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On July 04 2021 20:58 RKC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2021 20:50 sneakyfox wrote:On July 04 2021 20:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Ya, travel distances have been similar for other tournaments. Host country normally has the same advantage England has now - just that this year, some other countries also have a similar but slightly smaller advantage. I don't really see the big problem - aside from thinking it'd be better if Baku had been entirely dropped.
One thing is the travelling distances, but the fact that they put all the most important matches in a country where many away fans can't even enter (people coming from Denmark will not be able to attend the semifinals) is ridiculous. This is of course not the case with the usual single host country model. They should have moved the matches away from Wembley but now it is obviously too late. It's different because of travel restrictions. During the England v Germany match, I recall the commentators saying that there were only about 4000 German fans out of the 40000 spectators. Also, some teams had to travel long distances between two countries during the group stages (Group C - Russia/Spain, Group A - Italy/Azerbaijan). I remember reading some Welsh player complaining having to travel back and forth (Rome-Baku-Rome) during the group games.* So many teams are just fatigued even after the group stages. That's not a 'normal' advantage that host nations enjoy. It's a double advantage/whammy - host nation play all games at home, other teams go on a round-trip Euro tour. This doesn't happen normally at all. * Found the source - Chris Gunter. Comes across as a little over the top drama queen rant. But still a valid point made.
Also, if there was a single host country, COVID restrictions would be less restrictive. Now the problem is that travelling between countries require checks and quarantine. So a fan watching in Baku today may not be able to travel to the next game in Amsterdam in three days' time. But a single host creates a travel bubble. Once you're in the country, you can watch all games without much trouble.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On July 04 2021 21:59 Pandemona wrote:
Adding to that, the travel is minimal unless you are going to Baku which is just crazy, but outside of that its an hour either direction normally. Players are also used to this when the Champions league or Europa League is happening.
Yeah I think, outside of Baku the travel is not so much the issue it’s some teams basically playing mostly at home in front of home crowds and other teams not just not having that, but ending up in venues where they can’t even get a decent amount of travelling support.
I think in retrospect, or even to a degree ahead of time I liked the idea, but they’re implementing it the one absolute worst time you could attempt this setup.
I think a singular host, probably England was the best option here. You could exclude the rest of the country and London alone has enough decent stadiums for the purpose. Of course there’s the issue of travel restrictions too.
For all I do like to jokingly bash the English, I mean really they have a football mad populace and more good football specific stadiums than any country in the world, I can understand the frustration that they’ve only hosted one World Cup and one Euros respectively.
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On July 04 2021 21:59 Pandemona wrote:
Adding to that, the travel is minimal unless you are going to Baku which is just crazy, but outside of that its an hour either direction normally. Players are also used to this when the Champions league or Europa League is happening.
Club football isn't comparable because CL and Europa League matches are stretched over longer weeks/months. Anyway, club coaches have always been vocal against fixture congestion. Also, clubs generally have more depth in their squads and can rotate players.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
That point would be valid if it was just champs league games, but it was more u play Thursday > Sunday or Tue/Wed into Saturday with travel and that is something the elite players are used too.
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On July 04 2021 21:59 Pandemona wrote:
Adding to that, the travel is minimal unless you are going to Baku which is just crazy, but outside of that its an hour either direction normally. Players are also used to this when the Champions league or Europa League is happening.
Plane trips that take one hour do not exist. You spend longer than that simply boarding and getting off the plane; getting to and from the airport is easily an hour+ in big cities such as London, too.
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Not having to travel is a huge advantage. Most countries in the Euro have the same strength and quality of players so small things can decide a match. Traveling is not a small thing, its a big thing
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On July 04 2021 23:37 sharkie wrote:
Not having to travel is a huge advantage. Most countries in the Euro have the same strength and quality of players so small things can decide a match. Traveling is not a small thing, its a big thing
Not just that, but the commentators yesterday were saying that the Spanish team cannot train in Wembley due to Covid restrictions. They are only allowed to play the match in Wembley. They literally have to fly in on the afternoon of the match and their first touch of the field will be when warming up for the match...
