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IgnE
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y0su
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On September 03 2016 06:44 phyre112 wrote: Bodybuilding leg days suck. Calves are my least favorite muscle on my entire body. Getting rid of leg "days" helped my gym mentality! + Show Spoiler + Power cleans + some form of squats are part of every gym "day". I'll vary the intensity depending on the rest of the week's schedule. | ||
zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On September 03 2016 09:06 y0su wrote: Getting rid of leg "days" helped my gym mentality! + Show Spoiler + Power cleans + some form of squats are part of every gym "day". I'll vary the intensity depending on the rest of the week's schedule. I haven't had "leg days" in probably two years. I was previously doing a Texas method variation with either squats or a deadlift four days a week. Just felt like I wanted something different, so I'm doing this now. @igne I'm just throwing them at he end of my workout, I don't actually care much about them but again - I was lookin for something different, and this is part of different. | ||
IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On September 03 2016 09:35 zulu_nation8 wrote: Dumb question but I've been using one of those ab crunch machines and have felt more sore than doing crunches/leg raises, are they better/as good? Could I just use those and not do traditional ab exercises? I don't work abs a lot anyways. ![]() I'm sure they make you better at doing crunches on machines. | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On September 02 2016 13:03 Jerubaal wrote: Ok, so this guy has pretty horrible organization and layout, but, based on what I think he's saying... He starts off by describing a fairly common phenomenon: Someone has cut calories (allegedly) and probably added in some exercise, but they are not seeing much in the way of results. His conclusion? You must be lying. Not lying really, but basically stupid. Now I'm quite sure that this happens. I'm sure that plenty of people miscount or just don't know. But that argument is actually monumental. Because if we are going to believe him, then we aren't just saying a few people do this. We're saying that almost everyone who tries a calorie restricted diet does this, because almost everyone who tries it fails. I don't have a problem with admitting this possibility as a methodological problem, but the problem comes when researchers test low calorie diets and say: "We know low calorie diets work (hurr durr 1st Law of Thermodynamics), therefore they must be lying. Call up NIH and get another 10 million for yet another wash, rinse and repeat." This has basically been the last 50 years of nutritional science. Now he gives us a lot of interesting information, but then he basically says none of it matters. -Metabolism slows as you lose weight. Interesting, but fairly irrelevant unless you are losing a large amount of weight. His mistake though is thinking that this is the only mechanism that contributes to calorie input/output. He says right there what we all know...if you're on a calorie restriction, you are going to have less energy. It's like the reverse of the dinner party story. If I had a child that I wanted to keep very still and inactive, how would I do that? I'd underfeed them. Telling people to eat less and exercise more seems like a losing proposition from that angle. -I also think he's misevaluating homeostasis. He's talking about a car that changes its speed based on how much fuel it has, but what if it's a car that wants to stay at the same speed no matter how much fuel it has. He says that if you're using the same amount of energy metabolically, you must be consuming the same amount. But what if the body was diverting energy or was getting energy from somewhere else? I think it's really telling that his starvation subjects still had 5% bodyfat. They had lost 25% of their total mass and yet still weren't in body builder fat range. Where was the mass going? The body was cannibalizing itself. So even if the body is getting into massive panic mode, it still hasn't used a sizeable portion of its fat reserve. -The section on food density and hyper palatibility is kind of dumb. Does anyone really think that an apple has less calories than a donut? This also contradicts his more reasonable point that people don't know that "natural" foods like fruits have an excessive amount of calories, especially when consumed as juice. Yeah, we aren't eating straight table sugar, but we aren't eating a combination of sugar, fat and salt in a big ball either. These things don't taste good by themselves, they make other things taste better. There are lots of "hyperpalatible" sugar only things. I can't really think of any fat only "hyperpalatible" things. Are there any foods that they add fat to? Really just trans fats. It's sad because he has all the facts there, he just doesn't put two and two together. To him, though, fat accumulation is just a calorie equation, so if reality doesn't fit his theory, it will have to be changed. but he thinks Snickers is the best, so pretty cool guy | ||
Aerisky
United States12128 Posts
On September 02 2016 03:27 GoTuNk! wrote: Are you lifting heavy weights regularly? And putting weight on the bar? For some people it's harder, but putting on muscle mass is essentially lifting more in the compound lifts over time, doing some accesory work and getting enough protein and PWO carbs. It is that simple. Yeah I've been doing 5 by 5 bench/squat/row + deadlift/shoulder press/pullup (only 1 set of 5 reps for my deadlift work set, and 3 sets of 8 full-hang neutral grip pullups) and slowly gaining in how much I can lift. Completely missed my lifting goals though for this summer, and haven't been able to go up nearly as much weight as I planned. Right now it's only like 100 lbs bench, 140 lbs squat, 75 lbs row, 180 lbs deadlift, 60 lbs overhead press. I would consider myself a noob lifter too, and I'm 5'10" 123 lbs so I feel like I should be able to gain weight quickly but it hasn't been happening. I've been lifting for a while (would go consistently for first couple months each semester for the last two years, but this summer I went consistently throughout) and have pretty decent form. On September 02 2016 04:56 phyre112 wrote: Your friends are probably eating snacks in between those 3 meals and you aren't (or moreso than you are.). It's absolutely astounding the amount of calories the average person gets from snacking in between meals without realizing it. If you're really serious about gaining weight, get a food scale and start a log (MFP or on paper.) I've been "gaining weight" for years (seven years now), but when I'm not tracking and just eat intuitively, my weight stagnates for six to eight months at a time, then I get serious and start tracking and it jumps up 10 pounds in 10-15 weeks like I want it to, until I get lazy again. Every single time it happens that way. Even if I'm "trying to eat more" while not tracking, I sit within a +/-4 pound range (based on salt/water/carbs) until I do decide to track. I dunno, over the summer I would probably eat like a bag of potato chips+beef jerky or a clif bar, a soda, like a bottle of odwalla/naked juice, maybe some red vines, and an apple or something. I didn't exactly track though so yeah, maybe that's it--overestimating how much I ate. Most of my friends don't really eat more than a couple snacks a day during school because we don't go out of our way to buy any, but because the company at which I interned had snacks and shit, I ate a lot over the summer. | ||
