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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On January 24 2015 14:03 Shellshock wrote: I saw another thing about how neither team is starting a guy who was rated a 5 star recruit going into college trying to say how little those ratings matter down the line Even the dudes who do the high school scouting know they kind of don't matter, or are at the least very volatile. Not that they won't keep doing it because business is good, but prognosticating high school talent forward a few years is hardly a perfect science. I mean, that shouldn't be a shocker since even after years of college athletics, the NFL draft is still super hit or miss itself, and you have far more to evaluate for that. | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
EDIT: I count at least 3 Big East guys on there. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On January 24 2015 14:09 AgentW wrote: That graphic is a bit misleading. I feel like they should be allotted based on the conference each team was in at the time the player was there. Revis didn't play in the ACC lol. EDIT: I count at least 3 Big East guys on there. Well there's 1 player from Rutgers, Miami, WVU, VT, Pitt and Syracuse. I don't care to check which year each is from though. | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On January 24 2015 14:29 red_ wrote: Well there's 1 player from Rutgers, Miami, WVU, VT, Pitt and Syracuse. I don't care to check which year each is from though. Yeah you can throw out Chancellor from VT. Wilfork was old BE, and the rest definitely were. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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usedtocare
United States243 Posts
On January 25 2015 05:29 cLutZ wrote: LOL, the Pats just tried to pull out the "cold deflates things" defense on TV. Some media appear to thing they are correct...which is disturbing. "Tried". Yeah they try so hard. I know you believe it. Just saying random shit doesn't somehow make your opinion valid. We will have to see what NFL comes up with. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32130 Posts
On January 24 2015 14:03 Shellshock wrote: I saw another thing about how neither team is starting a guy who was rated a 5 star recruit going into college trying to say how little those ratings matter down the line isn't that just projections to the college level and that's it? There' a lot of guys who might be 5 star college recruits but nobodies in the nfl for various reasons | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On January 25 2015 05:34 usedtocare wrote: "Tried". Yeah they try so hard. I know you believe it. Just saying random shit doesn't somehow make your opinion valid. We will have to see what NFL comes up with. Some of you Pats fans are getting so fucking dumb with your try hard excuses. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-Lussac's_law Apply the formula and see if you get 2 PSI from the cold. Unlike you, some of us actually have at least a high school education. | ||
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usedtocare
United States243 Posts
On January 25 2015 06:17 andrewlt wrote: Some of you Pats fans are getting so fucking dumb with your try hard excuses. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-Lussac's_law Apply the formula and see if you get 2 PSI from the cold. Unlike you, some of us actually have at least a high school education. I'm near damn sure someone with your lvl of intellect wouldn't even know what to do with that info. What a tool. Have you even read what you quoted? It explains it precisely. Way to shit in your own trousers. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
On January 25 2015 06:30 usedtocare wrote: I'm near damn sure someone with your lvl of intellect wouldn't even know what to do with that info. What a tool. Have you even read what you quoted? It explains it precisely. Way to shit in your own trousers. a hypothesis is considered scientifically true (well, unfalsifiable, more accurately), if it can be confirmed multiple times experimentally. you drop the chemical into the beaker and get a kaboom. not a sizzle, or a spark, a kaboom. multiple times. your hypothesis is very probably correct! you get a kaboom, then a sizzle, then a spark, there's something wrong somewhere. now we have a unique situation here when it comes to experimentation. we have two test groups, pats balls and colts balls. both were subjected to precisely the same conditions in precisely the same location for precisely the same amount of time. (this is something science can't do most of the time when trying to recreate original conditions precisely). all balls were checked at both halftime and after the game was over. patriots balls were deflated. colts balls maintained their pressure. so we have an experiment, so to speak, in conditions that cannot be matched by a laboratory (impossible to perfectly recreate the air temperature, pressure, humidity, wind speed and directions etc.), whose results were not repeated. in other words, if the atmosphere caused the pats balls to deflate, the colts balls should have by at least a similar amount. they didn't. the difference in air pressure between the two sets of balls was quite marked. the experiments did not yield similar results. thus, the hypothesis that the drop in PSI is mostly or wholly attributable to the weather is either wrong, or there are unknown factors that need to be discovered and taken into account in order to explain why the colts balled handled the drop from 70 degrees to 49 just fine, and the patriots balls did not. | ||
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usedtocare
United States243 Posts
