EPTWhile this is bad for the teams involved, it would have been the same for English fans if it was held in any other country as well as no one in Europe wants English fans around right now either lol.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
While this is bad for the teams involved, it would have been the same for English fans if it was held in any other country as well as no one in Europe wants English fans around right now either lol. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
In the absence of that I’m unsure on how you make a schedule that works around all these factors. Ultimately the whole thing is a farce at a level above football governance. It’s politically expedient to placate people by encouraging widespread leisure travel in this country, it’s fine to have 60k at Wembley but it’s not fine for Danes to travel to attend said stadium? Aside from their giant consistent hard on for Baku I don’t really blame UEFA for being unable to smoothly navigate these waters. | ||
GTR
51705 Posts
can't tell if in fever dream or what. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Some are saying in order to avoid even more financial fallout, Barca might have to start laying off staff, as well as players. Imagine if Barca follows through on that in order to keep Messi... But there is one fortunate side to all this, Barca, unlike say Manchester United, are not a publicly traded entity. Otherwise they would be in even deeper shit. Barca has to pay over HALF a billion in player salaries alone. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
On July 06 2021 12:30 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So Barca is such a deep hole that it will cost more to buy out the contracts, in order to attempt to buy other players. That's not counting the eventual lawsuits. https://twitter.com/moillorens/status/1412102739727982592 https://twitter.com/ZachLowy/status/1412144416500944904 https://twitter.com/ZachLowy/status/1412145394377801734 https://twitter.com/ZachLowy/status/1412147170896232452 Some are saying in order to avoid even more financial fallout, Barca might have to start laying off staff, as well as players. Imagine if Barca follows through on that in order to keep Messi... But there is one fortunate side to all this, Barca, unlike say Manchester United, are not a publicly traded entity. Otherwise they would be in even deeper shit. Barca has to pay over HALF a billion in player salaries alone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv95hDcxeqM This is kinda fascinating, here is when rules destroy common business sense. You make a salary cap so the club have to terminate a contract paying the exact same amount of money to the player, but losing all the value he has as an asset. Because you need to move the amount from the salary column to another. I am wondering why Barca all of the sudden is in this kinda problems. Is it because that they planned poorly and could not calculate the wage amount a year a head. Or is it because the salary cap is connected to the revenue they generate. So that the convid crisis crashed it, because lack of ticket income and poor results. If that is the case, the spanish football body should help the clubs, not enforce rules. Edit. These kinda rules should lead clubs to be creative in the future. if terminations isn't a salary then sign on fees proberly aren't either. So they could pay the salary upfront instead to avoid it showing up on the salary column. Or in case of Messi. why not have him play on greatly reduced salary but give him rights to royalties of Jersey sales with his name on it, and have the sponsor pay it. You could properly work out the same amount but just having it shown up in different columns on financial records. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18762 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6324 Posts
On July 06 2021 13:18 Sapaio wrote: This is kinda fascinating, here is when rules destroy common business sense. You make a salary cap so the club have to terminate a contract paying the exact same amount of money to the player, but losing all the value he has as an asset. Because you need to move the amount from the salary column to another. I am wondering why Barca all of the sudden is in this kinda problems. Is it because that they planned poorly and could not calculate the wage amount a year a head. Or is it because the salary cap is connected to the revenue they generate. So that the convid crisis crashed it, because lack of ticket income and poor results. If that is the case, the spanish football body should help the clubs, not enforce rules. Edit. These kinda rules should lead clubs to be creative in the future. if terminations isn't a salary then sign on fees proberly aren't either. So they could pay the salary upfront instead to avoid it showing up on the salary column. Or in case of Messi. why not have him play on greatly reduced salary but give him rights to royalties of Jersey sales with his name on it, and have the sponsor pay it. You could properly work out the same amount but just having it shown up in different columns on financial records. The salary cap is based on last year's revenue. Barca has been mismanaged but most of these issues are caused by covid. They were expected to run a small profit without it but that turned into a huge loss due to restrictions. I don't think it's very fair to strictly enforce rules when you can't comply to them due to government enforced closures. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18473 Posts
