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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18473 Posts
July 03 2021 19:52 GMT
#4421
On July 04 2021 02:22 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2021 02:20 DropBear wrote:
Dammit they could have waited one more minute to take damsgaard off

RKC why


Damsgaard walked so slow, that he actually got the minute 60 point. Dolberg though didn't get it.
So who is the one getting screwed here????

If you saw that, it got rolled back. He scored me 1 miserable point :p
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 03 2021 19:59 GMT
#4422
some nice glimpses from Sancho this half, Sterling looking good as usual and Kane scoring! Perfect offensively at least from us...

Kyle Walker having a fucking shocker though, multiple mistakes letting the Ukrainians in down his side!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8218 Posts
July 03 2021 20:03 GMT
#4423
On July 04 2021 04:28 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2021 04:16 sneakyfox wrote:
On July 04 2021 03:50 Sapaio wrote:
On July 04 2021 03:38 sneakyfox wrote:
I meas everyone in Denmark are ecstatic but I don't think this win bodes well for our chances going forward. Chechia were way to big of a problem for this team. Have to say I think beating England will be too much.


Disagree think we (Denmark) showed that we can control the game, and if under pressure, we can counter attack. Czech were luck we did not score on them think England haven't faced a team that brings what Denmark brings, they maybe favorites but think win. Also England haven't beaten Ukraine yet and they are not that bad.


I don't think we controlled that game very much at all. Czechia had plenty of chances, I think their big problem was the poor finishing. Also for the first time this tournament Hjulmand did not seem to have an answer.


I think it's just matter of the instinctive tendency of teams to sit back after having an early lead. All top teams are guilty of this to a certain extent, including Italy, Spain, France, and even England now (letting Ukraine having a good spell of possession immediately after scoring).

I'm not sure why this happens, but I reckon it's coaching instructions? Too conserve energy? To hit on the break? Whatever the reason, it's a deliberate falling-back.


I don't mind them sitting back at all. I just don't think they did a very good job of it. After the substitutions at 60 m it helped, but I don't think Denmark did a great job at keeping Czechia away from the goal. It was poor finishing from Czechia and a couple of good saves from Schmeichel that saved it for us.

Overall it felt very different from the games against Belgium, Russia, Wales.

On July 04 2021 04:37 Sapaio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2021 04:16 sneakyfox wrote:
On July 04 2021 03:50 Sapaio wrote:
On July 04 2021 03:38 sneakyfox wrote:
I meas everyone in Denmark are ecstatic but I don't think this win bodes well for our chances going forward. Chechia were way to big of a problem for this team. Have to say I think beating England will be too much.


Disagree think we (Denmark) showed that we can control the game, and if under pressure, we can counter attack. Czech were luck we did not score on them think England haven't faced a team that brings what Denmark brings, they maybe favorites but think win. Also England haven't beaten Ukraine yet and they are not that bad.


I don't think we controlled that game very much at all. Czechia had plenty of chances, I think their big problem was the poor finishing. Also for the first time this tournament Hjulmand did not seem to have an answer.


I agree that finishing was the problem. But can not see how Hjulmand from a tactical point of view could have changed the finishing better because the right players got chances.
Also think the heat in Baku got to denmark style and feel Wembley will allow much more energy in the play


No I mean that poor Czech finishing was what saved Denmark. Not that Czechia were better but Denmark were in a dangerous position and they had problems in midfield that they didn't have previously.

Definitely agree that Denmark will play better in London, but the opposition will be better as well.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
July 03 2021 20:03 GMT
#4424
On July 04 2021 04:28 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2021 04:16 sneakyfox wrote:
On July 04 2021 03:50 Sapaio wrote:
On July 04 2021 03:38 sneakyfox wrote:
I meas everyone in Denmark are ecstatic but I don't think this win bodes well for our chances going forward. Chechia were way to big of a problem for this team. Have to say I think beating England will be too much.


Disagree think we (Denmark) showed that we can control the game, and if under pressure, we can counter attack. Czech were luck we did not score on them think England haven't faced a team that brings what Denmark brings, they maybe favorites but think win. Also England haven't beaten Ukraine yet and they are not that bad.


I don't think we controlled that game very much at all. Czechia had plenty of chances, I think their big problem was the poor finishing. Also for the first time this tournament Hjulmand did not seem to have an answer.


