad as everyone is joking or is that exaggerated? He wasn't that bad. Wasn't great. Considering how atrocious United's midfield was, how little possession they had, how anonymous their forwards were and how Thiago just ran the show, the defence did a fair job at holding up under the circumstances. I wouldn't say he was a big reason they lost. He wasn't able to lead from the front to rescue things either though. The first goal was partially his fault because he stepped out of the defensive line to press and left a gap but Pogba got injured just before and Maguire was trying to cover for him. The second goal was beautiful, most teams would have conceded. Goal 3 was Lindelof's fault and goal 4 was Hannibal's fault. This is just this game. You can find such examples in every United game where he costs the team points, be it in a form of injuring his teammates, making bone headed moves, or just scoring own goals. He is out of his depth, and the sooner he realizes that the better for him and the club.
Yeah, this is the feel I'm also getting. I think he must understand the issues himself, but there's not much else he can do except try to hang on and do his best.
I guess there's some similarity to Pogba. Both can shine on specific systems, but both are also sort of liabilities when the system isn't favorable or when the whole machine isn't running well. You need someone else around them to organize and cover for them and let them play a role suited for their strengths.
I don't know how ManU should handle the current situation. It really feels like Maguire is built for a defensive system that no top 6 PL team is ever going to play and now his salary is high enough that no smaller club is likely to afford him.
Edit: I guess ManU's options are mostly to try to play some 3 CB system or stronger defensive midfield to give him some extra cover. Or cut the losses and have him as a rotation/backup, but they're probably busy enough on the transfer window even without additional world class CB as a target.
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On April 21 2022 03:34 Bacillus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2022 02:41 Kotreb wrote:On April 20 2022 22:41 DropBear wrote:On April 20 2022 22:23 gTank wrote:
Did someone watch the game? Is Maguire as bad as everyone is joking or is that exaggerated? He wasn't that bad. Wasn't great. Considering how atrocious United's midfield was, how little possession they had, how anonymous their forwards were and how Thiago just ran the show, the defence did a fair job at holding up under the circumstances. I wouldn't say he was a big reason they lost. He wasn't able to lead from the front to rescue things either though. The first goal was partially his fault because he stepped out of the defensive line to press and left a gap but Pogba got injured just before and Maguire was trying to cover for him. The second goal was beautiful, most teams would have conceded. Goal 3 was Lindelof's fault and goal 4 was Hannibal's fault. This is just this game. You can find such examples in every United game where he costs the team points, be it in a form of injuring his teammates, making bone headed moves, or just scoring own goals. He is out of his depth, and the sooner he realizes that the better for him and the club. Yeah, this is the feel I'm also getting. I think he must understand the issues himself, but there's not much else he can do except try to hang on and do his best. I guess there's some similarity to Pogba. Both can shine on specific systems, but both are also sort of liabilities when the system isn't favorable or when the whole machine isn't running well. You need someone else around them to organize and cover for them and let them play a role suited for their strengths. I don't know how ManU should handle the current situation. It really feels like Maguire is built for a defensive system that no top 6 PL team is ever going to play and now his salary is high enough that no smaller club is likely to afford him. Edit: I guess ManU's options are mostly to try to play some 3 CB system or stronger defensive midfield to give him some extra cover. Or cut the losses and have him as a rotation/backup, but they're probably busy enough on the transfer window even without additional world class CB as a target.
I agree. He was good when we played counter-attacking football, thinks he's suited for that style. This possession style football isn't his forte.
He is not helping his case when he makes remarks like "oh, the attackers didn't score" and such. He constantly deflects the blame and throws teammates under the bus. If he just said "I'm sorry guys, I played poorly and I'll work on my game" I think he wouldn't get even the half criticism he gets now. But when you see your captain acts this way (especially considering past United captains were the likes of Cantona, Keane, Vidić, Rooney etc) it really brings the animosity of the fans out.