Presumably Italy's in the same boat, so it's "fair". But if Denmark is too, that most definitely isn't...
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On July 04 2021 23:12 Pandemona wrote:
That point would be valid if it was just champs league games, but it was more u play Thursday > Sunday or Tue/Wed into Saturday with travel and that is something the elite players are used too.
Yes, compelling coaches to rotate players, insist on matches being scheduled on Saturday or Sunday (depending whether CL is Wednesday or Thursday), and make a big fuss about fixture congestion. Also, CL and league are two different tourneys, allowing coaches to rest players in less important matches against weaker opposition (some players may even stay home and don't travel with the team). There's still a lot of room to juggle for clubs, which already have deeper squads.
Sure, maybe sometimes coaches go overboard in their whining. But just because it's tolerable doesn't mean that it's conducive for footballers to play so many games over a short period. Just because it's normalised in modern football doesn't mean the quality of games are not affected.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
All i know, playing on Wembley is way better than playing on some of the pitches in Euros so far, especially that trash pitch in Seville! Denmark and Spain the ones who haven't played at match at wembley yet but they have players who have played their before in both teams.
Not playing or practising on a pitch is again hardly a game changing issue anyway.
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On July 04 2021 23:57 Pandemona wrote:
All i know, playing on Wembley is way better than playing on some of the pitches in Euros so far, especially that trash pitch in Seville! Denmark and Spain the ones who haven't played at match at wembley yet but they have players who have played their before in both teams.
Not playing or practising on a pitch is again hardly a game changing issue anyway.
yes it is wtf?
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On July 04 2021 23:57 Pandemona wrote:
All i know, playing on Wembley is way better than playing on some of the pitches in Euros so far, especially that trash pitch in Seville! Denmark and Spain the ones who haven't played at match at wembley yet but they have players who have played their before in both teams.
Not playing or practising on a pitch is again hardly a game changing issue anyway.
Come on, of course it's a disadvantage. Living there vs. having to travel on the day of the match, are you serious?
This is pure England apology stuff :D
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United Kingdom10014 Posts
Ahh so it turns out Wales were right and Denmark had an unfair advantage...
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On July 05 2021 00:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
Ahh so it turns out Wales were right and Denmark had an unfair advantage...
Yes, they were right, the fairer result would be Denmark 2-0 
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
By the way, reading some information on this....Spain are choosing not to go to London early to play on fields offered by UEFA in London due to Luis Enrique choosing not to
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On July 05 2021 01:02 Pandemona wrote:By the way, reading some information on this....Spain are choosing not to go to London early to play on fields offered by UEFA in London due to Luis Enrique choosing not to Link
Hmm... news should be legit. But I've never heard of such a sports site, and the article author Gabby Barker must be some AI bot...
The journey to London it is delayed until 5:00 p.m. on Monday afternoon and is expected to arrive at 6:00 p.m. local time. The coach will appear the day before at a telematic press conference with Pedri, one of the sensations of the tournament. After the match and even if he signed his pass to the final in case of beating Italy, the team will repeat the plan and return to Madrid.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah i agree it might be some translated article from Spanish to English but from the parts i am "assuming" is that they are deciding themselves to stay in Spain which is what teams did in Europe this season. I remember Chelsea flying out to places on the day of the game, maybe not 1 hour before kick off though i concede lol.
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On July 05 2021 01:29 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah i agree it might be some translated article from Spanish to English but from the parts i am "assuming" is that they are deciding themselves to stay in Spain which is what teams did in Europe this season. I remember Chelsea flying out to places on the day of the game, maybe not 1 hour before kick off though i concede lol.
The idea may be reducing risk of infection. Home bubble is more secure.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yep that is true that could be one of the reasons too.
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On July 04 2021 23:57 Pandemona wrote:
All i know, playing on Wembley is way better than playing on some of the pitches in Euros so far, especially that trash pitch in Seville! Denmark and Spain the ones who haven't played at match at wembley yet but they have players who have played their before in both teams.
Not playing or practising on a pitch is again hardly a game changing issue anyway.
If you're an England fan, sure, much better to play on Wembley then. xd
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