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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4135 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-28 09:48:44
April 27 2020 13:56 GMT
#3441
Bundesliga doesnt want a problem with the wanted 20k test units. Bundesliga even made a written agreement with five (five!!!) (testing units production) companies, that the Bundesliga will stop/pause the season again if the testing units are needed somewhere else.

As of right now, It's all about the green light of merkel, she will announce it on 5th or 6th may. Bundesliga want to start at 9th may (earliest date).
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
April 27 2020 17:10 GMT
#3442
Find it crazy how it being left that late. She announces it Tuesday/Wednesday next week to play Saturday next week what the fuck?

So teams are currently training their asses off in a pre season drill session for them to be told it could be off...seems bit crazy
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sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-27 17:59:14
April 27 2020 17:58 GMT
#3443
Just to clarify, its gonna be decided not by Merkel alone but by the weekly crisis meeting of federal and state politicians. And I think I read that they didn't want to make decision this week because it is too soon after the changes from last week.
Also makes it unlikely to have games on 11th with two days notice, expect the 18th to be lot more realistic.
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2714 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-28 11:04:04
April 28 2020 11:00 GMT
#3444
Today It died the most loved Brit in Spain and probably the most loved pundit too, Michael Robinson. After playing more than 300 matches with Liverpool he came to Spain (played 3 seasons in Osasuna) and then he became famous as pundit. We enjoyed his match commentary (with his famous British accent) for 3 decades. And he had a TV show (Informe Robinson) with high quality football content. RIP.
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4360 Posts
April 28 2020 16:48 GMT
#3445
On the Dutch league cancellation, keep in mind that their government cancelled all "public events" until September 1. It is very doubtful that the Dutch FA actually wanted to cancel the season, they had no choice.
Sucker for nostalgia
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2714 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-28 17:48:07
April 28 2020 17:00 GMT
#3446
On April 29 2020 01:48 DropBear wrote:
On the Dutch league cancellation, keep in mind that their government cancelled all "public events" until September 1. It is very doubtful that the Dutch FA actually wanted to cancel the season, they had no choice.


Ignore my post, my brain fucked it.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
April 28 2020 17:18 GMT
#3447
On April 29 2020 02:00 haitike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2020 01:48 DropBear wrote:
On the Dutch league cancellation, keep in mind that their government cancelled all "public events" until September 1. It is very doubtful that the Dutch FA actually wanted to cancel the season, they had no choice.


I think the main complain about Dutch FA is not the cancellation. It is that they decided to base the final standings (title, CL spots, EL spots, promotions, relegations) on the last week of play.


Hm? There are no title and no promotions and demotions (except 2 promotions due to the increase from 18 to 20 teams) in the Dutch league.

Also Ligue1 is most likely also cancelled, at least PM Phillippe today said in front of the national assembly that the continuation of the 19/20 season of professional sports leagues won't be allowed.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-28 18:37:19
April 28 2020 18:35 GMT
#3448
On April 28 2020 20:00 haitike wrote:
Today It died the most loved Brit in Spain and probably the most loved pundit too, Michael Robinson. After playing more than 300 matches with Liverpool he came to Spain (played 3 seasons in Osasuna) and then he became famous as pundit. We enjoyed his match commentary (with his famous British accent) for 3 decades. And he had a TV show (Informe Robinson) with high quality football content. RIP.

Yeah RIP

Also FIFA Chief Medical Officer has said he does not recommend football resume until 1st September which kills every league lol, however that is just his opinion might not be FIFA as a whole..

With France government now also shutting their season down, that means both Dutch and French clubs are out of Europe now? Surely UEFA cannot continue those competitions now? I think it is looking more and more likely all seasons will be finished up and go for a September resumption of new season.

On a semi related note, a Japanese medical expert/officer can't remember exactly his job role, but he has cast doubt on whether the Tokyo 2020 Olympics will even happen period, not even next summer if a Vaccine is not found "soon".
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Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
April 29 2020 05:59 GMT
#3449
On April 29 2020 02:18 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2020 02:00 haitike wrote:
On April 29 2020 01:48 DropBear wrote:
On the Dutch league cancellation, keep in mind that their government cancelled all "public events" until September 1. It is very doubtful that the Dutch FA actually wanted to cancel the season, they had no choice.


I think the main complain about Dutch FA is not the cancellation. It is that they decided to base the final standings (title, CL spots, EL spots, promotions, relegations) on the last week of play.


Hm? There are no title and no promotions and demotions (except 2 promotions due to the increase from 18 to 20 teams) in the Dutch league.

Also Ligue1 is most likely also cancelled, at least PM Phillippe today said in front of the national assembly that the continuation of the 19/20 season of professional sports leagues won't be allowed.