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On April 21 2022 04:04 Kotreb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2022 03:34 Bacillus wrote:On April 21 2022 02:41 Kotreb wrote:On April 20 2022 22:41 DropBear wrote:On April 20 2022 22:23 gTank wrote:
Did someone watch the game? Is Maguire as bad as everyone is joking or is that exaggerated? He wasn't that bad. Wasn't great. Considering how atrocious United's midfield was, how little possession they had, how anonymous their forwards were and how Thiago just ran the show, the defence did a fair job at holding up under the circumstances. I wouldn't say he was a big reason they lost. He wasn't able to lead from the front to rescue things either though. The first goal was partially his fault because he stepped out of the defensive line to press and left a gap but Pogba got injured just before and Maguire was trying to cover for him. The second goal was beautiful, most teams would have conceded. Goal 3 was Lindelof's fault and goal 4 was Hannibal's fault. This is just this game. You can find such examples in every United game where he costs the team points, be it in a form of injuring his teammates, making bone headed moves, or just scoring own goals. He is out of his depth, and the sooner he realizes that the better for him and the club. Yeah, this is the feel I'm also getting. I think he must understand the issues himself, but there's not much else he can do except try to hang on and do his best. I guess there's some similarity to Pogba. Both can shine on specific systems, but both are also sort of liabilities when the system isn't favorable or when the whole machine isn't running well. You need someone else around them to organize and cover for them and let them play a role suited for their strengths. I don't know how ManU should handle the current situation. It really feels like Maguire is built for a defensive system that no top 6 PL team is ever going to play and now his salary is high enough that no smaller club is likely to afford him. Edit: I guess ManU's options are mostly to try to play some 3 CB system or stronger defensive midfield to give him some extra cover. Or cut the losses and have him as a rotation/backup, but they're probably busy enough on the transfer window even without additional world class CB as a target. I agree. He was good when we played counter-attacking football, thinks he's suited for that style. This possession style football isn't his forte. He is not helping his case when he makes remarks like "oh, the attackers didn't score" and such. He constantly deflects the blame and throws teammates under the bus. If he just said "I'm sorry guys, I played poorly and I'll work on my game" I think he wouldn't get even the half criticism he gets now. But when you see your captain acts this way (especially considering past United captains were the likes of Cantona, Keane, Vidić, Rooney etc) it really brings the animosity of the fans out.
Yeah, it feels like a mixed bag of things.
It's not his fault getting targeted by United's transfer and being played in an unsuitable system, but he could also handle the media game much better. I guess he's getting compensated quite alright as long as he can somehow stay sane and avoid becoming a complete mental wreck.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Wow Chelsea have work to do, so abysmal when Lofty is in a midfield role and counter attacking teams sit deep vs him. Kante is literally trying to mop up the whole pitch cuz he just isn't there. Our back 3 should have Christensen as the key defender with experience and he is the worst defender on the pitch which says everything with Holding and White on it!
Tuchel needs to change things and thankfully Arsenal are just as bad lol so its 2-2.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah thats embarrassing, how the penalty stand just sums up the game as well fucking joke. Tuchel got everything very wrong again, rotates for 3rd home game in a row vs Arsenal and loses for 3rd time haha hilarious.
Gotta beat West Ham now to secure that top 4 spot which is stupid. What on earth is going on, stop picking players who clearly are shite and don't want to be there anymore.
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On April 21 2022 04:35 Bacillus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2022 04:04 Kotreb wrote:On April 21 2022 03:34 Bacillus wrote:On April 21 2022 02:41 Kotreb wrote:On April 20 2022 22:41 DropBear wrote:On April 20 2022 22:23 gTank wrote:
Did someone watch the game? Is Maguire as bad as everyone is joking or is that exaggerated? He wasn't that bad. Wasn't great. Considering how atrocious United's midfield was, how little possession they had, how anonymous their forwards were and how Thiago just ran the show, the defence did a fair job at holding up under the circumstances. I wouldn't say he was a big reason they lost. He wasn't able to lead from the front to rescue things either though. The first goal was partially his fault because he stepped out of the defensive line to press and left a gap but Pogba got injured just before and Maguire was trying to cover for him. The second goal was beautiful, most teams would have conceded. Goal 3 was Lindelof's fault and goal 4 was Hannibal's fault. This is just this game. You can find such examples in every United game where he costs the team points, be it in a form of injuring his teammates, making bone headed moves, or just scoring own goals. He is out of his depth, and the sooner he realizes that the better for him and the club. Yeah, this is the feel I'm also getting. I think he must understand the issues himself, but there's not much else he can do except try to hang on and do his best. I guess there's some similarity to Pogba. Both can shine on specific systems, but both are also sort of liabilities when the system isn't favorable or when the whole machine isn't running well. You need someone else around them to organize and cover for them and let them play a role suited for their strengths. I don't know how ManU should handle the current situation. It really feels like Maguire is built for a defensive system that no top 6 PL team is ever going to play and now his salary is high enough that no smaller club is likely to afford him. Edit: I guess ManU's options are mostly to try to play some 3 CB system or stronger defensive midfield to give him some extra cover. Or cut the losses and have him as a rotation/backup, but they're probably busy enough on the transfer window even without additional world class CB as a target. I agree. He was good when we played counter-attacking football, thinks he's suited for that style. This possession style football isn't his forte. He is not helping his case when he makes remarks like "oh, the attackers didn't score" and such. He constantly deflects the blame and throws teammates under the bus. If he just said "I'm sorry guys, I played poorly and I'll work on my game" I think he wouldn't get even the half criticism he gets now. But when you see your captain acts this way (especially considering past United captains were the likes of Cantona, Keane, Vidić, Rooney etc) it really brings the animosity of the fans out. Yeah, it feels like a mixed bag of things. It's not his fault getting targeted by United's transfer and being played in an unsuitable system, but he could also handle the media game much better. I guess he's getting compensated quite alright as long as he can somehow stay sane and avoid becoming a complete mental wreck.
