EPTOn September 02 2015 05:50 GizmoPT wrote:
so united bought Martial for 80M wtf ? are they crazy ?
so united bought Martial for 80M wtf ? are they crazy ?
I don't know where you got 80M but its 26.6m in pounds and 41m in dollars.
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Sermokala
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I don't know where you got 80M but its 26.6m in pounds and 41m in dollars. | ||
Liquid`Drone
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so it can be 80 million euro, and the minimum price is more like $55mill | ||
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sneirac
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On September 02 2015 06:56 Sermokala wrote: I don't know where you got 80M but its 26.6m in pounds and 41m in dollars. 36m pounds (your number is 36m €) + 20m pounds bonuses more specific: €50m(£36m), plus €30m addons (€5m each time he is league top scorer up to 3 times, €5 if he wins Golden Ball, €10m if he wins Ballon D'or). | ||
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a) top scorer b) balon dor c) golden ball | ||
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Sermokala
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But yeah if the squiggly is for pounds instead of euro it makes much more sense. But EPL teams are going to pay more for the same player as bunde or la liga teams because of how much they rake in from tv deals. You have to go way down the list of EPL teams to find a lower financial strength then the third spanish or germen sides. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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monaco must have some serious faith in martial to do well seeing as they agreed on the clauses. or we got scammed hard and monaco was just happy to run away with 36m pounds and laugh at us also, i hope to see lvg put his balls where his mouth is and bench de gea until he signs a new contract for us. its a dick move but from a purely business standpoint, it is the right decision. de gea needs game time so he MUST play, and play well at that. we can just threaten to bench him because 'we dont want to develop someone whos just going to leave anyway'. he either sits on the bench and goes to rm next year with no games under his belt the previous season, or he can sign another contract and play for us. if rm really want him then theyll really have to overpay. otherwise we get to keep him. i dont want to see lvg back down and start using de gea because romero isnt good enough, seeing as he just got rid of half our squad, including some players who still had a role to play here. | ||
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On September 02 2015 10:06 GTR wrote: i literally do not know why he thought going in with rooney and wilson as the main strikers for at least the first half of the season was a good idea. It could be worse...your strike force could consist of a burnt-out Harry Kane. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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On September 02 2015 10:06 GTR wrote: i literally do not know why he thought going in with rooney and wilson as the main strikers for at least the first half of the season was a good idea. well we had chicharito too but he obviously wanted to leave and after the shocking game with brugge lvg wanted him out too. theres also januzaj who lvg fiddled with in strikers position and lvg himself said he was satisfied with the performance. and then he loans him out (????) fellaini who is our plan b tactic obviously i thought our striker department was fine tbh, until the last day when shit hit the fan and everyone left | ||
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On September 02 2015 09:29 evilfatsh1t wrote: lol wtf at those bonus clauses monaco must have some serious faith in martial to do well seeing as they agreed on the clauses. or we got scammed hard and monaco was just happy to run away with 36m pounds and laugh at us also, i hope to see lvg put his balls where his mouth is and bench de gea until he signs a new contract for us. its a dick move but from a purely business standpoint, it is the right decision. de gea needs game time so he MUST play, and play well at that. we can just threaten to bench him because 'we dont want to develop someone whos just going to leave anyway'. he either sits on the bench and goes to rm next year with no games under his belt the previous season, or he can sign another contract and play for us. if rm really want him then theyll really have to overpay. otherwise we get to keep him. i dont want to see lvg back down and start using de gea because romero isnt good enough, seeing as he just got rid of half our squad, including some players who still had a role to play here. He has to play, hes too good not to play. PL points are too valuable. And he will leave for peanuts in Jan now because now the leverage you had is gone. You can bench him sure but that will drop his market value further, and he well then go even cheaper or for free later. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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i dont know why people thought rm had the bargaining power in this deal. ive always thought man utd was in the driving seat. de gea hasnt handed in a transfer request, let alone say a word about his views on the transfer. on top of that, the money means nothing to the club. heck, we just spent 36m pounds on an unknown. this has always been a matter of principle. give us an offer at our valuation or we would rather let him walk for free. de gea walking out on a free isnt good for him because if he doesnt sign an extension then we have no reason to use him, therefore rm is at risk of de gea resigning a contract with us. rm waiting out the contract isnt good either, since they clearly want de gea now and navas is going to be unhappy about the situation. not to mention all the shit the club is going to get from the fans. also, if the rumours are true about rm's potential transfer ban, then theyre fked now since this was effectively their last window to get shit done. going in jan is probably not going to work out because navas and de gea will be cl tied by then. and even when january comes and de gea's market value has dropped, man utd still wont budge unless rm matches our initial valuation. tldr : even if man utd lose de gea for nothing, we piss off rm and its dressing room and could potentially put a dent in de gea's international career. its pretty clear rm and de gea are the ones who will be feeling the pressure, not man utd | ||
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On September 02 2015 13:06 evilfatsh1t wrote: what leverage is gone? i dont know why people thought rm had the bargaining power in this deal. ive always thought man utd was in the driving seat. de gea hasnt handed in a transfer request, let alone say a word about his views on the transfer. on top of that, the money means nothing to the club. heck, we just spent 36m pounds on an unknown. this has always been a matter of principle. give us an offer at our valuation or we would rather let him walk for free. de gea walking out on a free isnt good for him because if he doesnt sign an extension then we have no reason to use him, therefore rm is at risk of de gea resigning a contract with us. rm waiting out the contract isnt good either, since they clearly want de gea now and navas is going to be unhappy about the situation. not to mention all the shit the club is going to get from the fans. also, if the rumours are true about rm's potential transfer ban, then theyre fked now since this was effectively their last window to get shit done. going in jan is probably not going to work out because navas and de gea will be cl tied by then. and even when january comes and de gea's market value has dropped, man utd still wont budge unless rm matches our initial valuation. tldr : even if man utd lose de gea for nothing, we piss off rm and its dressing room and could potentially put a dent in de gea's international career. its pretty clear rm and de gea are the ones who will be feeling the pressure, not man utd Thats a very optimistic way of looking at this. It also alludes to perhaps the sort of thinking thats brought the club to where it is. Your trying to strong arm a guy who wants to leave. When in the past has that ever worked for any team ? "Re sign with us or we bench you and try to destroy your career. because someone didnt do the paperwork" I sincerely doubt De Gea will re-sign after all thats happened. Your just looking at a Bosman at best if you dont lose him for a cut price. No play time means his market value will remain pretty stagnant, because the circumstances of him not playing have nothing to do with is form. If anything with all the potential suitors that will pop up if hes cheaper or free, his personal terms will get higher since there is no transfer money or a lower sum involved later. Thats a pretty major consideration, even though his heart seems pretty set on RM> Navas will play well, I know that for sure. Ive seen him for the past 2 odd years and hes solid. They dont need De Gea. Perez does. If United is ok with him leaving for free then thats quite irresponsible, whether you need the money or not. 250 million net spend is absurd for a team that for large parts looked second best to Swansea City last weekend. This idea that pissing of RM is some kind of coup or victory is ridiculous. That RM is some kind of bully that tries to steal players from other teams is ludicrous. No one makes that comparison when smaller teams have their squads picked apart. Its only when one big team takes a player from another big team that the whine factory starts churning. Also transfer bans arent going to be a thing for now. Most teams have solid workarounds in place already. Otherwise City wouldnt be buying like crazy like they are now. The kind of leverage your talking about is what you seen in teen drama's not professional organizations. Then again both teams have idiot management so I dont know, maybe thats true. But it would be shocking to find that a legitimate factor. Honestly De Gea has handled this reallyyy well. As far as I'm concerned let them fuck around. But I do feel in terms of performances United will suffer more. Quote me at the end of the year, I know I will. And the funny thing is, it wasnt even a bad deal. Sell for 25, get a guy worth around 15. 40 million was a solid sale for a keeper with 1 year left on a contract. Ooh just got a notification on my phone. Some thoughts from some peeps.. http://www.espnfc.com/story/2592661/man-united-respond-to-real-madrid-with-david-de-gea-details | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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perez needing de gea is exactly why man utd has the upper hand. we dont need de gea as much as perez does, simple as that. and for a club of man utd's stature, letting de gea go for free is much better than letting rm take de gea for a joke of a price. football club or not, it is a business and for a long time now rm has taken man utds best players at good prices while overcharging for people like adm. to put it bluntly, man utd has been rm's bitch for a while now and its about time the club made a statement telling perez to go fk himself. as