Dutch league will have no promotions either (big scandal with trials upcoming initiated by the disadvantaged clubs). Mind you, Cambuur had an 11 point gap to the number 3 in our second league with 9 matches remaining (top 2 are promoted) and RKC was 11 points behind number 16 in our first league with 8 matches to go. No way Cambuur would give that up and RKC still avoiding demotion. ADO Den Haag was also 7 points behind 16th place. No-one thought they were gonna make it either (and almost everyone wants them gone anyway).

Of course the KNVB (Dutch football association) bungled the job here. They actually had a vote among all clubs in both divisions, whether the clubs at 17/18 respectively 1/2 should demote/promote. The vote tally was 16 in favour, 9 against and 9 no-votes. The KNVB haphazardly decided that since there was no absolute majority (18 against/no-vote vs 16 in favour), they shouldn't promote/demote, which was a ridiculous decision. It's like this. KNVB: "hey let's do a vote, who wants pizza and who wants Chinese? We can only have one." Clubs: "16 pizza, 9 Chinese, 9 don't care". KNVB: "Okay let's do Chinese".

Then there's the matter of FC Utrecht having 1 match in hand (against Ajax) in which they could jump over Willem II at fifth place, which would've put them in the qualification pool for the Europa League. Now Willem II has that spot, while they've played 1 match more. Ah well, maybe we won't even have football after September 1st either, so all this doesn't matter. I'm not entirely sure how UEFA wants to handle all the qualification rounds anyway, with all governments deciding differently when football is allowed again. If they decide qualification should start around August 1st, then I guess Dutch football clubs should ask German clubs if they can lend their stadium or something.
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Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
April 29 2020 06:00 GMT
#3450
On April 28 2020 20:00 haitike wrote:
Today It died the most loved Brit in Spain and probably the most loved pundit too, Michael Robinson. After playing more than 300 matches with Liverpool he came to Spain (played 3 seasons in Osasuna) and then he became famous as pundit. We enjoyed his match commentary (with his famous British accent) for 3 decades. And he had a TV show (Informe Robinson) with high quality football content. RIP.


That's sad . What age did he reach? Rest in peace.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18427 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-29 11:35:28
April 29 2020 11:33 GMT
#3451
For me this whole cancellation of leagues in France and Netherlands just for this season is so shortsighted. What the heck changes in September from now on? Nothing, there wont be a vaccine.

So either you also need to cancel next season or do what Germany is doing - try to find a solution for the whole corona mess and save professional sports. It will also force more people to stay at home and watch TV instead of going out and spreading virus or getting frustrated/depressed at home. If covid appears in football clubs again, then yes we have to stop again but at least Germany TRIED.

This sticking your head in the sand solution of France/Netherlands - shame on them.
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2714 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-29 11:59:28
April 29 2020 11:58 GMT
#3452
I also don't understand why players can't play behind closed doors in June/July, but all the other workers in the country will go to the office, use public transport, etc. It is not a mass audience event if you don't have audience.

On April 29 2020 15:00 Twisted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2020 20:00 haitike wrote:
Today It died the most loved Brit in Spain and probably the most loved pundit too, Michael Robinson. After playing more than 300 matches with Liverpool he came to Spain (played 3 seasons in Osasuna) and then he became famous as pundit. We enjoyed his match commentary (with his famous British accent) for 3 decades. And he had a TV show (Informe Robinson) with high quality football content. RIP.


That's sad . What age did he reach? Rest in peace.


61 years
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-29 12:13:25
April 29 2020 12:10 GMT
#3453
Local governments also forbid games being played (it takes police effort etc. to keep everything in check). I think whenever the decision is made that football behind closed doors is possible again, they'll have to be very sure that it won't get out of hand. If football is played again, people will still gather to watch together, hooligans will look eachother up and fans will gather in cities where games are played. It will have impact on the amount of corona-victims. The question remains, how much.

While the number of our intensive care unit keeps dropping, they'll keep extending more freedom in the taken measures, but that's not opening up football, but opening up elementary schools and daycare so people can actually go to work. I have two young children (3 weeks and 2,5 years old) and my girlfriend is on pregnancy leave and I can work from home so we make it work, but other people (my sister-in-law for example) have to combine work while homeschooling a couple kids of 4 and 10. But I'm glad daycare is opening up May 11th, so my daughter can spend 2 days away from home, playing with kids and me being able to work 2 days fulltime without distractions. These things are more important for society than football (apart from the fact that it seems that corona doesn't affect kids much, so they've leaned towards opening up elementary schools and daycare locations).

And to shame our governments who are doing the best they can to limit the spread of the virus, while trying to maintain the economy and other societal problems, is very shortsighted. Our prime minister particularly spoke about professional football also being denied, so I don't think it's a shortsighted decision at all. I think they've thought about it for a while but leaned towards not extending privilege to professional football.

I would love it if football starts up again, not only for my viewing pleasure, but also because the economic impact on the clubs themselves won't be too severe.

