EPTThis is all too weird.
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
This is all too weird. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6342 Posts
That ball is too inflated for a homeless guy. I call fake  | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On September 02 2015 15:25 Rebs wrote: Lol at principles. Not selling a player you couldnt get to extend his contract for decent money is bad business period. Whether you need the money or not. This is simply false. In this situation Madrid is guaranteed to have the player in a year, and United is guaranteed to lose the player. There is no possibility of the player going to any other club. So the only question is, who values having De Gea for this year only more? It would be bad business to sell a player for less than an additional years service would be worth, similarly it would be bad business to buy a player for more than an extra year is worth. Considering that no other world class keeper was available to United, and Madrid already has Navas, it could have been that both clubs are correct not to want to make a deal. | ||
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
On September 02 2015 19:02 zeo wrote: @smr That ball is too inflated for a homeless guy. I call fake I don't even care who that is... but my newest theory is that we're seeing a failed Januzaj-dive. Or it's Messi who tries new things to make a fool out of Boateng again. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8865 Posts
On September 02 2015 18:55 Faruko wrote: Now De Gea is considering a contract extension AND Real doesnt want him on january. This is all too weird. yay us | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On September 02 2015 19:57 Crushinator wrote: This is simply false. In this situation Madrid is guaranteed to have the player in a year, and United is guaranteed to lose the player. There is no possibility of the player going to any other club. So the only question is, who values having De Gea for this year only more? It would be bad business to sell a player for less than an additional years service would be worth, similarly it would be bad business to buy a player for more than an extra year is worth. Considering that no other world class keeper was available to United, and Madrid already has Navas, it could have been that both clubs are correct not to want to make a deal. There was a world class goalkeeper available in Navas. Dont think people really see him play much but he is very good.. De Gea is better sure and De Gea is good but 40 million + wages is not worth a years service. Sorry no player is worth that. Considering he might not even play. Oh and nothing is guaranteed. Other teams can also come into the fray once the player is free he can leverage whatever offers he gets. Plenty of teams will go for him and he can always play the "you guys fucked me card" and either stay or go somewhere else. Im wondering how your valuation system is working here because it would be somewhat intangible and arbitrary to say 40 mil in net assets is worth a years service from a Goalkeeper ? Simply false eh.. thats harsh. I already said Real will be fine, they havent suffered anything in footballing terms or money terms. They have no need to sign him, Its just an insult to Perez and no one cares about that so pointing that out is like saying the right shoe goes in the right foot. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
There is no reason to assume other teams will be in the race. De Gea seems happy at United apart from the whole thing about the girlfriend. United already offered him a huge contract, so I don't think money is an objection. THe simply false is referring to your point that a player in his last contract not being sold is always bad business, "period". It isn't when the value of the players contribution is greater than the value of his wages, and any offers. This isn't even taking into account the loss of stature that comes from selling your best players, or any number of factors that could swing the decision one way or the other. I'm not presenting a comprehensive model of player valuation, just making the case that your heuristic (players in their final contract year must either be sold or sign a new contract, period), is simplistic. I'm not saying that United is definitely making all the right decisions, just that they may be. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
Navas is good, no deniying, he is a cappable keeper, but im not sure he is UCL championship level kind of keeper like De Gea is. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Euro qualifiers in full flow now. England could wrap up first spot by this time next week  | ||
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lprk
Poland2249 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On September 02 2015 21:58 Crushinator wrote: THe simply false is referring to your point that a player in his last contract not being sold is always bad business, "period". It isn't when the value of the players contribution is greater than the value of his wages, and any offers. This isn't even taking into account the loss of stature that comes from selling your best players, or any number of factors that could swing the decision one way or the other. Yes but please find me an instance where keeping an unhappy player and no adequate preparation for the alternative match the benefit that 40 million and a viable solution to your keeping problems long term will bring. I dont see why one would need to prove that this was a good deal for Real. It was not. Deals can be good for one team and bad for another. In the absence of such evidence the scenario you are suggesting is just hypothetical conjecture. I am taking events that have transpired in the past into account. And ofcourse its simplistic, but you cant say that there are intangibles to consider and then have no value for said intangibles. And mind you I did consider them when making that statement and my thinking is that they tend to even out and the real difference is made by 1) Money 2) The fact that you can plan around a departure and make preparations to adequately replace. All this other shit like stature and image and such are bullshit from a footballing perspective. And no one will knock you if the decisions are made correctly. I mean are you really taking heart from the fact as a fan that you got to say "fuck you" to Real Madrid ? I mean its nice and all, but who cares if your teams performance suffers ? As far as loss of stature is concerned. They spent 200+ million in two years and their best signing so far is a little known Italian andthey have managed to look like idiots who cant get paperwork done properly. They are stuck with 3 keepers on payroll all of whom could play for top clubs, but have not solved their keeper problem. There is plenty of confusion and more questions than answers. All of which could have been put to bed. I think loss of stature is way worse and fan discontent would be through the roof, and it is. Also this is not a bad deal for Real at all and frankly I think they werent even that much of a rush. You want your keeper to be solid and ofcourse De Gea is that good, but if your keeper is spending that much time looking great, you arent a UCL caliber team anyway. Your keeper cant have that much to do if your a top team. Navas is well and truly a UCL level keeper. No he is not De Gea good but De Gea is not "spend 40 million when we can get him for free next year good either". Its just a PR rap to try and get him now because .. club politics. In all instances United would have benefited from this deal. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14128 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8865 Posts
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
On September 03 2015 12:12 Sermokala wrote: RM has always been about splashing the cash needlessly in order to get the best players at any position at the team and de gea fits that perfectly. not only is he one of the best at his position but hes Spanish as well spending 40m (a bit less with navas going the other way) really isn't much arguable for RM. A year without any trophies is a big deal as well for a club the size of RM in a league like spain where there really isn't that many clubs that are on their same level. This is the kind of deal that people will attribute to the success or failure of the club this year and may very well lead to rafa's firing in the end. Only if Navas plays badly. If Navas plays well and RM still doesn't win anything, this deal is irrelevant to the success or failure. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
Arsenal managed to drop way down in the list of most valuable clubs in just 4 years by only bargain hunting and being content with 4th place. United's fall would be even more painful, because Manchester isn't known to be a good place for rich people to live like London is. Apart from this, it would seem that it was Madrid that did the fucking up. Don't see how United can be blamed for Madrid's failure to send the documents in time. Madrid had all summer to make an acceptable bid. When they did make a good bid, it was accepted. Not saying that is definitely the whole story, but that is the information we have. Small chance, but I'll be laughing real hard if De Gea decides to sign a new contract because he's unhappy with Madrid's failure to get him. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On September 03 2015 13:18 evilfatsh1t wrote: i hope rebs doesnt go into the business industry Well for starters there is no such thing. Everybody is involved in business to some degree. I do alright. On September 03 2015 15:08 Crushinator wrote: I definitely think De Gea can be worth a lot to United, even for just a year. He can be the difference between a title challenge and another 4th place, or a decent run in the champions league or failure in the group stages. A competition like the UCL is exactly where making a single save can be the difference between winning it all, and going out early. Arsenal managed to drop way down in the list of most valuable clubs in just 4 years by only bargain hunting and being content with 4th place. United's fall would be even more painful, because Manchester isn't known to be a good place for rich people to live like London is. Apart from this, it would seem that it was Madrid that did the fucking up. Don't see how United can be blamed for Madrid's failure to send the documents in time. Madrid had all summer to make an acceptable bid. When they did make a good bid, it was accepted. Not saying that is definitely the whole story, but that is the information we have. Small chance, but I'll be laughing real hard if De Gea decides to sign a new contract because he's unhappy with Madrid's failure to get him. Perhaps but the gamble has to match the payoff. And the closest that came to happening was Lewi with Dortmund and even then the long term effects were pretty miserable the following season. Ofcourse not all of it was their inability to score but Dortmund had a god aweful year and no money to show for it after they took that gamble. I feel like clubs who hold onto players who want to leave especially with contracts winding down are in general doing a dis-service to themselves and their players. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8865 Posts
On September 03 2015 17:49 Rebs wrote: Well for starters there is no such thing. Everybody is involved in business to some degree. I do alright. haha yeah there isnt. no idea why i wrote it like that. you got the point though | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On September 03 2015 17:54 Pandemona wrote: Why didn't Lewandowski get this much fanfare when i was posting the exact same thing. Dortmund like ok we keeping this player, not selling him for £30million to Yanited going to let him go on a free to our mortal enemies. He then goes on to have his worst season at Dortmund since he joined them. Then leaves on a free to Bayern, Dortmund fans still think was right decision TT yeah but he still had a good season though, it wasnt a terrible season? They nearly won everything too but you see Dortmund is also a smaller team with a limited purse. So you kinda got it, I didnt agree with it considering the long term possibility but he practically raped RM by himself and got them to a couple of finals. Was it worth in the longer term you have to ask Dortmund fans. I think they will tell you it was but Im not so sure. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Was "terrible" compared to previous ones is what i going on, no it wasn't terrible if you compare it to most strikers xD Scored 28 goals in 47 games. Just was less than previous two seasons. But yeah, id always be forcing players out who do not want to play for the club when you can get money for them, good money at that. £19million AND Navas for De Gea? Erm ok where do i sign, should have been Yaniteds philosophy at 12:32 when they received the documents. Instead they dragged it out longer, probably to piss Madrid off some more to then try and bundle it through when it was to late. Oh well, could be worst, could be an Arsenal fan and sign no out field players at all this window | ||
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