EPTNBA Offseason 2014 - Page 35
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On July 12 2014 01:57 Holcan wrote: Please not klove, id rather they develop wiggins than accept mediocrity. Havent er learned, trading for stars sets organizations back, the only exception i can think of is KG, or possibly pau, as trades that actually thrust a team into contention. Plus wasnt one of the issues before was that they couldnt do anything in free agency? Wouldnt dumping wiggins for klove ultimately hinder their moves going forward? I dont know, how do you trade for a star player whose never made the playoffs? depends on what they'd have to give up for klove, if its wiggins + picks? doable i think. with klove lebron irving, i think they are easily contention status. again with love lebron irving (if they get all 3 signed to long term contracts) it'll be like with the heat, they'll have to fill roster spots with vets. honestly any team with 3 stars will go down this road, that's just the way it is with the cap. sure he's never made the playoffs. but its a team game, everyone wants to put the blame on love, but the wolves are in the west and they've never had a good team around him. 13-14 looked good, if pekovic didnt miss so many games i think they may have had a shot. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Ethelis
United States2397 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On July 12 2014 02:19 zev318 wrote: depends on what they'd have to give up for klove, if its wiggins + picks? doable i think. with klove lebron irving, i think they are easily contention status. again with love lebron irving (if they get all 3 signed to long term contracts) it'll be like with the heat, they'll have to fill roster spots with vets. honestly any team with 3 stars will go down this road, that's just the way it is with the cap. sure he's never made the playoffs. but its a team game, everyone wants to put the blame on love, but the wolves are in the west and they've never had a good team around him. 13-14 looked good, if pekovic didnt miss so many games i think they may have had a shot. See, I dont think Irving/James/Love is anywhere equal to Wade/James/Bosh. One of these lineups has elite defense, the other line-up contains Irving and Love. Thats not to say they can't get to the chip with these players, the East is a cakewalk to get there compared to the West. I am just saying (in my opinion) their best chance to secure a chip isn't through trading Wiggins for Love. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but even if Houston could clear Asik and Lin and Parsons, right this very second, they're at 17ish mil in cap space. Bosh's max is over 20mil. | ||
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
On July 12 2014 01:53 Xeris wrote: i feel so bad for Wade. Bosh is going to leave, LeBrone left, and Wade is sitting there looking like a complete retard opting out of 40 million to sacrifice to re-build a better contender in Miami with his bros. Now he has nothing. The Heat have tons of cap space and no ability to build a top notch team, they've traded a bunch of draft picks to build the team, and now Wade is unlikely to recoup the money he just gave up. LeBron's message and his goal is noble, but at the same time, he completely fucked over Miami in the process. Mixed feelings. His letter basically said, I left Cleveland because I wanted to go get some easy rings with my bros in Miami, and now that I've accomplished my personal goal, I'll come back to Cleveland and help them win. Seems fucked up Without Lebron, Wade would only have 1 ring. He did what he needed to do in Miami, and now he wants to go back Cleveland because he feels his legacy will not be complete without him winning a championship for them. Yes it didn't all go well for Wade, but it's not like he got nothing accomplished. Doesn't matter how many more rings James wins in Miami, because the Heat will always be Wade's team. | ||
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Ultimo Hombre
Australia1436 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
plus the whole salary thing they'll have far less room to sign solid role players. cavs are not good at developing minimum players | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On July 12 2014 02:11 Holcan wrote: He wants out of minne, which is never a good tradr for the team taking the player who wants out. Deron williams, melo...both utah and denver got the better half of those trades. What exactly have Utah and Denver done with their "hauls?" What are the Magic going to do? They're going to be bad-okay-decent. Never a contender for a title. You grab superduper players when you can because they are superduper and scarce. If you flame out with Deron Williams or marginally contend with Carmelo, who cares? You take the shot because you can never pass on the opportunity to get Chris Paul or James Harden or Dwight Howard. Top 15 players are exactly that. There are only 15 of them. Now, if you think Kevin Love is not good and Andrew Wiggins is better, than that's fine. That's a player assessment. But if you are convinced that a star can get got, you go get him. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On July 12 2014 03:01 slyboogie wrote: What exactly have Utah and Denver done with their "hauls?" What are the Magic going to do? They're going to be bad-okay-decent. Never a contender for a title. You grab superduper players when you can because they are superduper and scarce. If you flame out with Deron Williams or marginally contend with Carmelo, who cares? You take the shot because you can never pass on the opportunity to get Chris Paul or James Harden or Dwight Howard. Top 15 players are exactly that. There are only 15 of them. Now, if you think Kevin Love is not good and Andrew Wiggins is better, than that's fine. That's a player assessment. But if you are convinced that a star can get got, you go get him. Also, Wiggins is good but the Cavs have a ton of picks for next year's draft which is pretty loaded. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
That being said, I do not think Kevin Love is a top 15 players, or a cornerstone player, outside of being white and marketable. i do think he is better than Wiggins, however the 12m+ difference in paychecks is what makes me think Love isn't worth it. Id rather have the extra cap space to find some solid role players, because if anyone in the league has proven they can make role players excel, its Lebron James. They also already have varejao, are they really going to go all in on two players with a combined vertical of 2 inches? We saw how well that worked for Minne last year. | ||
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SwARmZzz
Canada193 Posts
The article uses advanced metrics to predict these things, and is not a hundred percent reliable, but was an interesting read. Source: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/what-cleveland-would-look-like-with-lebron-james-and-kevin-love/ | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
anyway it is hilarious how lebron tried to fuck espn by exclusively releasing this story to SI. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On July 12 2014 03:06 Holcan wrote: Exactly, all 4 teams in those trades are mediocre, at best. Why involve yourself with mediocrity? That being said, I do not think Kevin Love is a top 15 players, or a cornerstone player, outside of being white and marketable. i do think he is better than Wiggins, however the 12m+ difference in paychecks is what makes me think Love isn't worth it. Id rather have the extra cap space to find some solid role players, because if anyone in the league has proven they can make role players excel, its Lebron James. Well, then I'm confused. If you're speaking from the perspective of the Wolves and you don't think Kein Love is a top-15 player, wouldn't you be jumping at the chance to deal him for the 1st overall pick and give yourself cap relief? Or are you talking from the perspective of the Cavaliers and you think Andrew Wiggins + the MLE is better than Kevin Love? Because I believe, with Lebron's maxed out, the Cavaliers are pretty close to the salary cap. Wiggins plus the apron will let them fit a big contract, otherwise, I think they just have the MLE (could be wrong, have to check.) | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
If I'm the Cavs GM, I dont trade for a player who wants out of his situation, I wait until he goes into free agency and offer him a contract below his market value promising him playoffs and the ability to play with Lebron James. If I am the Cavs owner, I tell my GM to do whatever he has to do to keep Lebron happy and competitive. | ||
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