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Netherlands6192 Posts
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On February 28 2018 14:48 decafchicken wrote: I train 5-6 days a week, 2-3 hours at a time. And usually an extra hour doing mobility/recovery during lunch. Still find time for rugby, work, social life. I do pretty much plan my day around getting my workout in. That's actually kinda crazy, unless you're a student or sleepless elite. I'm going to assume rugby amounts to at least an hour a day, which means (unless you only go out on Fri/Sat/Sun and sacrifice sleep for it), you're basically finding 4-5 hours a day + work + social time. That's hard to imagine. Work presumably eats at least 9 hours, and that's assuming an efficient commute, no work breaks, etc. If you use your lunch break for mobility stuff, I do suppose that helps that 9 hour figure to be realistic. Still, that leaves you with 16-9= 7 hours in the day of which you spend 4-6 of them doing your training + rugby, which leaves you with 1-3 hours of "free time". No way can you eat/shower/clean/dress yourself in less than one hour a day, and that's probably a little optimistic, which leaves you with somewhere between one to two hours to be social; and that includes the driving time to get there. Seems hard unless you've just a low hour job or are one of the blessed sleepless elite that can cruise on 4 hours a night. On February 28 2018 23:13 zatic wrote: This just doesn't add up to me ![]() The only way to fit in more is cutting into sleep, but then I might just as well reduce workouts. More workout with less sleep doesn't ... work out for me. Done at 7pm is pretty late. For someone doing a 'generic' 40 hours/week that means you'd probably be starting work around 10am. If you're regularling going into work at 7-8am in the morning and staying till 7pm...then yea you're working some serious hours and it gets pretty hard to work in all those things around a 60-80 hour work week. For a typical 40 hour a week person it might look like: 5:45am - Wake up 6:00am - Gym Smash 8:00am - Food/Shower/Ready to go to work 9:00am - Work 6:00pm - Dinner 6:30pm - Hobbies/Social/Whatever 10:00pm - Sleep For a college student with 15 credits and 20 hours a week part time it might look something like: 8:00am - Wake up, breakfast 9:00am - Class/Work 5:30pm - Gym Smash 7:30pm - Eat, shower, get ready for social things 8:00pm - House Party & Clubbsssss 12:00-2:00am - Drunkenly stagger in door and pass out in the kitchen But yea, once you start to hit 60 hours a week for work, or god forbid something crazy like 80...then you pretty much have to do the "pick two" of social, work, fitness/hobbies. Weekends can be the savior though. If you take two training days on a weekend, that gives you at least two days during the week where you can go out . In your example, it might also make sense to go socializing out after work, more in the 6-9 time frame, hit the gym afterwords, and then to bed. | ||
L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On March 01 2018 04:21 mordek wrote: Got a little scare after straining my pec today. No fun. I only get about 5 hours a week in the gym lol. Ugh. Is it okay? Injuries are the worst. Still not totally sure about my lat. I'm gonna test on Friday and still deadlift (not direct lat work obv, but is still involved) and then I think take a week off, time for a deload anyway, and then work back up to it from basically nothing and hope I just never notice any problems on the way back up. | ||
Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On February 28 2018 08:32 L_Master wrote: Perhaps I'm not understanding, but why would you have only one major lift on 5 day split vs 3 day? Seems like you can pretty easily have a three day split that looks like: Monday - Deadlift Wed - Bench Fri - Skwaat Comparing apples to oranges a bit here, but my usual workout would be like 3x5 @85%. Some sample weights for my current program would be 4x5 at 60/65/75/75%. | ||
mordek
United States12704 Posts
On March 01 2018 06:17 L_Master wrote: Ugh. Is it okay? Injuries are the worst. Still not totally sure about my lat. I'm gonna test on Friday and still deadlift (not direct lat work obv, but is still involved) and then I think take a week off, time for a deload anyway, and then work back up to it from basically nothing and hope I just never notice any problems on the way back up. We'll see, I racked the rep I was doing and just called it. Still sore now but it doesn't feel super serious but I think if I tried to bench I'd definitely hurt myself. | ||
decafchicken
United States19938 Posts