I think it's just matter of the instinctive tendency of teams to sit back after having an early lead. All top teams are guilty of this to a certain extent, including Italy, Spain, France, and even England now (letting Ukraine having a good spell of possession immediately after scoring).

I'm not sure why this happens, but I reckon it's coaching instructions? Too conserve energy? To hit on the break? Whatever the reason, it's a deliberate falling-back.


After some reflection on my own personal experience, I think one big factor is FOCUS.

Generally, there are two modes: attack and defence. Being on attack mode is generally more intensive because your whole team is finding ways to break down the opponent's defence through different ways. Defence is equally intensive, but less so especially against 'weaker' opponents who have predictable lines of attack.

It's incredibly difficult for a player to be on constant 'attack mode' for the entire 90 minutes. Of course professional footballers are trained for this, but nobody is perfect. That's why we still see slips and bloopers.

So from a strategic perspective, a team in the lead will tend to switch to defence mode or at least cut down on attacks. The only exception is if the team is committed enough to maintain 100% focus. Probably this is possible at club level more where players are more familiar playing in a system. And also it's hard to keep focus at the end of the long season. So it's not really surprising why superior teams will take a foot of the gas during a grueling tournament like WC and Euro.
gg no re thx
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-03 20:07:13
July 03 2021 20:06 GMT
#4425
On July 04 2021 05:03 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2021 04:28 RKC wrote:
On July 04 2021 04:16 sneakyfox wrote:
On July 04 2021 03:50 Sapaio wrote:
On July 04 2021 03:38 sneakyfox wrote:
I meas everyone in Denmark are ecstatic but I don't think this win bodes well for our chances going forward. Chechia were way to big of a problem for this team. Have to say I think beating England will be too much.


Disagree think we (Denmark) showed that we can control the game, and if under pressure, we can counter attack. Czech were luck we did not score on them think England haven't faced a team that brings what Denmark brings, they maybe favorites but think win. Also England haven't beaten Ukraine yet and they are not that bad.


I don't think we controlled that game very much at all. Czechia had plenty of chances, I think their big problem was the poor finishing. Also for the first time this tournament Hjulmand did not seem to have an answer.


I think it's just matter of the instinctive tendency of teams to sit back after having an early lead. All top teams are guilty of this to a certain extent, including Italy, Spain, France, and even England now (letting Ukraine having a good spell of possession immediately after scoring).

I'm not sure why this happens, but I reckon it's coaching instructions? Too conserve energy? To hit on the break? Whatever the reason, it's a deliberate falling-back.


I don't mind them sitting back at all. I just don't think they did a very good job of it. After the substitutions at 60 m it helped, but I don't think Denmark did a great job at keeping Czechia away from the goal. It was poor finishing from Czechia and a couple of good saves from Schmeichel that saved it for us.

Overall it felt very different from the games against Belgium, Russia, Wales.

Show nested quote +
On July 04 2021 04:37 Sapaio wrote:
On July 04 2021 04:16 sneakyfox wrote:
On July 04 2021 03:50 Sapaio wrote:
On July 04 2021 03:38 sneakyfox wrote:
I meas everyone in Denmark are ecstatic but I don't think this win bodes well for our chances going forward. Chechia were way to big of a problem for this team. Have to say I think beating England will be too much.


Disagree think we (Denmark) showed that we can control the game, and if under pressure, we can counter attack. Czech were luck we did not score on them think England haven't faced a team that brings what Denmark brings, they maybe favorites but think win. Also England haven't beaten Ukraine yet and they are not that bad.


I don't think we controlled that game very much at all. Czechia had plenty of chances, I think their big problem was the poor finishing. Also for the first time this tournament Hjulmand did not seem to have an answer.


I agree that finishing was the problem. But can not see how Hjulmand from a tactical point of view could have changed the finishing better because the right players got chances.
Also think the heat in Baku got to denmark style and feel Wembley will allow much more energy in the play


No I mean that poor Czech finishing was what saved Denmark. Not that Czechia were better but Denmark were in a dangerous position and they had problems in midfield that they didn't have previously.

Definitely agree that Denmark will play better in London, but the opposition will be better as well.


Perhaps Denmark felt comfortable dealing with Czech's set pieces with their tall centre-halves. So conceding corners is still fine, but don't let dangerous maneuvers from open play. But that's just my guess from the nonchalance shown by the Danes whenever they kick the ball out of play.

