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On August 07 2020 22:28 Wombat_NI wrote:
Has anyone here subbed to the Athletic? Interested to give it a go, although I’m subbed to way too many podcasts already that feature some of their writers so not sure how much additional mileage I would get!
Disappointing to say the least from Arsenal. They will no doubt reverse this decision based on public outcry and it’ll be forgotten. These owners and billionaire types will fuck over the little guy and gal given any chance whatsoever.
Mesut Ozil is looking increasingly vindicated in not taking that pay cut eh? Wonder if him being frozen out is more than just a purely footballing decision at this stage...
For those unaware, Ozil’s given rationale to not take a pay cut was he wanted assurances as to how that saved money would be used, and if it would safeguard staff jobs etc.
Not sure if Ozil is vindicated, pretty sure if he took pay cut of 12,5% he could have saved those 55 jobs, So maybe this just proves who selfish he is. Really he makes 350k £ a week or something like that.
Ozil is in his rights to refuse to take pay cute, but if look at the jobs you number of jobs you could creat for 40k per week, 55 low salary jobs looks about right in my maths.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On August 08 2020 03:23 Sapaio wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2020 22:28 Wombat_NI wrote:
Has anyone here subbed to the Athletic? Interested to give it a go, although I’m subbed to way too many podcasts already that feature some of their writers so not sure how much additional mileage I would get!
Disappointing to say the least from Arsenal. They will no doubt reverse this decision based on public outcry and it’ll be forgotten. These owners and billionaire types will fuck over the little guy and gal given any chance whatsoever.
Mesut Ozil is looking increasingly vindicated in not taking that pay cut eh? Wonder if him being frozen out is more than just a purely footballing decision at this stage...
For those unaware, Ozil’s given rationale to not take a pay cut was he wanted assurances as to how that saved money would be used, and if it would safeguard staff jobs etc.
Not sure if Ozil is vindicated, pretty sure if he took pay cut of 12,5% he could have saved those 55 jobs, So maybe this just proves who selfish he is. Really he makes 350k £ a week or something like that. Ozil is in his rights to refuse to take pay cute, but if look at the jobs you number of jobs you could creat for 40k per week, 55 low salary jobs looks about right in my maths.
Why’s it on Ozil?
The players took the wage cut and expected other jobs to be saved, as with many other clubs the players were happy to take a cut to help protect the many non-playing staff around them.
Ozil didn’t take the cut, as was at least reported in me many podcasts at the time because he was skeptical about where any money saved would be going. Which it seems he was very much right to be now.
Also, while the revenue from matchdays still aren’t back, these deals were made back when there was no football at all, and there were serious doubts as to broadcasting rights not being fulfilled and broadcasters wanting money back there.
Which isn’t a factor now either. There’s a lot less uncertainty at least there now.
Meanwhile Stan Kronke’s purported net worth has risen some 300 million over the pandemic period, not exactly atypical with his fellow billionaires.
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Zidane really needs the help of a stylist. So many years as head coach of the most prestigious club in the world and he hasn't figured out he needs a belt. What a terrible tie choice too. Pep is classes above.
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On August 08 2020 03:46 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2020 03:23 Sapaio wrote:On August 07 2020 22:28 Wombat_NI wrote:
Has anyone here subbed to the Athletic? Interested to give it a go, although I’m subbed to way too many podcasts already that feature some of their writers so not sure how much additional mileage I would get!
Disappointing to say the least from Arsenal. They will no doubt reverse this decision based on public outcry and it’ll be forgotten. These owners and billionaire types will fuck over the little guy and gal given any chance whatsoever.
Mesut Ozil is looking increasingly vindicated in not taking that pay cut eh? Wonder if him being frozen out is more than just a purely footballing decision at this stage...
For those unaware, Ozil’s given rationale to not take a pay cut was he wanted assurances as to how that saved money would be used, and if it would safeguard staff jobs etc.
Not sure if Ozil is vindicated, pretty sure if he took pay cut of 12,5% he could have saved those 55 jobs, So maybe this just proves who selfish he is. Really he makes 350k £ a week or something like that. Ozil is in his rights to refuse to take pay cute, but if look at the jobs you number of jobs you could creat for 40k per week, 55 low salary jobs looks about right in my maths. Why’s it on Ozil? The players took the wage cut and expected other jobs to be saved, as with many other clubs the players were happy to take a cut to help protect the many non-playing staff around them. Ozil didn’t take the cut, as was at least reported in me many podcasts at the time because he was skeptical about where any money saved would be going. Which it seems he was very much right to be now. Also, while the revenue from matchdays still aren’t back, these deals were made back when there was no football at all, and there were serious doubts as to broadcasting rights not being fulfilled and broadcasters wanting money back there. Which isn’t a factor now either. There’s a lot less uncertainty at least there now. Meanwhile Stan Kronke’s purported net worth has risen some 300 million over the pandemic period, not exactly atypical with his fellow billionaires.