On March 01 2018 06:16 L_Master wrote: That's actually kinda crazy, unless you're a student or sleepless elite. I'm going to assume rugby amounts to at least an hour a day, which means (unless you only go out on Fri/Sat/Sun and sacrifice sleep for it), you're basically finding 4-5 hours a day + work + social time. That's hard to imagine. Work presumably eats at least 9 hours, and that's assuming an efficient commute, no work breaks, etc. If you use your lunch break for mobility stuff, I do suppose that helps that 9 hour figure to be realistic. Still, that leaves you with 16-9= 7 hours in the day of which you spend 4-6 of them doing your training + rugby, which leaves you with 1-3 hours of "free time". No way can you eat/shower/clean/dress yourself in less than one hour a day, and that's probably a little optimistic, which leaves you with somewhere between one to two hours to be social; and that includes the driving time to get there. Seems hard unless you've just a low hour job or are one of the blessed sleepless elite that can cruise on 4 hours a night. Done at 7pm is pretty late. For someone doing a 'generic' 40 hours/week that means you'd probably be starting work around 10am. If you're regularling going into work at 7-8am in the morning and staying till 7pm...then yea you're working some serious hours and it gets pretty hard to work in all those things around a 60-80 hour work week. For a typical 40 hour a week person it might look like: 5:45am - Wake up 6:00am - Gym Smash 8:00am - Food/Shower/Ready to go to work 9:00am - Work 6:00pm - Dinner 6:30pm - Hobbies/Social/Whatever 10:00pm - Sleep For a college student with 15 credits and 20 hours a week part time it might look something like: 8:00am - Wake up, breakfast 9:00am - Class/Work 5:30pm - Gym Smash 7:30pm - Eat, shower, get ready for social things 8:00pm - House Party & Clubbsssss 12:00-2:00am - Drunkenly stagger in door and pass out in the kitchen But yea, once you start to hit 60 hours a week for work, or god forbid something crazy like 80...then you pretty much have to do the "pick two" of social, work, fitness/hobbies. Weekends can be the savior though. If you take two training days on a weekend, that gives you at least two days during the week where you can go out . In your example, it might also make sense to go socializing out after work, more in the 6-9 time frame, hit the gym afterwords, and then to bed. I generally keep my work around 40-45 hrs/week MWF: 12-7 sleep 8-12 work 12-1 gym (mostly mobility, recovery, rehab work) 1-5 work 5-8gym 8-12 shop/cook/girlfriend/go out/etc. Tues & Thurs is same but I cut back my workout to 5-630 then go to rugby 7-9 Saturday - lift in morning or play rugby, then rest of the day for errands/social life. Sunday - rest, socialize, prep for the week. I am definitely never bored nor do I have much free time to do stuff outside that schedule and get fairly annoyed when I have to run errands and shit that fuck my schedule up. When I can work from home it makes things a lot easier too. | ||
Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On March 01 2018 14:45 Jerubaal wrote: My brother got a stress fracture in his sternum and appears to be fucked for life. That sounds pretty shitty. Why is this a fucked for life thing though? Most sfx you can take time off, often an agonizing several months to a year, let it heal, and then return to sport as normal. Googling suggests this is a common approach, and that athletes have returned to competitive levels within a year. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15313 Posts
On March 01 2018 06:16 L_Master wrote: Done at 7pm is pretty late. For someone doing a 'generic' 40 hours/week that means you'd probably be starting work around 10am. If you're regularling going into work at 7-8am in the morning and staying till 7pm...then yea you're working some serious hours and it gets pretty hard to work in all those things around a 60-80 hour work week. For a typical 40 hour a week person it might look like: [....] But yea, once you start to hit 60 hours a week for work, or god forbid something crazy like 80...then you pretty much have to do the "pick two" of social, work, fitness/hobbies. Weekends can be the savior though. If you take two training days on a weekend, that gives you at least two days during the week where you can go out . In your example, it might also make sense to go socializing out after work, more in the 6-9 time frame, hit the gym afterwords, and then to bed. Oh for sure work is the time killer here for me. My day is more 6:30am Get up, breakfast 7:30am ish workday until 7pm ish 7:30pm gym 9pm dinner 10pm GF, study, reading 12pm sleepy time I know what I am in for and I am getting compensated for it so I am not complaining. As you say though it means social life is a weekend thing most of the time. I am usually thinking though that people would lose more time to work that strictly 8h, especially considering commuting (of which I have close to zero). If you can stay within reason on your work hours AND have very little to commute then I suppose you can fit a lot more into one day, sure. | ||
farvacola
United States18819 Posts
5 wake 5:30-7:30 gym 8-5 work 5:30-6 dinner 9-5 sleep | ||
Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On March 01 2018 16:43 L_Master wrote: That sounds pretty shitty. Why is this a fucked for life thing though? Most sfx you can take time off, often an agonizing several months to a year, let it heal, and then return to sport as normal. Googling suggests this is a common approach, and that athletes have returned to competitive levels within a year. He doesn't even really lift, but, every time he tries to lift, he reinjures it. It's not like you can put a cast on it or something. | ||
L_Master
United States8017 Posts