Czech still had 2-3 good chances from open play. But like I said, it's really impossible at this high level of competition to eliminate all errors.
gg no re thx
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
July 03 2021 20:06 GMT
#4426
LUKE SHAW TO MAGUIRE!!!! YESYESYES
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18473 Posts
July 03 2021 20:11 GMT
#4427
On July 04 2021 05:06 mahrgell wrote:
LUKE SHAW TO MAGUIRE!!!! YESYESYES

Pfffft, you have all the luck. And another assist for Shaw too...
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
July 03 2021 20:12 GMT
#4428
Oh my, England unleashing the full potential finally? Shaw also justifying getting picked as first choice LB, excellent play by him again today.
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
July 03 2021 20:12 GMT
#4429
Okay, this game is over, time for bed.
gg no re thx
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18473 Posts
July 03 2021 20:14 GMT
#4430
I need Yarmolenko to score. It'll cost me points, but it costs mahrgell much more
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-03 20:15:15
July 03 2021 20:14 GMT
#4431
If I remember correctly Maguire should return to Greece tomorrow to serve jail time until after playing Denmark
GO OG
gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2669 Posts
July 03 2021 20:23 GMT
#4432
Welp, I doubt Ukraine will get a win now!
One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-03 20:26:33
July 03 2021 20:26 GMT
#4433
On July 04 2021 05:14 Acrofales wrote:
I need Yarmolenko to score. It'll cost me points, but it costs mahrgell much more


Shaw subbed out to limit any potential damages!
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
July 03 2021 20:26 GMT
#4434
England hasn't conceded so far in this tournament. I wonder what the longest clean sheet streaks are in major tournaments?
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
July 03 2021 20:33 GMT
#4435
On July 04 2021 05:26 Oukka wrote:
England hasn't conceded so far in this tournament. I wonder what the longest clean sheet streaks are in major tournaments?


Not sure, but I vaguely remember Spain 1-0 all the way in the knockout stage including the final in WC2010.
gg no re thx
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2117 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-03 20:41:06
July 03 2021 20:40 GMT
#4436
I tried to dig up some statistics. Italy apparently didn't concede for 517 mins in World Cup 1990. Not sure about the Euros or finer details on the Italy feat.

Clean sheet today would leave England at 450 minutes unless I'm missing something.

Switzerland has managed to get eliminated without conceding a goal, but I don't think that counts.
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
July 03 2021 20:48 GMT
#4437
On July 04 2021 05:40 Bacillus wrote:
I tried to dig up some statistics. Italy apparently didn't concede for 517 mins in World Cup 1990. Not sure about the Euros or finer details on the Italy feat.

Clean sheet today would leave England at 450 minutes unless I'm missing something.

Switzerland has managed to get eliminated without conceding a goal, but I don't think that counts.


Aye I ended up digging wikipedia for a bit, Italy 1990 (WC) played 5 full games without conceding, Switzerland played five in a row as well, but it was across two tournaments (2006 and 2010 WC)

For Euros, Spain 2012 conceded against Italy in the first game, then didn't concede in the next five, winning the tournament. Semi-final went to pens, 0-0 AET, but I think that still counts as a clean sheet even if the pens ended 4-2. Spain then continued the streak in Euros 2016, winning their first two games without conceding. So their streaks are 5 in 2012 and 7 in a row across the two tournaments, 2012 and 2016.

Per this, if England keeps a clean sheet in this game and in the semi, they will have the lonest clean sheet streak in a single tournament across either WC or Euros. They also could become the first team to win either of this tournaments without conceding a single goal, which would be some feat.
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
July 03 2021 20:53 GMT
#4438
So after only 7/15 players survived in the RO16 in my fantasy team, this time all 15 made it... Guess I really have options on who to trade instead of having only forced trades...
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2117 Posts
July 03 2021 21:00 GMT
#4439
The Finnish studio is using their tactics overlay to draw Mickey Mouse ears on Ukraine defenders during the goals. I guess that summarizes how disappointing the defense was has how insipid the 2nd half turned out.

Happy that Hendo got his 1st International goal though.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 03 2021 21:07 GMT
#4440
Wow! What a performance! Perfect from England, never thought i would see us playing that well in a knockout game with huge pressure back to back. Very good mindset on these players which i never thought would be a thing as well!

Wednesday we are back at Wembley, Kane and Sterling in form, lets go!
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