TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 - Page 127

On September 03 2016 06:44 phyre112 wrote:
Bodybuilding leg days suck.

Calves are my least favorite muscle on my entire body.

On September 03 2016 09:06 y0su wrote:

Getting rid of leg "days" helped my gym mentality!
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On September 03 2016 09:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Dumb question but I've been using one of those ab crunch machines and have felt more sore than doing crunches/leg raises, are they better/as good? Could I just use those and not do traditional ab exercises? I don't work abs a lot anyways.

On September 02 2016 13:03 Jerubaal wrote:
Ok, so this guy has pretty horrible organization and layout, but, based on what I think he's saying...

He starts off by describing a fairly common phenomenon: Someone has cut calories (allegedly) and probably added in some exercise, but they are not seeing much in the way of results. His conclusion? You must be lying. Not lying really, but basically stupid. Now I'm quite sure that this happens. I'm sure that plenty of people miscount or just don't know. But that argument is actually monumental. Because if we are going to believe him, then we aren't just saying a few people do this. We're saying that almost everyone who tries a calorie restricted diet does this, because almost everyone who tries it fails. I don't have a problem with admitting this possibility as a methodological problem, but the problem comes when researchers test low calorie diets and say: "We know low calorie diets work (hurr durr 1st Law of Thermodynamics), therefore they must be lying. Call up NIH and get another 10 million for yet another wash, rinse and repeat." This has basically been the last 50 years of nutritional science.

Now he gives us a lot of interesting information, but then he basically says none of it matters.

-Metabolism slows as you lose weight. Interesting, but fairly irrelevant unless you are losing a large amount of weight. His mistake though is thinking that this is the only mechanism that contributes to calorie input/output. He says right there what we all know...if you're on a calorie restriction, you are going to have less energy. It's like the reverse of the dinner party story. If I had a child that I wanted to keep very still and inactive, how would I do that? I'd underfeed them. Telling people to eat less and exercise more seems like a losing proposition from that angle.

-I also think he's misevaluating homeostasis. He's talking about a car that changes its speed based on how much fuel it has, but what if it's a car that wants to stay at the same speed no matter how much fuel it has. He says that if you're using the same amount of energy metabolically, you must be consuming the same amount. But what if the body was diverting energy or was getting energy from somewhere else? I think it's really telling that his starvation subjects still had 5% bodyfat. They had lost 25% of their total mass and yet still weren't in body builder fat range. Where was the mass going? The body was cannibalizing itself. So even if the body is getting into massive panic mode, it still hasn't used a sizeable portion of its fat reserve.

-The section on food density and hyper palatibility is kind of dumb. Does anyone really think that an apple has less calories than a donut? This also contradicts his more reasonable point that people don't know that "natural" foods like fruits have an excessive amount of calories, especially when consumed as juice. Yeah, we aren't eating straight table sugar, but we aren't eating a combination of sugar, fat and salt in a big ball either. These things don't taste good by themselves, they make other things taste better. There are lots of "hyperpalatible" sugar only things. I can't really think of any fat only "hyperpalatible" things. Are there any foods that they add fat to? Really just trans fats.

It's sad because he has all the facts there, he just doesn't put two and two together. To him, though, fat accumulation is just a calorie equation, so if reality doesn't fit his theory, it will have to be changed.

I dunno, over the summer I would probably eat like a bag of potato chips210 calories + beef jerky 510 calories or a clif bar 260 calories, a soda, like a bottle of odwalla/naked juice 0-200 calories, maybe some red vines wat r those , and an apple or something. 30-70 calories I didn't exactly track though so yeah, maybe that's it--overestimating how much I ate. Most of my friends don't really eat more than a couple snacks a day during school because we don't go out of our way to buy any, but because the company at which I interned had snacks and shit, I ate a lot over the summer.

On September 03 2016 09:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Dumb question but I've been using one of those ab crunch machines and have felt more sore than doing crunches/leg raises, are they better/as good? Could I just use those and not do traditional ab exercises? I don't work abs a lot anyways.

On September 04 2016 17:12 IgnE wrote:
Yooooooo a 123 lb 5'10" man who says he "eats a lot" just makes me facepalm. You're doing it wrong man.

On September 05 2016 22:04 Ehzera wrote:


First day of lifting close to 2 years ago and now. Was ~88kg at the start and since then my weight has gone to 80 and as high as 94 at May this year. Right pic is a few days ago, morning weight at 84kg.

Not sure whether to keep cutting to abs or start bulking? Really wanna move up to the u90 weight class soon

On September 06 2016 04:27 IgnE wrote:
You should be eating like 2000 calories of chicken and rice a day Aerisky on top of your snacks. Easy to digest. Easy to get 150g protein in. You need to be measuring this. At least a full pound of chicken for dinner with a huge plate of rice. Put whatever sauces on it that you want to make it palatable.