Pretty satisfied overall with the results...aside from my comedic untrained squat. Think I'm going to go ahead and start actually squatting now, even if it means I can only get in 2-3 solid workouts a week on the bike. That part is embarrassing. More thoughts on video description. Did not realize how awkward I am dropping the weight after a deadlift. Have to fix that for the camera ![]() Lifts from my friends: + Show Spoiler + The first guy is honestly kinda crazy. He's been in the gym twice. Sedentary guy. Almost benches 185. | ||
mordek
United States12704 Posts
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farvacola
United States18819 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4719 Posts
On March 03 2018 17:38 L_Master wrote: Had some fun getting after it at our little mock meet today. Need to remember to film widescreen lol https://youtu.be/QKGhwzlcr2w Pretty satisfied overall with the results...aside from my comedic untrained squat. Think I'm going to go ahead and start actually squatting now, even if it means I can only get in 2-3 solid workouts a week on the bike. That part is embarrassing. More thoughts on video description. Did not realize how awkward I am dropping the weight after a deadlift. Have to fix that for the camera ![]() Lifts from my friends: + Show Spoiler + The first guy is honestly kinda crazy. He's been in the gym twice. Sedentary guy. Almost benches 185. You made some really nice progress in the Bench and the Deadlift, especially the Deadlift. Just some things to note for your first real competition (as I recall you wanted to do one): Squat: I don't think this is below parallel. Bench: In most federations there will probably be a 'Press' command in the competition (like your friend did on one of your attempts). The barbell has to be motionless on your chest before the referee gives the command. So you should do some singles with 1-2sec pauses to train for that. Deadlift: In IPF, you are not allowed to drop your Deadlift like that. You need to hold onto the bar until it is controlled back on the ground. I jope this doesn't come off douchy, I am just trying to help so that you can prepaire yourself accordingly. | ||
decafchicken
United States19938 Posts
On March 06 2018 00:41 Malinor wrote: You made some really nice progress in the Bench and the Deadlift, especially the Deadlift. Just some things to note for your first real competition (as I recall you wanted to do one): Squat: I don't think this is below parallel. Bench: In most federations there will probably be a 'Press' command in the competition (like your friend did on one of your attempts). The barbell has to be motionless on your chest before the referee gives the command. So you should do some singles with 1-2sec pauses to train for that. Deadlift: In IPF, you are not allowed to drop your Deadlift like that. You need to hold onto the bar until it is controlled back on the ground. I jope this doesn't come off douchy, I am just trying to help so that you can prepaire yourself accordingly. Did we watch the same squat? Lol looked good to me | ||
L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On March 06 2018 02:44 decafchicken wrote: Did we watch the same squat? Lol looked good to me The first two would have been red lighted I think. The last one I'm pretty confident was deep enough. From both feel and video, it was noticeably deeper than the first two. I didn't know that about the deadlift, guess I won't make a habit of doing that. As for the bench, the first one he gave the command the second one her forgot, and the third one I think he also forgot. I tried to take a conscious pause, but I guess when you really want to hit the weight what feels like a solid 1s pause at the bottom is almost constant motion in actuality ![]() If I can get that squat up towards 3 plates, and confident I can go to depth and execute a good squat I'll be ready to do a competition. Likely that would be sometime around the September/October timeframe. Competing is always fun, and gives you that extra motivation to nail your training and keep it focused. | ||
Malinor
Germany4719 Posts
On March 06 2018 02:44 decafchicken wrote: Did we watch the same squat? Lol looked good to me 3rd one was probably deep, I agree. But with strict judges would have been red for downward motion (in IPF). It shouldnt happen in a local meet, but You never know... as you have experienced with your press outs in the last meet. For squats, I am rather on the strict side ![]() | ||
L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On March 07 2018 06:41 Malinor wrote: 3rd one was probably deep, I agree. But with strict judges would have been red for downward motion (in IPF). It shouldnt happen in a local meet, but You never know... as you have experienced with your press outs in the last meet. For squats, I am rather on the strict side ![]() What is downward motion? I don't think I know that rule, and missing shit because you don't know the rules and haven't ingrained them would not be good. Secondary question, more general training, any recommendations for what I should do training in a cut to minimize muscle loss; or should I just train similar to normal as long as I can recover? | ||
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