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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
On June 15 2015 20:46 Pandemona wrote: Greg you should be joining me on the England hype train  I haven't seen the Slovenia game. But there's no one good enough to get excited about England beating in our group. I guess the winning run is good. But they haven't really been tested. The Euro's propper will be a whole different affair. Are Wales and Northern Ireland really going to make it too? Since the seasons over and I haven't got any reason to insult Rafa Benítez right now I'll move over to laughing at Fabio Capello for a while. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Fkn Lewandowski ruined that the fucker. Welé injured so didn't play and Lewa got hat trick and is now on 7 goals  On June 15 2015 22:54 Greg_J wrote: I haven't seen the Slovenia game. But there's no one good enough to get excited about England beating in our group. I guess the winning run is good. But they haven't really been tested. The Euro's propper will be a whole different affair. Are Wales and Northern Ireland really going to make it too? Since the seasons over and I haven't got any reason to insult Rafa Benítez right now I'll move over to laughing at Fabio Capello for a while. Whilst i agree, Switzerland went to brazil 2014 and did "ok" and were ranked higher than England. Slovenia went to Euro 2012 and the World cup in South Africa. Also have beaten Italy in qualifiers. The rest of the group pretty straight forward but when you see the likes of Poland and Slovakia leading their groups you have to see England being 6 from 6 playing toughest two teams away from home and winning as good signs :D But mainly the hype train from me is because the fact we playing ok offensive football now unlike the usual. Ok lets make ourselves hard to beat and be defensive and go for counters. The intensity of the game last night was like a premier league game which will make us play to our potential more. The closing down we did from the first to last whistle was perfect. Do that every game and you give yourself a chance. Remember EURO 2016 has 24 teams in it this year up from 16 teams it has had since as long as i can remember. Meaning it will be easier for more teams to qualify, will also cause easier groups during the tournament in which top 3 will find themselves qualifying for RO16 lol. | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
I’d rather watch us lose 2:1 playing some decent football against a good team than just defending the whole game. I didn't realise there where more teams at the Euro's but that does make sense. I'm all in favour of more teams at big tournaments. Some people say it dilutes the talent and quality of the games but you still get the big games and having more smaller games earlier on doesn't detract from that. It's just more inclusive and fun for more nations. | ||
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
And as you spoke of it, the combination of the WWC and Euro qualifying have made me hate the 24 team format even more. Just look at the great quality/parity of the Copa America, I think out of six games only one went totally as expected. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 15 2015 23:31 sneirac wrote: How are you going to be a great irrational hype leader when you can't even ignore such trivial details... And as you spoke of it, the combination of the WWC and Euro qualifying have made me hate the 24 team format even more. Just look at the great quality/parity of the Copa America, I think out of six games only one went totally as expected. To be fair a bigger Euro means more decent games. There are alot of fringe teams that didnt always make it but were good value for a spot that will make it now. | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
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aseq
Netherlands3983 Posts
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lprk
Poland2249 Posts
On June 16 2015 00:58 Boucot wrote: Oh god, the new away jersey of Real Madrid is atrocious. https://twitter.com/11footballclub/status/610372561730465792 Imo they aren't great but unlike Barcelona kits they aren't bad. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
The main one I've seen several on the streets and subway, looks just awesome. The second one is a homage to all the people who tie the catalan flag to their back as in "Superman/Captain Catalonia". Looks decent. | ||
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
On June 16 2015 00:43 Rebs wrote: To be fair a bigger Euro means more decent games. There are alot of fringe teams that didnt always make it but were good value for a spot that will make it now. Or it means more mediocre games because the quality of the field is diminished. Keep in might that the same amount of teams that were participating 2012 will reach the knockout stages. Granted the possibility of a 10+ goal are very low, but Ireland still had no chance 2012. Add to that the increased wear and tear of another game increasing injuries and making the later stages worse. And it isn't like those fringe teams didn't have a chance to make it every tournament. The fringe teams you mention always had a chance to fight through qualification, it's not like in other confederations where they had to fight through 3 rounds before it. And the 24 team format is just an incredibly stupid system. It all boils down to money anyway. No real reason to expand the Euro other than more games, more tv money. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
On June 15 2015 23:08 Pandemona wrote: Fkn Lewandowski ruined that the fucker. Welé injured so didn't play and Lewa got hat trick and is now on 7 goals Whilst i agree, Switzerland went to brazil 2014 and did "ok" and were ranked higher than England. Slovenia went to Euro 2012 and the World cup in South Africa. Also have beaten Italy in qualifiers. The rest of the group pretty straight forward but when you see the likes of Poland and Slovakia leading their groups you have to see England being 6 from 6 playing toughest two teams away from home and winning as good signs :D But mainly the hype train from me is because the fact we playing ok offensive football now unlike the usual. Ok lets make ourselves hard to beat and be defensive and go for counters. The intensity of the game last night was like a premier league game which will make us play to our potential more. The closing down we did from the first to last whistle was perfect. Do that every game and you give yourself a chance. Remember EURO 2016 has 24 teams in it this year up from 16 teams it has had since as long as i can remember. Meaning it will be easier for more teams to qualify, will also cause easier groups during the tournament in which top 3 will find themselves qualifying for RO16 lol. Switzerland lost their most