Didn't say it was on Ozil but u said he was vindicated. I just pointed out that his wage cut is about the same as the wages for the jobs lost, so a logical conclusion is that if he had taken the wage cut, the people would not have lost there job.
I feel its a bullshit move by the owner but still think is the most selfish player in Arsenal and the sooner he gets out Arsenal the better for them. A lazy selfish has been that cares only about himself, going to parties and on top of that has bad political views.
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Real off with a good start...
:D
Lyon 1-0 after a penalty, looks pretty bad for Juventus so far, lmao.
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Don't know what is worse reals play or there outfit.
To this day i can't figure out why you have home and aways outfit, and not 1 or 2.
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Juve is screwed haha. The goal for City doesn't necessarily change much. Real still needs at least 2.
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On August 08 2020 04:18 WillyWanker wrote:
Juve is screwed haha. The goal for City doesn't necessarily change much. Real still needs at least 2.
Yeah but don't seem like they can keep City away scoring more.
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On August 08 2020 04:21 Sapaio wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2020 04:18 WillyWanker wrote:
Juve is screwed haha. The goal for City doesn't necessarily change much. Real still needs at least 2. Yeah but don't seem like they can keep City away scoring more.
Indeed, but City dominating then crumbling wouldn't be a first haha.
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Damn, a wild Benzema appeared.
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Good match. City Attacking and real looking to strike on a counter.
Courtois is looking awful what did happen to make him drop off so much.
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City was more in control in the first game, or maybe Real wasn't as dangerous. Still a one goal lead but a worse situation than at kick-off. Best scenario would be to defend this until the 70th and then put Mahrez amd B. Silva for deadly counter attacks when Real goes yolo.
Juve Lyon could still go both ways. Juve's pen was complete bs, it's never handball.
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What a goal from Ronaldo. Man is unstoppable in CL. Tense last 30.
Edit 2:
Poor Varane hahah. No daddy Ramos to save him today.
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On August 08 2020 03:46 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2020 03:23 Sapaio wrote:On August 07 2020 22:28 Wombat_NI wrote:
Has anyone here subbed to the Athletic? Interested to give it a go, although I’m subbed to way too many podcasts already that feature some of their writers so not sure how much additional mileage I would get!
Disappointing to say the least from Arsenal. They will no doubt reverse this decision based on public outcry and it’ll be forgotten. These owners and billionaire types will fuck over the little guy and gal given any chance whatsoever.
Mesut Ozil is looking increasingly vindicated in not taking that pay cut eh? Wonder if him being frozen out is more than just a purely footballing decision at this stage...
For those unaware, Ozil’s given rationale to not take a pay cut was he wanted assurances as to how that saved money would be used, and if it would safeguard staff jobs etc.
Not sure if Ozil is vindicated, pretty sure if he took pay cut of 12,5% he could have saved those 55 jobs, So maybe this just proves who selfish he is. Really he makes 350k £ a week or something like that. Ozil is in his rights to refuse to take pay cute, but if look at the jobs you number of jobs you could creat for 40k per week, 55 low salary jobs looks about right in my maths. Why’s it on Ozil? The players took the wage cut and expected other jobs to be saved, as with many other clubs the players were happy to take a cut to help protect the many non-playing staff around them. Ozil didn’t take the cut, as was at least reported in me many podcasts at the time because he was skeptical about where any money saved would be going. Which it seems he was very much right to be now. Also, while the revenue from matchdays still aren’t back, these deals were made back when there was no football at all, and there were serious doubts as to broadcasting rights not being fulfilled and broadcasters wanting money back there. Which isn’t a factor now either. There’s a lot less uncertainty at least there now. Meanwhile Stan Kronke’s purported net worth has risen some 300 million over the pandemic period, not exactly atypical with his fellow billionaires.
He could offer a pay cut to save atleast a bunch of those jobs right now if he ever cared about anything else than making the most out of his last big contract.
He would even have a direct guarantee that his sacrifice made a difference - just like he wanted.
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On second thought : the following media battle with Arsenal would be highly entertaining, not to mention that it would be a great gesture - so please do it, Özil.
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Are Real trying to win ? Or just are marking the game before the vacation.
80th minute, they need 2 goals. 1 substitude made with Brahim, Vinicius, Isco, Marcelo and others on the bench.
Vincius had the season of his life... Not allowed to play, while Hazard who has 0 impact deserves 80+ minutes.
At the break, Courtois had more passes than Modric... Really sad.
edit: They allow a goal in the 68th minute and need two goals. The reaction from the bench comes at the 84th minute with 3 substitutes... What the actual hell happened in this game ?
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So will the big news tomorrow be that City beat real or that Bale refused to be selected for trip to Manchester and hours before kickoff was spotted going golfing.
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2-1 for City is really really the minimum. This was a 3-4 goals difference match. Real just wasn't at their level, they won the league but it's not like they've been really impressive, just solid defensively and a lot of 1-0 wins.