On July 06 2021 14:04 RvB wrote: The salary cap is based on last year's revenue. Barca has been mismanaged but most of these issues are caused by covid. They were expected to run a small profit without it but that turned into a huge loss due to restrictions. I don't think it's very fair to strictly enforce rules when you can't comply to them due to government enforced closures. La Liga enforcing this rule during Covid would be stupid. If Barcelona goes bankrupt because of their ongoing costs, that is over thing. But La Liga having rules that actually make it more likely Barcelona goes bankrupt by trying to comply with those rules is ... The whole point of those rules was to "enforce" responsible financing in clubs. But Covid threw all that out the window. Clubs saw their income decimated, but if you contractually can't reduce your costs you get penalized extra? | ||
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DropBear
Australia4437 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7427 Posts
On July 06 2021 13:37 sharkie wrote: Its finally a big Club being punished for mismanagement... This exactly! I do hope Real Madrid, PSG and the English clubs take note and don't offer those ridiculous amounts of money anymore. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
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haitike
Spain2744 Posts
On July 06 2021 19:28 Sapaio wrote: Please explain the mismanagement here? So Barca didn't listen to the clairvoyant predicting the pandemic and make adjustments in time!!! Bartomeu was the worst president that I have seen (And Gaspart was terrible, he wasted all the money from selling Luis Figo). Barto not only wasted all money from selling Neymar in Coutinho and Dembelé, but in addition to that he renewed players every year with high salaries without control. For example, Sergi Roberto has a 10M salary despite him not being good enough even for Spain NT. Also he used social media campaigns against his own players in secret, lol. Laporta is doing all he can since he was elected some months ago, but he received a very messy situation. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18762 Posts
On July 06 2021 19:28 Sapaio wrote: Please explain the mismanagement here? So Barca didn't listen to the clairvoyant predicting the pandemic and make adjustments in time!!! Why is Barca the only club in such deep trouble financially? Because they were barely keeping afloat I assume and thats why the got hit harder than anyone else by the pandemic. | ||
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gTank
Austria2669 Posts
Shocking, I know. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7427 Posts
On July 06 2021 19:28 Sapaio wrote: Please explain the mismanagement here? So Barca didn't listen to the clairvoyant predicting the pandemic and make adjustments in time!!! Got nothing to do with the pandemic. They have had huge debts long before. Bought players they couldn't afford and had salaries they couldn't pay. They are the prime example of whats wrong with footi | ||
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sharkie
Austria18762 Posts
On July 06 2021 20:37 Harris1st wrote: Got nothing to do with the pandemic. They have had huge debts long before. Bought players they couldn't afford and had salaries they couldn't pay. They are the prime example of whats wrong with footi actually capitalism, not just footi :D | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On July 06 2021 04:49 Sapaio wrote: Common, the stress of packing a travel bag and setting in a bus to airport. Sorry it takes hours to deiced what underwear to pack in a travel bag for the next day, the steeeeers. I know that being professionals footballer isn't easy. But relaxing in a bus or hotel before a match is not gonna decide the match. Please have some kind of reality check, there is advantage but you make it sound like the Czech where forced to run to Buku. With about half the countries having homefield its not unlikely that many make it to semi finales, besides Denmark (that is ranked 10th in the world) is anybody surprised by England, Spain or Italy here. Not saying meaningless with homefield and travel about you make it sound like it's the underdogs all standing in the semi finals because the other teams have to travel. I am upset that you take away the effort put in by Denmark to just having played at homefield. I'm not saying it's stressful, but it takes the time while others stay at home and can use the time. Realixing in a bus isn't exactly the same and as I mentioned multiple times - 1) it wouldn't help us to not travel, because our team is weak and 2) we travelled 8k kms before the fucking Baku travel, compare to Denmark. My points are 1) It's not fair 2) It affects teams Edit> actually can be stressful for players who have the flight anxiety, but that;'s kinda off the point and these shouldn't have been on the tourney anyway. Unless you're England. Edit2> as counterpoints to some people who are thinking that it is just unlucky for some teams and it is just an hour flight here and there. Coincidentally those people are fans of the least travelling teams. Coincidence. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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sneakyfox
8218 Posts
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
Italy is looked good this tournament, but think Spain’s style make for a very different match. Have a feeling Spain wins. | ||
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