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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On March 13 2014 21:50 AgentW wrote: Question for all: how stupid is the Lions brass? They have no money and then overpay Golden Tate? They've had a horrible record of drafting a receiver to play opposite him [megatron]. This is most likely better than the money they were throwing at Burleson the last few years... Their O should be pretty much set now and they can focus on D / talent in the draft. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32130 Posts
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DannyJ
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
On March 14 2014 13:04 Jaaaaasper wrote: Pats have either signed or are very close to singing browner as well. I need to change my pants. Or maybe he isn't close at all. Its three guys media people with three different opinions, so I'll mention all of them. And another vote for him signing tomorrow. I have no idea whats going on at this point, but I am excited. NFL.com confirms the signing, 3 year $17 million contract | ||
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QuanticHawk
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Jaaaaasper
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On March 15 2014 11:23 Jaaaaasper wrote: Best corner and safety in the league with two strong number 2 corners and possibly the best young corner to come out of last years draft. I am excited. Those PFF rankings lmao | ||
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Jaaaaasper
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Irave
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Jaaaaasper
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QuanticHawk
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On March 15 2014 13:34 QuanticHawk wrote: I like mccourty but was he really that good?? Yes twice as good. Always value the Safety better at stopping the run higher than the one who forces turnovers. Its a top priority for Safeties. Three times better than Kam. These deserve to be taken very seriously. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
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Irave
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FatChicksUnited
Canada214 Posts
On March 15 2014 16:18 Irave wrote: No, he is ranked 9th. My only issue is trying to figure out how a ranking that is fairly legit can show numbers like they are. They have McCourty as an 18.7 overall, Thomas 7.5. When Thomas has equally if not more impressive numbers. There isn't a need for me to praise Thomas, when he is already considered way up there. It's only curiosity at how they ranked things for their to be such a gap. Its larger than the one between Jimmy Graham and some guy named John Carlson. PFF's rating system is a haphazard mix of subjective and objective. I wouldn't use "fairly legit" to describe them. They derive their scores by grading each player on every play on a scale from -2.0 to 2.0 using criteria only known to them, and then sum up those play grades to arrive at a final player grade. Players' actual stats only have a vague correlation with their overall PFF grades. They claim to be objective in their grading, but we don't have any way to verify that as they do not provide their play by play grades. There are many potential accuracy issues with their grades such as grader subjectivity and accuracy, knowledge of players' assignments, and other more subtle issues such as scheme, injury, and even teammate skill, and we cannot judge the extent to which these issues affect players' scores because PFF doesn't release their grading system nor play by play grades. Looking at a list of their positional grades and sorting them from highest to lowest will not tell you whether player A is the 5th best cornerback in the NFL, or whether player B is better than player C who is a few ranks below him, just as sorting a list of defensive ends by sack total will not give you a solid way to compare pass rushers. The most you can glean from their grades is that players who show up with higher scores are likelier to be strong players, and players who show up with lower scores are likelier to be weaker players, and a really high score gap between two players might highlight a skill differential if you can eliminate potential accuracy issues. I used a lot of qualifiers in the previous sentence because despite PFF's liberal use of numbers, their deliverable product is actually very very fuzzy. The issues in using PFF ratings to directly compare two players is even acknowledged and analyzed by PFF in some of their articles. Speaking to McCourty vs Thomas specifically, if you look at Thomas's stats, he has quite a few more missed tackles than McCourty, who is known to be a fairly solid tackler; these missed tackles will negate Thomas's advantage in interceptions. McCourty also has quite a few more passes defensed. McCourty's grade also benefits from NE's scheme where the two safeties are somewhat interchangeable, so his rating gets boosted by his positive run support total, whereas the Hawks let Thomas stay far back single high while Kam Chancellor plays up like a linebacker. Obviously, both guys are great safeties. But comparing their PFF ratings doesn't tell you much. Another example mentioned earlier in the thread is Talib. He ranks 58(?) out of all cornerbacks graded. How do you reconcile his low PFF grade and ranking with his free agency desirability and reputation as a top corner in the league? Well, NE played him almost like Revis. Talib took the other team's top guy and followed him around almost all game. Facing the best of the other team game after game, he looked fantastic in the first half of the year, but quite ordinary in the latter half. His injury issues in the second half of the season didn't help either, and he has prominent tilt issues (ice up, son!). His PFF grade suffered. But he's one of the few guys in the league who is even good enough to consider using that way, and that's why he's making $12 million with Denver next year. *edit* In PFF's defense, over the years their player ratings have highlighted a few "hidden superstars" (and "hidden bums") who later turned out to be truly good (bad) players , so I believe their work actually has quite a bit of merit. It's just not greatly useful for some of the things that people most like to use them for, i.e. ranking players and comparing players. | ||
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Irave
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LeeDawg
United States1306 Posts
On March 15 2014 14:11 Irave wrote: Yes twice as good. Always value the Safety better at stopping the run higher than the one who forces turnovers. Its a top priority for Safeties. Three times better than Kam. These deserve to be taken very seriously. Stopping the run is more important than turnovers in the pass first NFL? yes having a good run defense is important, but not many teams run to set up the pass anymore. It's the other way around now... | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On March 15 2014 17:28 LeeDawg wrote: Stopping the run is more important than turnovers in the pass first NFL? yes having a good run defense is important, but not many teams run to set up the pass anymore. It's the other way around now... I was just being sarcastic. The poor run defense is what cost Thomas a fair share of points. | ||
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