Juve out? That'd be insane. That'd be your big news.
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Juventus out, Real out.
What a good day for football :D
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On August 08 2020 05:29 clusen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2020 03:46 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 08 2020 03:23 Sapaio wrote:On August 07 2020 22:28 Wombat_NI wrote:
Has anyone here subbed to the Athletic? Interested to give it a go, although I’m subbed to way too many podcasts already that feature some of their writers so not sure how much additional mileage I would get!
Disappointing to say the least from Arsenal. They will no doubt reverse this decision based on public outcry and it’ll be forgotten. These owners and billionaire types will fuck over the little guy and gal given any chance whatsoever.
Mesut Ozil is looking increasingly vindicated in not taking that pay cut eh? Wonder if him being frozen out is more than just a purely footballing decision at this stage...
For those unaware, Ozil’s given rationale to not take a pay cut was he wanted assurances as to how that saved money would be used, and if it would safeguard staff jobs etc.
Not sure if Ozil is vindicated, pretty sure if he took pay cut of 12,5% he could have saved those 55 jobs, So maybe this just proves who selfish he is. Really he makes 350k £ a week or something like that. Ozil is in his rights to refuse to take pay cute, but if look at the jobs you number of jobs you could creat for 40k per week, 55 low salary jobs looks about right in my maths. Why’s it on Ozil? The players took the wage cut and expected other jobs to be saved, as with many other clubs the players were happy to take a cut to help protect the many non-playing staff around them. Ozil didn’t take the cut, as was at least reported in me many podcasts at the time because he was skeptical about where any money saved would be going. Which it seems he was very much right to be now. Also, while the revenue from matchdays still aren’t back, these deals were made back when there was no football at all, and there were serious doubts as to broadcasting rights not being fulfilled and broadcasters wanting money back there. Which isn’t a factor now either. There’s a lot less uncertainty at least there now. Meanwhile Stan Kronke’s purported net worth has risen some 300 million over the pandemic period, not exactly atypical with his fellow billionaires. He could offer a pay cut to save atleast a bunch of those jobs right now if he ever cared about anything else than making the most out of his last big contract. He would even have a direct guarantee that his sacrifice made a difference - just like he wanted. € On second thought : the following media battle with Arsenal would be highly entertaining, not to mention that it would be a great gesture - so please do it, Özil.
#TeamOzil (Ok I’m being facetious here)
Just going off what was reported of Ozil’s rationale at the time, and indeed a similar dispute was had over at Barcelona too which turned quite poisonous (their board seems a special kind of stupid at annoying their employees).
If x amount of money needs to be saved, where is it going? Will it save the jobs of the non-playing staff? I presume the players are quite close to some of these individuals too.
Ozil has quite the philanthropic streak, which is rather underpublicised, or at least tends to get skirted over, so I’m inclined to believe it’s not pure selfishness on his part.
My napkin maths of 12.5% of Arsenal’s total wage bill for 4 months comes to 4.1 million pounds. My maths is already wrong because I went off Arsenal’s total wage bill and forgot to minus Ozil.
Which is enough to pay 55 people an annual salary of £75000 each. From what I’ve heard these are more ‘unskilled’ workers so their salaries aren’t going to be anywhere near that.
This is on the board and the owners, they’re just very lucky to have a lightning rod like Ozil that can divert attention away.
It’s worth noting the other players are also now pissed off here too, as they received assurances that their wage cuts would guarantee these jobs.
Which all points to Ozil’s instincts being right in the first place and the owners taking the piss and making the players responsible for any negative PR that redundancies would bring.
I presume people in more regular industries have taken cuts partly to help keep their colleagues in employment and made all sorts of sacrifices. It’s another thing entirely to be asked to make those sacrifices and people be fired around you anyway.
For all Ozil’s wealth, keeping these people employed for a year is still a decent chunk of a yearly salary. For Kronke it is the equivalent of change you find down your sofa.
You want to buy a football club that’s near and dear to huge amounts of people? Then do it. Want to run it like a business in a cutthroat manner, go right ahead. It’s complete bullshit to offset potential risk and losses onto players and make them take the PR hit for paying your other employees
/Rant. God are there any clubs not run by pieces of shit anymore?
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On August 08 2020 05:56 739 wrote:
Juventus out, Real out.
What a good day for football :D
A good day for football/Man City progressing, please do pick one :p
How did the games go?
A vanishingly small part of me kinda wants Juve to prosper just because Sarri got such a raw deal when he came over here, plus he is a fellow chainsmoker.
This isn’t great for my theory/hope that the French sides would be really rusty and my newly beloved Atalanta could take the juicy, juicy scalp of PSG though 
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On August 08 2020 05:42 Sapaio wrote:
So will the big news tomorrow be that City beat real or that Bale refused to be selected for trip to Manchester and hours before kickoff was spotted going golfing.
Bale refused to be selected? Last I’d heard he was just omitted out of the match day squad entirely. Did something else come out?
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