IgnE
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Garbels
Austria653 Posts
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
I dunno, over the summer I would probably eat like a bag of potato chips210 calories + beef jerky 510 calories or a clif bar 260 calories, a soda, like a bottle of odwalla/naked juice 0-200 calories, maybe some red vines wat r those , and an apple or something. 30-70 calories I didn't exactly track though so yeah, maybe that's it--overestimating how much I ate. Most of my friends don't really eat more than a couple snacks a day during school because we don't go out of our way to buy any, but because the company at which I interned had snacks and shit, I ate a lot over the summer. grand total (assuming personal size bag of chips and you ate a whole bag of beef jerky) 900-1k calories. If you're trying to gain weight, you're at LEAST 2k short. | ||
Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
On September 03 2016 09:35 zulu_nation8 wrote: Dumb question but I've been using one of those ab crunch machines and have felt more sore than doing crunches/leg raises, are they better/as good? Could I just use those and not do traditional ab exercises? I don't work abs a lot anyways. ![]() Pretty sure they are worse but that depends on what your goal is. If your goal is to only work out abs and not have the functionality that leg raises/L-sits/other ab excersises where you move your body instead of having a fixed motion then go for it. "Normal" ab work builds core stability, crunch machines just isolates the movement/rectus abdominis. | ||
y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On September 04 2016 17:12 IgnE wrote: Yooooooo a 123 lb 5'10" man who says he "eats a lot" just makes me facepalm. You're doing it wrong man. sad but true. An easy starter snack is a PBJ washed down with chocolate milk. Don't let it affect your regular meals. | ||
Aerisky
United States12128 Posts
On September 04 2016 19:36 phyre112 wrote: grand total (assuming personal size bag of chips and you ate a whole bag of beef jerky) 900-1k calories. If you're trying to gain weight, you're at LEAST 2k short. This is between meals--thankfully my diet consists of more than just junk food. Red vines are basically sugar sticks (licorice). Sorry for being unclear, I was responding to you mentioning that most people are eating a lot of snacks between meals so that was just about the snacks I had. I would put it at closer to 600-800 calories per day since I wouldn't eat quite that much beef jerky and wouldn't generally eat all of those snacks each day. On September 05 2016 10:39 y0su wrote: sad but true. An easy starter snack is a PBJ washed down with chocolate milk. Don't let it affect your regular meals. I'd drink milk or eat PBJs etc but I'm allergic to dairy, egg, nuts, fish, shellfish. So my starter (before first meal) was soy milk or OJ or other misc juice + beef jerky. On September 04 2016 17:12 IgnE wrote: Yooooooo a 123 lb 5'10" man who says he "eats a lot" just makes me facepalm. You're doing it wrong man. Yeah I should keep track of my actual calories. Probably going to be eating a lot less during school though thanks to lack of access to free snacks. | ||
y0su
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Ehzera
Singapore212 Posts
![]() First day of lifting close to 2 years ago and now. Was ~88kg at the start and since then my weight has gone to 80 and as high as 94 at May this year. Right pic is a few days ago, morning weight at 84kg. Not sure whether to keep cutting to abs or start bulking? Really wanna move up to the u90 weight class soon | ||
Jerubaal
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On September 05 2016 22:04 Ehzera wrote: ![]() First day of lifting close to 2 years ago and now. Was ~88kg at the start and since then my weight has gone to 80 and as high as 94 at May this year. Right pic is a few days ago, morning weight at 84kg. Not sure whether to keep cutting to abs or start bulking? Really wanna move up to the u90 weight class soon Nice. Keep adding weight. You are close enough to abs that you can get them pretty easily if you needed them. But you'd lose a lot of your frame outline if you did it now. | ||
Aerisky
United States12128 Posts
On September 05 2016 17:16 y0su wrote: I can see dietary restrictions like that making it rather difficult to easily gain weight. Might consider adding a 4th meal if you can't hit between them as efficiently. Especially with jerky being relatively expensive (by weight). Oh yeah, that makes sense. ![]() On September 06 2016 01:08 Jerubaal wrote: @aerisky- What's your bodyfat percentage? And did you tell us your lifting program? I'm not sure, never had it evaluated, but I think it's pretty low. It's probably not a very precise indication of body fat, but you used to be able to see my ribs very clearly and shit. They're still pretty defined :/ As for lifting program, I currently have a 2-day split, 3 days a week total. Was doing 4 days a week during summer but less time now. On one day I do bench (100 lbs), squat (140 lbs), row (75 lbs); and on the other day I do deadlift (180 lbs), overhead press (60 lbs), and 3 sets of 8 reps of neutral grip pullups from a full hang. 5 by 5 on everything except deadlift (1 work set of 5 reps) and pullups (as mentioned). @ehzera holy shit dude, ur a tank :O | ||
IgnE
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On September 06 2016 04:27 IgnE wrote: You should be eating like 2000 calories of chicken and rice a day Aerisky on top of your snacks. Easy to digest. Easy to get 150g protein in. You need to be measuring this. At least a full pound of chicken for dinner with a huge plate of rice. Put whatever sauces on it that you want to make it palatable. I do ground beef and rice when I'm trying to gain weight, chicken or fish when I'm not. | ||
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