On January 25 2015 06:41 DeepElemBlues wrote: a hypothesis is considered scientifically true (well, unfalsifiable, more accurately), if it can be confirmed multiple times experimentally. you drop the chemical into the beaker and get a kaboom. not a sizzle, or a spark, a kaboom. multiple times. your hypothesis is very probably correct! you get a kaboom, then a sizzle, then a spark, there's something wrong somewhere. now we have a unique situation here when it comes to experimentation. we have two test groups, pats balls and colts balls. both were subjected to precisely the same conditions in precisely the same location for precisely the same amount of time. (this is something science can't do most of the time when trying to recreate original conditions precisely). all balls were checked at both halftime and after the game was over. patriots balls were deflated. colts balls maintained their pressure. so we have an experiment, so to speak, in conditions that cannot be matched by a laboratory (impossible to perfectly recreate the air temperature, pressure, humidity, wind speed and directions etc.), whose results were not repeated. in other words, if the atmosphere caused the pats balls to deflate, the colts balls should have by at least a similar amount. they didn't. the difference in air pressure between the two sets of balls was quite marked. the experiments did not yield similar results. thus, the hypothesis that the drop in PSI is mostly or wholly attributable to the weather is either wrong, or there are unknown factors that need to be discovered and taken into account in order to explain why the colts balled handled the drop from 70 degrees to 49 just fine, and the patriots balls did not. Your last paragraph really is the only question that needs to be asked. We don't know neither the initial inflation parameters for either teams, nor the exact PSI difference (reports range from 1 to 2, still mostly speculation) What Belichik just said about them conducting an actual experiment (closest to what you tried to describe in your post out of all the bs circulating on media) - there were significant differences in ball pressure. If you are doubting what he just said then i cant help - I'm sure they wouldn't talk out of their ass here and everything was documented and can be confirmed | ||
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On January 25 2015 06:30 usedtocare wrote: I'm near damn sure someone with your lvl of intellect wouldn't even know what to do with that info. What a tool. Have you even read what you quoted? It explains it precisely. Way to shit in your own trousers. Both of you cool it please. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23848 Posts
They could of put abnormally hot air (more than a warm room) which would cause a larger loss of PSI without technically "cheating"? Saying things like "We followed every rule" screams "We did something underhanded and devious but there was no specific rule against it" to me at least. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On January 25 2015 06:41 DeepElemBlues wrote: You are completely overlooking that there is no reason to believe that the Colts' footballs were subject to the same initial conditions as the Patriots'. By the rules, they could have been inflated a full PSI more to begin with. Furthermore, they may not have undergone the same breaking-in procedure as the Patriots' or may not have undergone them at the same time. In his last press conference, Belichick attested that the breaking-in procedure results in a temporary increase of around 1 PSI (which means that if they were officially weighed shortly after being broken, their pressure would have subsequently gone down). Together, these points can entirely account for the observed difference.a hypothesis is considered scientifically true (well, unfalsifiable, more accurately), if it can be confirmed multiple times experimentally. you drop the chemical into the beaker and get a kaboom. not a sizzle, or a spark, a kaboom. multiple times. your hypothesis is very probably correct! you get a kaboom, then a sizzle, then a spark, there's something wrong somewhere. now we have a unique situation here when it comes to experimentation. we have two test groups, pats balls and colts balls. both were subjected to precisely the same conditions in precisely the same location for precisely the same amount of time. (this is something science can't do most of the time when trying to recreate original conditions precisely). all balls were checked at both halftime and after the game was over. patriots balls were deflated. colts balls maintained their pressure. so we have an experiment, so to speak, in conditions that cannot be matched by a laboratory (impossible to perfectly recreate the air temperature, pressure, humidity, wind speed and directions etc.), whose results were not repeated. in other words, if the atmosphere caused the pats balls to deflate, the colts balls should have by at least a similar amount. they didn't. the difference in air pressure between the two sets of balls was quite marked. the experiments did not yield similar results. thus, the hypothesis that the drop in PSI is mostly or wholly attributable to the weather is either wrong, or there are unknown factors that need to be discovered and taken into account in order to explain why the colts balled handled the drop from 70 degrees to 49 just fine, and the patriots balls did not. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23848 Posts
On January 25 2015 18:02 cLutZ wrote: Lynch is really confusing to me. He must have some money stream I don't know about, or is super thrifty, because I can't imagine 5 minutes of being an ass to reporters being worth 1% of my salary. For me that is like Christmas gifts for everyone but my girlfriend. He's not being an ass. He has severe anxiety. I can't understand it myself considering his job but when you watch the interviews it's pretty clear he's incredibly uncomfortable. The guy is about to cry. If people watched more than the snippits and actually payed attention it would be pretty obvious. They should really figure out how to help him instead of just fining him... | ||
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