True.
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Maguire’s not been good but I think the team’s general dysfunction doesn’t help. Him being captain doesn’t help and his price tag doesn’t help.
The fans don’t help either, even if a goal isn’t entirely his fault and due to a team shape problem, or other players out of position invariably Maguire gets the blame. However he actually plays he gets a -2 on his rating. A 6 out of 10 reasonably solid effort is a 4, and a bad performance is an unmitigated disaster.
Shades of Xhaka really, aside from anything else Maguire seems to have a certain degree of pride but his confidence is shot and rather than keep his head down and play solidly he’s trying to prove people wrong, and making terrible errors on the ball trying to be Franz Beckenbauer.
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Admittedly I haven't seen much of him for United this year, but I think he's been excellent playing for England, in particular with regards to his ability to block crosses and win aerial duels. I think he was one of the best defenders of the EC last summer.
But when he takes the role of defensive playmaker or whatever, he falls laughably short. Basically feeling like he'd do reasonably well for a Mourinho-style team and extremely poorly in a more total football/pep style. United not having much of an identity does not serve him well.
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On April 21 2022 19:50 GTR wrote:
Manchester is now Bald.
Finally. Just need to give ten Hag time and patience. Need to judge him after his third year, not after a couple of months. By the general atmosphere it feels like most of the fans understand this and I think he'll do good here. Especially in partnership with Ragnick.
Personally would be delighted just to see progress in play after a year, similar to Klopp's improvements on Liverpool squad. Not interested in immediate results, just want to see the team play better.
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Formula 1 racing driver Lewis Hamilton and Tennis star Serena Williams have both agreed to invest about 10 million pounds ($13.1 million) each in a bid for Chelsea Football Club, Sky News reported on Thursday.
The sports stars will join a bid led by former British Airways chairman Martin Broughton, which also includes Canada’s Rogers family, Centaurus Capital LP founder John Arnold, and Taiwan’s Tsai family.
Hamilton would likely play a role in promoting Chelsea’s diversity, equity and inclusion if the bid is successful, according to the Sky report.
A spokesperson for the Broughton consortium declined to comment to Sky News. Bids for the club are currently being considered by Chelsea’s advisers, before a preferred bidder is proposed to the government.
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On April 21 2022 19:00 WombaT wrote:
Maguire’s not been good but I think the team’s general dysfunction doesn’t help. Him being captain doesn’t help and his price tag doesn’t help.
The fans don’t help either, even if a goal isn’t entirely his fault and due to a team shape problem, or other players out of position invariably Maguire gets the blame. However he actually plays he gets a -2 on his rating. A 6 out of 10 reasonably solid effort is a 4, and a bad performance is an unmitigated disaster.
Shades of Xhaka really, aside from anything else Maguire seems to have a certain degree of pride but his confidence is shot and rather than keep his head down and play solidly he’s trying to prove people wrong, and making terrible errors on the ball trying to be Franz Beckenbauer.
maguire has been dog shit this season and is rightly being criticised for his performances. im not even exaggerating when i say hes made an error in at least 90% of goals we concede. sure the goals we concede may be the result of multiple instances of players making errors, but there is always a maguire error. thats what united fans are so pissed about. in a team thats already shaky defensively, the captain is the one who makes the most mistakes leading to goals.
also the nature of the mistakes are different too. when you see the midfielders not doing their job, its usually due to something like lack of work ethic and they get criticised for that. but its something that you know is fixable, its just up to the player.
with maguire, his mistakes have nothing to do with how hard he tries; hes just bad at defending. ive lost count this season alone how many goals hes caused by pressing someone like an idiot and leaving space behind him, or how he makes a really shit simple pass to another defender or de gea and it allows an opportunity for the opponent to pile pressure. both of these happened in the liverpool game, and its been happening all season.
the worst part is he clearly doesnt learn from his mistakes and i dont think he even has the humility to admit that hes making them. there was an interview he did a day before the liverpool game that absolutely shocked me. the shamelessness and lack of self awareness was unbelievable. based on this seasons performances hes the worst defender ive ever seen in a united shirt and hands down the worst captain united ever had.
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