On April 29 2020 20:58 haitike wrote:

61 years



Ugh, too young
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25530 Posts
April 29 2020 14:18 GMT
#3454
On April 29 2020 20:58 haitike wrote:
I also don't understand why players can't play behind closed doors in June/July, but all the other workers in the country will go to the office, use public transport, etc. It is not a mass audience event if you don't have audience.

Show nested quote +
On April 29 2020 15:00 Twisted wrote:
On April 28 2020 20:00 haitike wrote:
Today It died the most loved Brit in Spain and probably the most loved pundit too, Michael Robinson. After playing more than 300 matches with Liverpool he came to Spain (played 3 seasons in Osasuna) and then he became famous as pundit. We enjoyed his match commentary (with his famous British accent) for 3 decades. And he had a TV show (Informe Robinson) with high quality football content. RIP.


That's sad . What age did he reach? Rest in peace.


61 years

That’s a shame, he didn’t have much of a profile over here but from a podcast obituary and what you said he was really loved over in Spain.

I like the German initiative here, they seem to be the only federation actually preparing for some form of football under these kind of conditions.

Near everyone else is cancelling seasons and I don’t know why they are doing it now. There’s no guarantee that a vaccine will be available, or things will be close to back to normal to do next season. So why not just delay as late as possible? Hell of a lot easier finishing 7/9 games or whatever than 38 if does drag on
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
April 30 2020 08:13 GMT
#3455
The difference with Germany is that they test everybody and they have much less deaths. So they're ahead of every other country in Europe and can take different measures.

Living in China, I can tell that a couple more months of being safe equals a lot less risks and almost no chance for a 2nd wave. Waiting for July/August to start having sports again isn't a bad thing, vaccine or not. The French league had to finish before end of August to allow for the next season to be completed. Let's not forget there's going to be a European Championship next June. And in France the TV rights went up BIG for next season, so if there's a season to sacrifice, it has to be the current one. I would have liked them not to go too fast to cancel it, they could have maybe finished it if things got better in a month, but they took the safe route and gave clubs a definitive answer which helps them organize themselves instead of speculating for weeks.

I think we'll know if it was a good decision later. Spain, Italy and England might want to restart soon but who knows if they actually will. Even if they take the risk, which they probably should (for their country's economy, I mean), what if they have to stop it after a couple of games when some players get infected? That'd be terrible for the football image.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18427 Posts
April 30 2020 08:26 GMT
#3456
On April 30 2020 17:13 WillyWanker wrote:
The difference with Germany is that they test everybody and they have much less deaths. So they're ahead of every other country in Europe and can take different measures.

Living in China, I can tell that a couple more months of being safe equals a lot less risks and almost no chance for a 2nd wave. Waiting for July/August to start having sports again isn't a bad thing, vaccine or not. The French league had to finish before end of August to allow for the next season to be completed. Let's not forget there's going to be a European Championship next June. And in France the TV rights went up BIG for next season, so if there's a season to sacrifice, it has to be the current one. I would have liked them not to go too fast to cancel it, they could have maybe finished it if things got better in a month, but they took the safe route and gave clubs a definitive answer which helps them organize themselves instead of speculating for weeks.

I think we'll know if it was a good decision later. Spain, Italy and England might want to restart soon but who knows if they actually will. Even if they take the risk, which they probably should (for their country's economy, I mean), what if they have to stop it after a couple of games when some players get infected? That'd be terrible for the football image.


But that only works under the assumption that next season will start normally and go on business like usual. Which it most definitely will not. Now France will need to use next season as a trial how to play under corona with all its problems. They have no concept, no idea what will happen, what will be the rules, etc.
Germany will have months of trial and error to figure that out
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
April 30 2020 10:37 GMT
#3457
Yes, but more time not getting more people infected = less risks. Germany might start and then cancel right after because of other issues (you basically have to test players, their families, friends, etc. and anybody involved). If they succeed, their protocol can be replicated in other places that have it worse than Germany right now. Someone has to be first, I guess, and Germany has the best situation out of all the major leagues.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 01 2020 21:43 GMT
#3458
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
May 01 2020 23:19 GMT
#3459
Aguero has a Twitch stream, no joke

and he is the most fun ever, he talks in spanish tho

twitch.tv/slakun10
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25530 Posts
May 02 2020 01:11 GMT
#3460
On May 02 2020 08:19 Faruko wrote:
Aguero has a Twitch stream, no joke

and he is the most fun ever, he talks in spanish tho

twitch.tv/slakun10

Damn, shame my Spanish sucks. We’ve never got much exposure to Aguero’s personality that much over the years because he doesn’t tend to speak much in English. I’m not sure if he’s like Tevez in not really speaking the language or just isn’t comfortable.

He’s appparently doing Spanish lessons for school kids as part of some BBC lockdown initiative so that’s all pretty cool.
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