i said before, this is more about principle than money. whether the deal goes through or not, both clubs' squad strengths will remain relatively the same and we both know the fee is penny pinching for clubs like man utd and rm. to me the clubs put their pride at stake on this transfer and in the end man utd came out on top. as for the link you posted, its just the clubs official statement from the official website. and tbh as much as i want to defend man utd and say they did nothing wrong, i would not put it past woodward to have fked the deal up on purpose. just because these are 'professional organisations' doesnt mean theres no drama or some underhanded shit going on. if rm made a bid a day earlier the transfer would have gone through because man utd would not be able to make an excuse as to why the paperwork wasnt processed, but since the bid came last minute man utd could easily say rm fked up and the deal fell through (as they stated in the official statement) and get what they ultimately wanted, which was to keep de gea. if i was woodward and i had the backing of massive business like man utd then its what i would have done. i probably am looking into it too much, but i dont think this scenario is out of the question. the clubs are in fact businesses with real businessmen making the decisions. other factors such as club image and stature will definitely come into play and i think it has here. man utd has been getting bullied in the transfer market not just by rm, but by pretty much everyone we try to buy from. for a club with such a massive fanbase and financial power, it hurts the club's image to constantly sell cheap and buy expensive. i trust woodward to be a pretty damn good businessman since hes the fking ceo and hes landed some pretty good deals in his time here, so i think he would have attempted to show people man utd's strength in the business world. we all know how corrupt shit is nowadays especially with fifa, so i wouldnt put it past a big business like man utd to buy the backing of the fa and make it look like they did nothing wrong. like i just said i could be forcing all this together but its only because if i was in woodwards position this is exactly what i would have done. | ||
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On September 02 2015 15:02 evilfatsh1t wrote: when i say rm i mean perez. perez is rm lol I strooooooongly disagree. Lol. | ||
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On September 02 2015 15:02 evilfatsh1t wrote: as for the link you posted, its just the clubs official statement from the official website. You were supposed to watch the video, thats the discussion. I didnt even read the article Most big clubs sell cheap and buy expensively. Lol at principles. Not selling a player you couldnt get to extend his contract for decent money is bad business period. Whether you need the money or not. Sticking to guns is nice and all but right now the both clubs image is that of a bunch of jokers who cant put pencil to paper properly. So much for image. Here is what is going on in my head, its just conjecture but why not, its all good fun. -De Gea wants to leave, United were sorta kinda ok with selling him but didnt really care. -Real want him cuz Perez wants him for presidency reasons, Casillas debacle, heir apparent yadda yadaa yadaa. They do not need him for footballing ones. -The move got scuppered because both parties didnt really give enough of shit. Navas probably didnt want to go either. Real lacked as much interest as United did in selling him. But unhappy players are not good for any team. Its bad for your team, its bad for your clubs image and frankly as far as principle go its a dick move which in of itself is not a problem if it was actually for a good reason. Making stands and all is nice but being obstinate about the wrongs things puts you into Arsene Wenger territory of fail. De Gea will play. He practically carried that team to top 4 last season. United fans were creaming their pj/'s in their sleep dreaming about him. Lets not make any bones about that. Van Gaal does have a tendency to do things his way and bad blood is something that he has a history with in all his teams so that might be something that doesnt happen but I doubt it. Who is this bad for ? Maybe De Gea. Possibly United. Real Madrid as a club will be fine, perhaps even better of without Perez so I dont see the problem there. United will have an unhappy player but he will still be a boss. I would be disappointed if his levels dipped because he was upset. But ofcourse its a possibility. In that case he's fucked and I feel bad for him. Real will still take him regardless. If his form drops then hes worth less and Real will take him by passing it off as him being unhappy and now that hes at the place he wants to be he will be stellar. PR problem solved. The best value United can get out of him is if he plays at the highest level. The fact remains whether he plays well or not someone at the end of their contract will get cheaper, especially when its decided that the other team wants him. One way or another he will go to Real. Letting him leave for free because of some warped principle is the stupidest thing I can imagine. You dont challenge conventional wisdom to maintain your image. Thats just lol. Like even with Lewi and Dortmund one was skeptical, but it made sense for football reasons, and he really did deliver. His output was well worth whatever they lost on him. PL spends be cray cray https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/638761844392525825/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw | ||
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