important member though: their coach | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 16 2015 01:15 sneirac wrote: Or it means more mediocre games because the quality of the field is diminished. Keep in might that the same amount of teams that were participating 2012 will reach the knockout stages. Granted the possibility of a 10+ goal are very low, but Ireland still had no chance 2012. Add to that the increased wear and tear of another game increasing injuries and making the later stages worse. And it isn't like those fringe teams didn't have a chance to make it every tournament. The fringe teams you mention always had a chance to fight through qualification, it's not like in other confederations where they had to fight through 3 rounds before it. And the 24 team format is just an incredibly stupid system. It all boils down to money anyway. No real reason to expand the Euro other than more games, more tv money. Well yes money is important. So is the fact that you want to be more inclusive. Heres the thing when you say they had a chance to qualify and couldnt. Thats kinda saying the same thing I am, they had a chance but with limited spots they missed out. If you only want to play teams that can win the tournament then really you can just have 8 teams then ? The world cup for example has stupid games. Even if there are no 10-0's there are plenty of games that are boring because the gulf in quality is huge and there is alot of bus parking. Except for Greece I cant remember any games at the Euro's that arent entertaining and I think these teams that didnt qualify before are still good enough to offer entertainment, and frankly thats what you care about from the event. Is the football of a level high enough that people will enjoy it. ? I genuinely believe there are 24 European teams that will offer you that. I dont see how there is more wear and tear ? One game wont kill you, honestly if your going to complain about scheduling and risk to player health there are plenty of better arguments then one extra knockout round. Come on, thats nitpicking. I dont think the quality of the games will be as diminshed as you are making it sound. I think most teams will be good value. Sure there might be the odd charity case in there but its not a terrible adjustment. More than 24 is to much but 24 to me is ok. Infact I wouldnt mind a 24 team world cup with more European teams (but thats not happening) | ||
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
With the 24 team argument there will still be teams that miss out on the second spot in their group by one point, get the hardest possible draw in the playoff and barely miss qualification. Following that argument you would then have to increase it to a 32 team field. And then 48.... I agree with you on the World Cup. Some of the qualification berths are hard to understand. However the bus parking you mention because of a gulf in quality will also become more likely if you increase the amount of teams in the Euro. The wear and tear of an extra game might be nitpicky compared to other issues, but it will affect the quality of play in the later playoff rounds. One more game to play in a very short time frame after a long season and one more chance to get injured, especially if playing against an inferior team that sees their chance in a physical style. I don't want to reduce the field further, and I think it is possible that the quality of games/tournament will be good or better with 24 teams, but I do think that for the amount European teams there are the 16 team tournament is perfect. There is a meaningful qualification that works. It could be polished, especially as it comes to the playoff draw at the end, but it usually enables the most deserving teams to qualify and has delivered entertaining tournaments. The games are usually great, the format is great. Why replace it with a less important qualification, a less important group stage and a mostly mismatched round of 16. | ||
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haitike
Spain2716 Posts
I like 16 for eurocup and 32 for worldcup. | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On June 16 2015 03:25 haitike wrote: With 24 the phase group is just useless. You play the Phase Group, remove only 8 teams and then you have 16 teams as in previous eurocups... I like 16 for eurocup and 32 for worldcup. Same. Mostly because I hate the "Best third" system. It's so dependent of the draw that it can be unfair. Top 2 make it, bottom 2 out. It's simple. | ||
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Copymizer
Denmark2094 Posts
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On June 16 2015 04:16 Copymizer wrote: Its good they expanded the eurocup because it shouldn't only be all about money and the best of the best like that, as with world cup it's should be a global party, because it brings a country together, the sensation the atmosphere, people are together, everything is different during the time of eurocup and worldcup, especially smaller countries like my own needs that feel of togetherness some times and that we matter even tho it's hard to stand a chance against the big countries, but that we can still come together and celebrate the team spirit is important for any country, especially during harder times. expanding the team pool is ALWAYS about money. more team = more games = more people watching = more money. | ||
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two_sheds
Croatia104 Posts
I'll try to make a subjective list of teams that are good enough to play on 16 teams Euro, based on their past results (10-15 years back) and their current roster: France, Czech Rep, Netherlands, Turkey, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Spain, Ukraine, Poland, Germany, England, Switzerland, Greece, Sweden, Russia, Croatia, Italy, Portugal, Denmark and Serbia. That's 20 teams, and aside from 6 or 7 tier 1 teams, I don't think any of the rest is much better or worse than the other. Next, we have teams that deserve go to France based on their current results in qualifiers: Iceland, Wales, Slovakia, Austria, Romania, Northern Ireland and Hungary. With those, we now have 27 teams altogether. Considering the form of Iceland, Wales, Slovakia and Austria, I think they could do as good as any of the above mentioned non-t1 teams, and they will be a nice addition on Euro. Romania, Northern Ireland and Hungary; well - if we need to call someone a big outsider, that might as well be those teams. But every major competition has couple of those, and sometimes they surprise everyone, that's the beauty of football, I guess. So, in the end, the average quality of the competition will be lower, but if we look at the average quality of teams that can challenge top tier ones, the drop in quality will be insignificant. | ||
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